Newbie 1381 Oakhaven is Overrun Game Over

[Tamuz]

Wow! Great detail there TIP!
Way to take really take a stance on everyone and provide solid explanations. I loved the part where you didn't mention any non-sequitors and other games and really hammered down details. That was a great and informative post!

To details. You and jmo is TvT. You and I are TvT. N64 feels town and Gen_Wolf has been downgraded to null.

Boy, you stuck your neck out and said something with that post.

Die cis scum.

[TheIrishPope]

you won't find it here sam i am
seriously see my scumgames
Then vote me Tamuz

[jmo16mla]

Tamuz, who is popes partner?

[Nobody Special]

Votecount 3.03

TheIrishPope - 1 - jmo16mla

Not Voting: Tamuz, N64Lord, TheIrishPope, Gen_Wolf

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2013-07-28 04:13:05)

[TheIrishPope]

Scum haven't hammered? huh
Who's around?

[TheIrishPope]

Fuck...
I'm the BP
LyLo and all, I'm claiming because I got myself in the shittiest position ever

[jmo16mla]

And the reason you didn't claim earlier?

[TheIrishPope]

Didn't feel it was necessary given the circumstances... Kind of fucked up my first BP game...

[TheIrishPope]

You will see there is no counterclaim, so you can wait until the remaining people talk (Tamuz, N64, and Gen) and then please please please lynch scum?

[N64Lord]

There is no counterclaim, but BP may or may not even be in the game, moreover, knowing there is only 1 BP, you could have clamied early d3 , and led the scumhunting, even if you were unsure of your reads, discussion usually helps, you know. Instead you spend a long twilight and then a d3 throwing out generalities, and trying to get people to understand your policy lynch. My other concern was that you were working fairly openly to buddy JMO, who's 3 vote would allow you to end the game.

Finally the concern about quickhammering, in a game where all players have a degree of neutral behavior, would only be an isue if scum expected town to act randomly, forcing a situation where all 3 town would have to vote before the scum laid their votes, but painting that as anti-town behavior. VOTE: TheIrishPope

[jmo16mla]

UNVOTE:

[Gen_Wolf]

Gen, you seemed to have missed this.

So my question for you gen, what over the last four pages, makes me and/or tip scum?

Sorry I did miss it:

It does include the way you have played over the last 4 pages but in particular it is how you have played the hole game that makes you scummy.


Also, what made you vote me when I was voting for TIP?

You will see there is no counterclaim, so you can wait until the remaining people talk (Tamuz, N64, and Gen) and then please please please lynch scum?

Guys, at some point we are going to have to lynch, I hate losing so I hope you are right but I think Tamuz has the most compelling case. I am willing to vote TiP today, lets hope you right.

It is a little bit of an omgus, heres for trying to bus me Pope, but sorry,

this bus is full, muddafuka

Lets bite this bullet

vote: Irish

[TheIrishPope]

N64 and Gen team? Sounds plausible with the timespan and the fact that Gen voted despite jmo's unvote
Huh
ISOing both of you, especially N64 which is policy lynching after telling me that it was bad

[Tamuz]

quickpost if I'm racing the lock. jmo, who I'd think his partner is?

With his previous day I would imagine that the bus is the way to go. Limp on if there is any suspicion on TIP, then go hard once it looks like that is where the lynch will be. This is all conditional mental gymnastics, but the way N64 came onto TIP matches what I think would happen.

[Tamuz]

Longer post, I see now that wasn't lynch:

1. If TIP is town I am not scum. This is now proven.

You will see there is no counterclaim, so you can wait until the remaining people talk (Tamuz, N64, and Gen) and then please please please lynch scum?

Unfortunately your claim means nothing. If you were mafia you would know BP is safe to claim. This claim amounts to VT.

VOTE: UNVOTE:

Didn't see this at first glance, so now this gets interesting. Are you not ok with TIP being lynch jmo, or are you not ok with him being lynched yet?
Could you explain whichever one you answer?

Finally the concern about quickhammering, in a game where all players have a degree of neutral behavior, would only be an isue if scum expected town to act randomly, forcing a situation where all 3 town would have to vote before the scum laid their votes, but painting that as anti-town behavior.

I'm afraid I don't understand what you are saying here. What is the situation where all 3 town have to vote before the scum vote? Quickhammer only needs one towny vote on another town. Could you rephrase this for me?

Guys, at some point we are going to have to lynch, I hate losing so I hope you are right but I think Tamuz has the most compelling case. I am willing to vote TiP today, lets hope you right.

What? You hope TIP is right about his claim?
This sits really terribly.

It is a little bit of an omgus, heres for trying to bus me Pope, but sorry,

this bus is full, muddafuka

This sits even worse.

[N64Lord]

Oh come on tamuz, bushammer on your scumbuddy, it was pretty clear that you were goading town with your "ready to vote TIP" at the end of you ISO on him. Honsetly I expected you to provide a mini ISO on talah to bolster your n64loord as scum pitch. Maybe the thought of having to go through another 46 post long twilight of one liners is gettting to you?

[Tamuz]

Now

that post

is goading. Jmo unvoted for a reason. I would like to hear his thoughts.

Are we already posturing for tomorrow N64Lord? If so, then it looks like TIP is scum.

Could you sum up my N64Lord as scum pitch? If its just the , 'I think TIP's partner is someone weakly bussing him' in 913, thats pretty silly.

Could you rephrase your bit that I quoted in 914?

[jmo16mla]

I unvoted
1. Gives us more time to discuss
2. N64 voted him, putting TIP at L-1 leaving the remaining scum, if indeed TIP is town, to hammer.
3. We get to see everyone's reaction to my unvote.

I just want to say, that if TIP is town, I'm confirmed town, so is tamuz. Of course we don't know that TIP is town, he could be my or tamuz's scum partner.

[Tamuz]

To flesh out completely the things that sit terribly, replacing pronouns and references:

Guys, at some point we are going to have to lynch, I hate losing so I hope [TIP is] right (about his alignment) but I think Tamuz has the most compelling case (against TIP). I am willing to vote TIP today, lets hope (Tamuz ?) is right.

There is a direct contradiction here. You can't have both hopes and be consistent. Maybe I'm resolving pronouns poorly, but there is direct contradiction here.

It is a little bit of an omgus, heres for trying to bus me Pope, but sorry

This obviously just bothers me because bussing is only scum on scum.
If Gen is explicitly stating that Pope tried that says:
1. Pope is scum
2. Gen is scum
3. Pope tried to lynch Gen to improve his towncred

Thats wonky as shit.

[jmo16mla]

Mind fuck. Gen, you still never answered my questions.

[jmo16mla]

Mk. To add to the above post. Either both scum are on the wagon right now.
One scum is BEING waggoned and the other is voting him.
One scum is being waggoned, and the other scum is not voting him.

I still want to go with TIP an gen scum team. The whole game sets them up as scum together. Gen was dropping town tells, or what I thought could have been town tells earlier. But he has since ignored my questions multiple times. Leading me to believe that he isn't actually reading the game(scum) and is just posting about current discussion.

[Tamuz]

jmo. I do not think you are scum.
If you don't think I am scum, I think the better play is to lynch from [Gen_wolf, N64] today. I can go through the whole reasoning, but you should be able to work through the logic, given our conditionally innocence.

It is awful annoying that there is a post flurry that spawns questions and then nobody answers any of them or tries to introduce new thoughts (outside of we two) here, but what can you do.

I would like to hear Gen answer the questions pointed to him. I would like N64 to rephrase the thing I don't understand... or at least make an effort to make me understand it. I'd also like TIP to tell me who he thinks the two scum are and at least 2 sentences per person of why.

If I'm lucky I get 1/3, but they'd all be nice.


(of course there is always a possibility that TIP is town and jmo or I are mafia and we're just being cocky assholes, but I shudder to think anyone believes this.)

[TheIrishPope]

If there are any questions directed at me, I'd gladly take them.
lol at the two sentences.
N64: His whole slot has been controversial. I feel he is scum because he is non-committed and wants to lynch everything in his way. Town would be more conservative and careful.
Gen: His coordinated attack to lynch me with N64 makes perfect sense. Admits that this vote is OMGUS (which I see as scummy). Then throws the word "bus" around. Say what now?
You two are not scum. Tamuz, you would be flailing more. jmo, you would be frustrated differently.

[Gen_Wolf]

Mk. To add to the above post. Either both scum are on the wagon right now.
One scum is BEING waggoned and the other is voting him.
One scum is being waggoned, and the other scum is not voting him.

I still want to go with TIP an gen scum team. The whole game sets them up as scum together. Gen was dropping town tells, or what I thought could have been town tells earlier. But he has since ignored my questions multiple times. Leading me to believe that he isn't actually reading the game(scum) and is just posting about current discussion.

Sorry roadtripped yesterday then was drunk last night, will go back and look over it.

for now

unvote

[jmo16mla]

Why dd you unvote if he was in no danger of being quick hammered? Do you think TIP is now town?