Newbie 1391 - Game Over - FINALLY!!!

[Gen_Wolf]

ive changed my mind

vote stubbs

this looks very much an omgus vote but it isnt. His 'connecting the dots' are very far fetched. Anta would not have been dumb enough to call his scum buddy the only town read he had. He was obvz trying to buddy me. If you guysstill feel I am scum vote me but when I flip town and I promise I will please lynch stubbs

[StubbsKVM]

Strange how you didn't comment on the connection with antagon until now.

"It looks like an omgus but it isn't"
"I promise I'll flip town"

Just look bad to me.

I can only find connections between Antagon and you, so I see no reason not to follow up on it.

[Gen_Wolf]

and when i flip town, then who?

[StubbsKVM]

Only feel it and champ left.

Ms S is obvtown
Generic as well. I also don't think he would vote me if he was scum, he could have easily joined the wagon on you.
Nacho also town I think

The lack of nightkills bothers me though. Maybe we're just so far off, that they aren't making any kills.

Can you give me your reads too?

[Miss Stranger]

I agree with champinoman. Nacho dooby doo, where are you? We need your help right now.

[Miss Stranger]

We can give reasons and justifying for and against mass claim all we want right now, it doesn't really move the game forward.

@Gen_Wolf:

I still don't understand why Stubbs is so obviously scummy, can you please quote and bold his scumtells? Not liking "when I flip town, then who?" That's exactly how Nacho tried to stall his lynch (as scum) in one of his games I looked at (Newbie 1344, Day 2).

If right now the scum is someone like Nacho or god forbid Generic, he must be laughing himself apart at this moment. ;_;

[champinoman]

If right now the scum is someone like Nacho or god forbid Generic, he must be laughing himself apart at this moment. ;_;

I agree with the Generic comment, but am not sure why everyone has Nacho listed as town. I have asked people to elaborate on this numerous times but nobody has answered it. He is getting a free ride at the moment and I want to know why.

[Miss Stranger]

I think he's still riding his fame train from his last posts from Day 1. I must admit it's been dissipating for me for a while and I'm leaning back towards my null read.

[Miss Stranger]

Then again, he sings up for like half the ongoing games, so no wonder. Also he's V/LA until 18th and prompted us not to do anything stupid. I'd say we can re-evaluate former reads, but there really isn't much new information because of the damn lack of nightkills.

Spoiler: Meaningless speculation

Albeit, I don't think Jailkeeper has roleblocked the same person twice, otherwise they'd be adamant in lynching that person right now, no?

But seriously, without new information, this might as well be Day 2 with 6 townies and 1 scum. Something needs to happen.

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

Vote Count 3.2

Gen_Wolf - 2 (champinoman, StubbsKVM)
StubbsKVM - 2 (Generic, Gen_Wolf)

Not Voting - 3 (Feel It, Miss Stranger, Nachomamma8)

4 to Lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2013-07-26 07:00:00)

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[champinoman]

Then again, he sings up for like half the ongoing games, so no wonder. Also he's V/LA until 18th and prompted us not to do anything stupid. I'd say we can re-evaluate former reads, but there really isn't much new information because of the damn lack of nightkills.

His actions have been the same in both days so far. He lurks and provides very minimal content at first. And then he does 1 big analysis towards the end of the day to show us how keen he is to scum hunt. This is why I was asking for his opinion early in this day. If he is town then I think it is worthwhile getting his opinion out in the open so that we can be more informed. He is the most experienced after all so his lack of involvement is just hurting us.

And to add my voice to your 'meaningless speculation';

Spoiler: Meaningless speculation

Albeit, I don't think Jailkeeper has roleblocked the same person twice, otherwise they'd be adamant in lynching that person right now, no?

Refer to my post 446 regarding thoughts on this matter. I think that if it was me and there was no kill on the first night I would almost certainly pick the same person again. I'm not sure I'd be adamant on getting the person lynched in day 3 though (in result of another no kill at night) because there are still other possibilities such as the scum no-killing, the involvement of a bulletproof or even the mafia just targeting the same person twice. I'd certainly have them on my radar though, re-analysing their play over the last 2 days and trying to get them talking to provide additional information to work on before revealing yourself to everyone.

And after all that is said, there might not even be a jailkeeper in the game. A doc could provide us with the same scenario right now.

[Miss Stranger]

Exactly, champino, which is why I called it meaningless speculation and which is why I pushed for mass claim for actual information. But, perhaps you're right.

@Gen_Wolf, Generic:

Repeating my request. Can you quote and bold Stubb's scumtells? I somehow don't like his lynch, to be honest. Call it a gut feeling.

[Feel It]

My main reasoning for Nacho being town is the Antagon vote, and the odds of both the main wagons on day 1 being scum are pretty low. It's certainly not impossible for him to be scum, but I'd say he's one of the less likely players. If he is nice distancing Antagon lol

[Generic]

To be honest my vote on stubbs was reaction testing, he has been fine, he was even the first to refuse the mass claim idea as he stated.

I still like the idea of a mass claim, but champion made some good points of concern, and stubbs simply wasn't happy to do it.

unvote

But gen wolf you were opportunistic there. Im not flip flopping votes at this stage but you are a prime candidate for my vote right now.


And back to the nacho discussion. Champ, you make a good point about a late analysis post, its not well placed at the end when we have already got a lynch choice in sight. He is most definitely one I gave a clearance to based purely on seeming to be an active scum hunter.

He was late to the antagon vote... hmmm...

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

Gen_Wolf has requested replacement.

[StubbsKVM]

wolf?
I wouldn't want to Replace that slot.

[StubbsKVM]

Is replacing out a scumtell in this case?

[Feel It]

He's still posting in another game, so, kinda yeah.

[champinoman]

Gen has requested replacement.

Can we get confirmation on who this is; Gen_Wolf or Generic?

Gen_Wolf, edited in original post, sorry.

-Vel

[Generic]

If you guys want we can lynch him, as it is this game is getting disjointed...

[StubbsKVM]

My vote has been cast.

[champinoman]

I think I agree with the lynch. However I want a chance to review everything first.

And aside from that; I want to hear from Nacho before this day ends.

[Miss Stranger]

What the hell, Gen_Wolf? Replacing out here but not in your 2 other games, one of which started on 8 July?



VOTE: Gen_Wolf

THIS IS L-1!!

Nacho's V/LA ends today.

[Generic]

I will hammer, just putting that out there for intent.

Nacho you need to post before we end the day, I'm happy to wait as long as necessary for a full remaining players breakdown.

[Nachomamma8]

We may be facing a mass claim requirement on day 4 if we aren't right today. In fact I would want one today, because I think it would narrow things down further for reasons I will hold back right now.

It completely depends on the setup. Cop should claim but JK/Tracker claiming in a situation where there are possible/probable no kills is a little more dicey. I personally think that we have a very large margin of error (scum has to get three full mislynches and have kills go through) so massclaiming isn't really needed at all; PRs should be claiming when they have relevant information, but until then, it's useless.

Nacho: Other than saying you are interested in me you haven't shared your opinion on who you think is most likely to be scum since day 1. Care to share your thoughts?

Actually right now I'm thinking we're looking at something more like Feel It ---> you with an outside chance of Gen_Wolf/Generic, even.

I'm neutral towards it, if the majority wants it I'll claim.

Didn't you already claim?

Anta would not have been dumb enough to call his scum buddy the only town read he had. He was obvz trying to buddy me. If you guysstill feel I am scum vote me but when I flip town and I promise I will please lynch stubbs

I wish that I knew why he suddenly was so adamant in Stubbs being town, but the timing was horrible considering he was just posturing to vote me. OMGUSing so blatant about it and being transparent as hell about it seemed like a fairly strong towntell though, simply because that sort of dancing isn't the type scum want to do when they are the last left, not to mention Stubbs is an odd choice for Gen to pull out a 1v1 against considering Stubbs is considered as far more town than Gen.

His actions have been the same in both days so far. He lurks and provides very minimal content at first. And then he does 1 big analysis towards the end of the day to show us how keen he is to scum hunt. This is why I was asking for his opinion early in this day. If he is town then I think it is worthwhile getting his opinion out in the open so that we can be more informed. He is the most experienced after all so his lack of involvement is just hurting us.

I end up doing one big analysis towards the end of the day because everything is said and done at the end of the day and I have time on my hands.

Is replacing out a scumtell in this case?

Replacing out normally isn't a scumtell.

Vote: Feel It

I've felt more uncomfortable about FI coasting after yesterday than I have about Gen's weirdness.