Mini 1468: Legends of the Hidden Temple- Game Over!

[Grimgroove]

:-s

[Haschel Cedricson]

The pool of players eligible to be lynched today consists of:

Grimgroove

Elyse
qwints

Here are the current votes:

Elyse (3) - Majiffy, AngryPidgeon, pirate mollie
Grimgroove(3) - qwints, Venmar, Wisdom
qwints(2) - Grimgroove, Elyse

Not Voting (1) - enomis

With 9 players alive, it will take 5 votes to lynch.

enomis has 24 hours to post before getting replaced.

[Grimgroove]

Yeh I'm sick of your "debunking". You're quite obviously prefectly capable of doing it, so it does not mean much for me anymore.

This is truly retarded. Seriously. I get that you're getting tired of the game or something,b ut that's no excuse to get obvtown lynched. Read 2381.

And qwints is scum, for event rying to bring that up again. I have explained my stance on Nobody Special thousands of times, yet he simply ignored it, goes back in time, and gives it scrutiny by simply hypothesizing over scenarios.

FUCK YOU FOR VOTING ME WISDOM.
Seriously.

[Grimgroove]

Some quick responses to grim's walling
1) The notes were a one time thing taken during my re-read. I definitely overstated the extent of my notes in my first reference, which I made clear in response to Wisdom's probing on the subject. I have not been taking notes since that initial re-read.
2) Self-meta is always bullshit. The games I've played are on my wiki, and I've played with several of the people in here before. I'll be glad to point out games that fit a certain criteria if anyone wants to look, but I don't see a point in my describing my own play.
3) Elyse and I's QT has been quiet. Since elyse's description, elyse commented that she thought amrun was town and grim was scum and that enomis was the best lynch from that lynchpool. I've said that AP's hammer seemed scummy and asked her what she thought of enomis's sudden activity before the challenge today. She re-affirmed her scum-read of enomis and has complained about how the game is going.

Meanwhile, let me restate the main reason I think grim is scum right now (which, despite the fact that grim replied to it, hasn't gotten enough scrutiny)

Grim was voting NS. He repeatedly said that NS was a good vote. But he got off the wagon as soon as it picked up steam, and then got back on once it appeared inevitable. Look at these posts, four hours apart:

I believe sticking with NS for now is better.

Do you think AP made up his RL story?

You sound frustrated you're being bereft of an almost certain mislynch because of reasons you don't like.

But just because you don't like the reasons, doesn't mean they're not valid.

And they are. Not only Majiffy's logic convinced me (I was thinknig along the same lines anyway when it comes to that), but also A's description of what was going on sounds too genuine to be fake. There's no way you can't see that.

I'm going to move my vote back on to you, because of this obvious disappointment you're enduring. If you're town, you should be happy there were arguments brought forward that make AP very very town.

VOTE: Wisdom

He then unvotes Wisdom in 1146, and says that we need more from NS, BUT DOESN'T REVOTE NS. Why? BECAUSE THERE'S NOW A CHANCE NS MIGHT ACTUALLY BE THE LYNCH. Even though, his original reasoning for voting NS was to get more from NS. See 886 and 895.

He only goes back to voting NS to place the L-1 vote with his tough sounding post that lined up the Amrun mislynch:

Fine, I'll take you AtE.
I obviously did not read your game again, I might as well start reading the Bible, but pff, I thought about it.
I'd feel bad about letting you slide once again in case you do end up being scum, but I'd feel worse if you're actual town having put a lot of effort in this game and letting Nobody Special being lurksack lazy scum with 11 posts live on. Somehow doesn't seem fair.
So yeah, congrats, your AtE worked.
But I still think your play vis-à-vis Amrun has been very dubious. I hope you agree she is the next one to lynch and won't be throwing around any wild scenraios again just to make her seem town somehow. She is obvscum.

VOTE: Nobody Special

This is

L-1

.

I do think last words from Nobody Special are in order.

What's different now that makes him vote (read: bus) NS? There are no other viable options, with only one (1) vote anywhere else.

And can't anyone see how "scripted" this is?
Some quick responses? Seriously? He didn't even look at my walls. He just had another "case" ready for when the heat was getting back on. Does the above look like a quick response to you?

Gah.
Lynch qwints.
!!!

[Majiffy]

Grim, care to explain why you're townreading me in the thread and scumreading me in the QT?

[Grimgroove]

It is like many other reads of mine, they fluctuate. It's not as if I had a constant townread on you within this topic either.
The QT also sometimes holds thoughts I haven't necessarily pursued here, because it wasn't the right time or because I couldn't put the arguments in words.

[Majiffy]

I don't particularly like your QT post. Reads very self-conscious, as if you had planned on eventually posting it to try to look town.

[Venmar]

Majiffy move your vote to Grim then. Elyse is a terrible lynch now.

[Elyse]

Yeh I'm sick of your "debunking". You're quite obviously prefectly capable of doing it, so it does not mean much for me anymore.

This is truly retarded. Seriously. I get that you're getting tired of the game or something,b ut that's no excuse to get obvtown lynched. Read 2381.

And qwints is scum, for event rying to bring that up again. I have explained my stance on Nobody Special thousands of times, yet he simply ignored it, goes back in time, and gives it scrutiny by simply hypothesizing over scenarios.

FUCK YOU FOR VOTING ME WISDOM.
Seriously.

This post is really scummy.

First, since when are you obvtown? This whole game you've (admittedly) waffled around reads, been completely wrong, made mistakes, and said you would sheep people. How is that obvtown?

Second, how is qwints scummy for bringing up a reason for you as scum? He is actively trying to lynch you today and stated that multiple times.

Grim and Qwints are both in two of my suspected scumteams so I am good with lynching Grim.

I guess I would prefer a qwints lynch, but not by much, and there doesn't seem to be enough support for one.

[Majiffy]

Majiffy move your vote to Grim then. Elyse is a terrible lynch now.

It's

my

Elyse wagon and I need it

now!

[Grimgroove]

I don't particularly like your QT post. Reads very self-conscious, as if you had planned on eventually posting it to try to look town.

I can't believe this.

Yeah, just lynch me then. If after that post I'm not obvtown, I don't know what will make me. Didn't think anyone would put it in thier mind I would actually make up such a thing. Fuck. All of you.

[Grimgroove]

Yeh I'm sick of your "debunking". You're quite obviously prefectly capable of doing it, so it does not mean much for me anymore.

This is truly retarded. Seriously. I get that you're getting tired of the game or something,b ut that's no excuse to get obvtown lynched. Read 2381.

And qwints is scum, for event rying to bring that up again. I have explained my stance on Nobody Special thousands of times, yet he simply ignored it, goes back in time, and gives it scrutiny by simply hypothesizing over scenarios.

FUCK YOU FOR VOTING ME WISDOM.
Seriously.

This post is really scummy.

First, since when are you obvtown? This whole game you've (admittedly) waffled around reads, been completely wrong, made mistakes, and said you would sheep people. How is that obvtown?

Second, how is qwints scummy for bringing up a reason for you as scum? He is actively trying to lynch you today and stated that multiple times.

Grim and Qwints are both in two of my suspected scumteams so I am good with lynching Grim.

I guess I would prefer a qwints lynch, but not by much, and there doesn't seem to be enough support for one.

Wow.

[Majiffy]

I don't particularly like your QT post. Reads very self-conscious, as if you had planned on eventually posting it to try to look town.

I can't believe this.

Yeah, just lynch me then. If after that post I'm not obvtown, I don't know what will make me. Didn't think anyone would put it in thier mind I would actually make up such a thing. Fuck. All of you.

umad?

usoundmad.

[Grimgroove]

2381 is all I can say really. If you truly hold me capable to invent such a thing, then yes, you should lynch me. I will consider it an overestimation of my abilities and thus a compliment.
Elyse's switch in her last post is scummy and opportunistic as hell. Combine that with qwints presenting an old case as one of his own in a supposedly "quick" reaction, and you know you have to CHALLENGE GREEN after I flip. At least one of them is scum.
Wisdom's switch is due to lack of involvement (LA) and an obvious disenchantment with this game. His 2399 depresses me.
I was expecting more from Venmar.
Majiffy is angry I'm scumreading him again.

Meh.
I thought despite my poor reads I could do town a favor by at least preventing my own mislynch by obvtowning (something nobody has done), if I can't even do that I think you should just get this over with and get me out of this game.
And no, this is not an AtE. If anything should convince you, it's 2381. If it doesn't, you vote me and I can only hope you'll have to answer for it later.

[Grimgroove]

I don't particularly like your QT post. Reads very self-conscious, as if you had planned on eventually posting it to try to look town.

I can't believe this.

Yeah, just lynch me then. If after that post I'm not obvtown, I don't know what will make me. Didn't think anyone would put it in thier mind I would actually make up such a thing. Fuck. All of you.

umad?

usoundmad.

iammadbutillgetoverit.

[Majiffy]

Majiffy is angry I'm scumreading him again.

Are you? Because I can't tell your head from your ass in any of your reads.

[Grimgroove]

Yeh I'm sick of your "debunking". You're quite obviously prefectly capable of doing it, so it does not mean much for me anymore.

This is truly retarded. Seriously. I get that you're getting tired of the game or something,b ut that's no excuse to get obvtown lynched. Read 2381.

And qwints is scum, for event rying to bring that up again. I have explained my stance on Nobody Special thousands of times, yet he simply ignored it, goes back in time, and gives it scrutiny by simply hypothesizing over scenarios.

FUCK YOU FOR VOTING ME WISDOM.
Seriously.

This post is really scummy.

This might as well be an introduction to your own post.

First, since when are you obvtown? This whole game you've (admittedly) waffled around reads, been completely wrong, made mistakes, and said you would sheep people. How is that obvtown?

I thought, obviously incorrectly, I'd be obvtown after post 2381 (I think I'll be dreaming of this number). It just seemed like a sudden unexpected present from StrangerCoug from the grave. He asked me to post my thoughts in the QT, and I did at his service, partially for feeling bad for my part in his lynch. I post my thoughts like he wanted me to, and only now realize I can use this to my advatage: what is more covincing then my own QT-diary?
I guess none of you will care enough to do it, but I'm sure you can see the overlaps between the QT chronology and this topic.
I did not invent this.
And I do not troll.

When you vote me, I do want you to add which of the two it is that I'm doing, and I know why you would think I would/could do such a thing.

Second, how is qwints scummy for bringing up a reason for you as scum? He is actively trying to lynch you today and stated that multiple times.

qwints is not only scummy for that (considering you claim to have a scumread on him you should know that), but yes, that "vase" made him scummy. First of all it's not his case, second it ignores anything that I had to say about it, thirdly he claims it comes up natural and without care in a "quick" reply, while this is obviously something pre-prepared, possibly something he even had in some word-document just to copy and paste at a time that is strategically beneficial to him. As in, now. Does that sound like something town would do?

Grim and Qwints are both in two of my suspected scumteams so I am good with lynching Grim.

I can't be the only one who sees how terible this is.

I guess I would prefer a qwints lynch, but not by much, and there doesn't seem to be enough support for one.

And this is possibly even worse.

I should have just hammered the shit out of you. Fuck.

[Grimgroove]

My only strong read right now and since a while is my townread on Wisdom, as evidenced, amongst others, in post 2343.
Yes, it's not much. I agree.
But painting me scummy over this? NO! BAD! Stop.

[Majiffy]

You've been a scum read for a while, mate.

Why are you suddenly gung-ho for Elyse now that a wagon is mounting on you?

[Majiffy]

And furthermore, why are you not voting for her?

[Grimgroove]

Grim and Qwints are both in two of my suspected scumteams so I am good with lynching Grim.

I mean, really, one of these teams she's talking about actually has both me and qwints in a scumteam together. Can you actually read that with a straight face?

IF BOTH ME AND QWINTS WERE SCUM THERE WOULD BE NO WAY THAT NEITHER OF US WOULD VOTE/HAMMER YOU!!! THERE IS BUSSING AND THERE IS STUPID! WHAT YOU ARE SUGGESTING WOULD BE STUPID.

And even regardless of that, this defense of your stance of suddenly reading me as scum again after I obvtowned the hell out of everyone sounds mechanical as hell. It's not even a real reason. It just refers to your team-hypotheses. There have been literally more than 30 of said hypotheses in this game. They are not arguments. They are frameworks for thought out best, but not arguments, yet you use them as such here, very conveniently allowing you to be an opportunistic scumbag.

Shame on you.

[Grimgroove]

Why are you suddenly gung-ho for Elyse now that a wagon is mounting on you?

You are evil.

You know full well why I'm gung-ho over Elyse. Why? Because I literally said why I am in my last psots. Her last post was scummy.

This has very little to do with the wagon mounting on me, no matter how hard you'll be implying this. It's about the way Elyse is positioning herself into hopping on that wagon like an opportunistic little *mumblemumble*.

And I'm not voting her. qwints is even worse. Sneaky bastard.

[Grimgroove]

The main problem in this game is to tell apart the idiots from the scum.

But qwints is clearly not an idiot.

He's scum.

[Majiffy]

[Wisdom]

One thing's sure, I have not managed to get a firm townread on anyone since the beginning of the game. The main problem is not good scum, it's bad town.