Newbie 1391 - Game Over - FINALLY!!!

[Nachomamma8]

Actually.

6 left. Lynch wrong today we go into night with 5...

If there is no night kill again we are auto killing nacho regardless of any wifom he tries, bringing us to 4 if he isn't scum. Champ then has a chance to choose right in the night, if unsuccessful we are at 3... Hmmm.

I will listen to nachos analysis, but if its not convincing I'm suggesting him today.

Tomorrow will either be 4 alive with me as confirmed town or 5 alive with both champino and I still alive. Lynch me today, and you will end up in 4 alive with no confirmed town which is the worst possible scenario if I'm not scum.

To be honest, I think Flay is looking better after this night.

I'm definitely agreeing with this.

And I also wouldn't have aimed at nacho twice, because whoever did that if nacho ain't scum is stupid.

Somehow I'm not incredibly eager just to take your word for it.

Why is it that everyone who WAS here was extending a whole plateful of Townie Brownies to Generic until very recently?

I liked his Day 1 play quite a bit. His play after that, especially in later Days that actually slowed down a bit, have not been so unbelievably town.

All I know is of I work on champs theory flay or Stubbs is last scum.

When you get the chance, could you refresh me on why you think Stubbs is the last scum?

[Generic]

Why are you turning this back on me nacho? Aren't you meant to be making the case to have me as your second lynch choice?

Stubbs I have felt untrusting of on and off throughout the game, if you want me to restate why it will have to wait until after Saturday.

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

Vote Count 4.2

Not Voting - 6 (champinoman, Generic, Karnage, Mr. Flay, Nachomamma8, StubbsKVM)

4 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2013-08-11 07:00:00)

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[Nachomamma8]

Why are you turning this back on me nacho? Aren't you meant to be making the case to have me as your second lynch choice?

Stubbs I have felt untrusting of on and off throughout the game, if you want me to restate why it will have to wait until after Saturday.

I haven't forgotten about you at all. I'm not exactly interested in having a fast day today since it'd be sort of horrible if I fucked it up today, so we're going to take our time with this one.

[Mr. Flay]

While I agree with not rushing, you're in the driver's seat here, and we've wasted four days waiting for your case...

[Nachomamma8]

While I agree with not rushing, you're in the driver's seat here, and we've wasted four days waiting for your case...

I promised you a big analysis post, and you'll get a big analysis post. I want more information before I do that.

[Generic]

I'm getting bored of this game at present, so if you are going to bullshit for a mislynch on me let me know now do I can not waste time checking back. It's depressingly tedious to be told I'm now suddenly scummy.

Goodnight and goodluck

[Generic]

I'm getting bored of this game at present, so if you are going to bullshit for a mislynch on me let me know now do I can not waste time checking back. It's depressingly tedious to be told I'm now suddenly scummy.

Goodnight and goodluck

[StubbsKVM]

And how long can he keep that up for?

He asked for two kills. I have agreed to being willing to follow on one with a view to the second being based on good logic for the first choice.

After two kills if we are two nights more without a kill he is all but guaranteed scum aint he, we have lost 2 people at most (5 players left) and we kill him. Champ is confirmed town so if we get to that point and say he has chosen stubs and feel it to be lynched, we are left with lynching him, and if mafia have played a game to get him lynched the next night champ chooses between flay, me and miss stranger to jail... we go another night without a kill and its a good chance who he chose is the mafia player, and if the mafia has AGAIN not killed we STILL have another lynch available.

If we get all the way down to champ, miss stranger and one other... well, im going way off in to the future,

for now, where is the harm in nachos plan?

You didn't seem to have a problem with this before.

[Nachomamma8]

I'm getting bored of this game at present, so if you are going to bullshit for a mislynch on me let me know now do I can not waste time checking back. It's depressingly tedious to be told I'm now suddenly scummy.

Goodnight and goodluck

If I'm doing it right, I will be telling a lot of people they are scummy before the day's end. But why does it affect you so much that I'm suspicious of you?

[Mr. Flay]

Because we're essentially playing Surprise Kingmaker now? You (and to some degree, champino) are the only ones who get to decide the lynch today. Where is our incentive to participate except defensively if/when you call us out?

[Nachomamma8]

Because we're essentially playing Surprise Kingmaker now? You (and to some degree, champino) are the only ones who get to decide the lynch today. Where is our incentive to participate except defensively if/when you call us out?

I don't plan to decide the lynch on my own. You're the ones who are going to end up in 3P LyLo with whoever I don't lynch here today, so if I lynch my suspect just for being my suspect with no input from anyone else, then that's pretty shitty. Incentive is finding and lynching scum, just as it's always been. The main difference is I know I'm not gonna live forever and so my vote carries a little more weight.

[Mr. Flay]

Tomorrow will either be 4 alive with me as confirmed town

Wait what? How are you confirmed if you're alive tomorrow and champino's dead?? The plan was to lynch you if you don't hit scum today.

[Nachomamma8]

only way champino dies while i'm scum and he's targetting me is A) if i'm a roleblocker, or B) if he fails to target me.

[Mr. Flay]

I'm not so sure. If it were me I'd be targeting the JailKeeper every night that I'm still alive in the hope he tries to be too smart for his own good and jails someone else. Then once the Jailkeeper is dead you have tricked everyone else in to believing you are confTown because he was supposedly jailing you.

If you take your eye off the ball, we deserve to lose. That said, I can agree overall that Nacho is non-zero scum, but very small chance. We're lynching him anyone if it's not won today. I do like the analysis of why non-Nacho scum might target Nacho anyway (coming from anybody else it would be scummy, but you're the only confTown role we've got).

only way champino dies while i'm scum and he's targetting me is A) if i'm a roleblocker, or B) if he fails to target me.

You being RB requires some idiotic maneuver by our BP... but yeah. Fair point. I was thinking we were farther down the chain of events than we were. However I'm also distracted by the idea that it took VRK so long to come up with the resolution to the Night Actions. If there were a RB I would think he'd have had a better answer, and faster... which argues for Goon. Which is Row 1, not Column A at all. ARGH!

Anyway, Miss Stranger strikes me as newbieTown. Post #24 in particular doesn't look like something scum would say on Page One.

Generic still doesn't strike me as a good scum candidate. He could have stayed off the Antagonwagon D1, among many other things mentioned already.

Stubbs, on the other hand, replaced James May, who was Antagon's RVS vote. James May stuck Antagon right at the bottom of the Null-read section in #141, and pretty much ignored Antagon all Day. He voted him for lurking, but signaled that he would remove the vote if Antagon improved.

And yes, I realize Gen_Wolf was Antagon's sole Townread. If you must lynch me, so be it, but I think the massclaim I orchestrated argues against it. Scum had no reason to get into that behavior at this stage of the game. I do NOT like the cute little "at least James May was voting the right guy eh?" when Stubbs comes in, either. Looks like he decided his scumbuddy was sunk. Stubbs' #324 explicitly wants to dissuade speculation about why there was no NK, which is admirable from Town buuuut...

I'm drifting into confirmationbiasland right now though, so I'll stop.

[Mr. Flay]

Sonnova... added that to the wrong paragraph. That should read:

Stubbs, on the other hand, replaced James May, who was Antagon's RVS vote. James May stuck Antagon right at the bottom of the Null-read section in #141, and pretty much ignored Antagon all Day. He voted him for lurking, but signaled that he would remove the vote if Antagon improved. I do NOT like the cute little "at least James May was voting the right guy eh?" when Stubbs comes in, either. Looks like he decided his scumbuddy was sunk. Stubbs' #324 explicitly wants to dissuade speculation about why there was no NK, which is admirable from Town buuuut...

And yes, I realize Gen_Wolf was Antagon's sole Townread. If you must lynch me, so be it, but I think the massclaim I orchestrated argues against it. Scum had no reason to get into that behavior at this stage of the game.

[champinoman]

Firstly, Mr. Flay, not one of your links to posts in post 664 work. 2 out of the 3 actually lead to different threads

My thoughts at the moment, from scummiest to town, are: Nacho, Stubbs, Flay, Generic, Karnage (MS).

Stubbs, do you believe Generic should be the next lynch? (#632) Why do you think Generic is a better candidate than Flay?

[champinoman]

By letting Nacho stay alive and picking off different people everyday we leave ourself in a position where scum are forced to either no kill at night or confirm that Nacho is town by killing. This leaves us in a position where we are guaranteed to have a confirmed townie tomorrow if we play our cards right. The only way that we can get to day 5 without a confTown is by lynching Nacho today. So I wanted to see who was keen on the Nacho lynch.

Not keen, but not against. NOT liking his ignoring the thread thus far.

A pretty neutral response really but I'm happy with it.

Agree with flay, but leaning more towards doing it to free up champ.

Generic's reasonings for lynching Nacho seem to be based off the confusion with JK vs RB.

To be honest, I think Flay is looking better after this night.
If he was scum, not making a kill would not make sense.
I think we should kill Nacho today.

As for my not being around, I was around. I just didn't think it was up to me to hammer feel it.

If Nacho somehow flips town, I think I'll need to take another look at Generic/Miss S
You're the only conftown champino, what do you think?

On the other hand, there's 6 of us left. So if we're wrong on Nacho, we'll have 4 people left. Which is not ideal.

- I have no idea why Flay was singled out here to be looking better. Hell, I don't even understand how that makes him look better.
- Pushes hard for the Nacho lynch today.
- Admits to lurking.
- Joins the suspicion on Generic that Nacho has started to form.

[Mr. Flay]

Firstly, Mr. Flay, not one of your links to posts in post 664 work. 2 out of the 3 actually lead to different threads

Yeah, sorry about that. The # apparently played hell with the bbcode...

[Generic]

Apologies to all, still enjoying a family holiday so won't be putting any input into this until the weekend

[StubbsKVM]

Going into the previous night, it was pretty clear Flay or me would be the Lynch candidates for today.
I don't think Flay would have no-killed if he was scum, if he had a 50% chance of dying.

I still think it's Nacho, the only logical other option is Generic, to me.
I think Flay might be capable of pulling a stunt like this, but Gen Wolf? No, especially not after his day 1.

[Karnage]

Nacho, a couple of quick questions if you don't mind:

1 - as BP, were any of your early posts designed to draw a NK? if so, which ones?
2 - I think your current read on generic is that he could be scum, is that accurate?
3 - Under what conditions is it appropriate for a massclaim?

[Generic]

Has karnage replaced miss stranger?

[Mr. Flay]

Last page.

Karnage replaces Ms. Stranger.

[Generic]

See what I mean. Game dies waiting on nacho to pay, champ to tell us whatever we say is contrary to his opinion and a new player to catch up.

If you want my choice it's Stubbs. Tried to make a late push on me cod he knew I had issues with him, and nacho is off the table...

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You have my vote down now, I will check in periodically but not much more to say from me...