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Post Post #1750 (ISO) » Sat Aug 17, 2013 8:55 am

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Votecount 1.12


[6] Andrius (BeautyAndTheBeast, notscience, Trust Fund, Malakittens, RachMarie, Mac)
[5] RachMarie (zMuffinMan, Andrius, Desperado, thezmon221, Aj The Epic)
[3] mastin2 (Venmar, BROseidon, nickthename)
[3] Mutleyddmc (Ghostlin, Nachomamma8, TiphaineDeath)
[2] nickthename (mastin2, Faster Than Light)

[2] Not Voting (Mutleyddmc, Sound of Silence)

With 21 alive, it is 11 to lynch.

Let me know if you see any problems.

Deadline is in (expired on 2013-08-26 08:30:00)


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Post Post #1751 (ISO) » Sat Aug 17, 2013 9:07 am

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@SoS

What do you think of Mala

I asked that but didn't get an answer ;-;
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Post Post #1752 (ISO) » Sat Aug 17, 2013 9:27 am

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In post 1751, notscience wrote:@SoS

What do you think of Mala

I asked that but didn't get an answer ;-;
Our reads are is in flux.
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Post Post #1753 (ISO) » Sat Aug 17, 2013 9:55 am

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Hey you!

Yeah! You!

IF YOU HAVE ANDY AS A SCUM READ, WELCOME TO THE REST OF THE GAME.

MAYBE YOU SHOULD BE VOTING HIM INSTEAD OF SOMEONE ELSE.


^ The above applies to everyone with a stated Andy scumread that isn't voting Andy.
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Post Post #1754 (ISO) » Sat Aug 17, 2013 10:09 am

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In post 1687, RachMarie wrote:http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=28846 here you go another game that just ended where I was definitely town, and dealing with the stuffs I have been dealing with in RL. Originally was going be replaced, but the mod asked me as a favor when I realized I had not yet been replaced and the day deadline was getting close, to stay in the game which I did.

Sigh it is not one of my best performances :(
I'll take a closer look, but from a glimpse it is not dissimilar from here.

Spoiler: For FTL
Varsoon wrote:506 : A bit late to be exploiting my posts for a mislynch, isn't it? No info is given in response to my posts, but just broad, victimizing speculation.
I posted what I felt about those posts. I didn’t post more of your posts because those were the ones that provided the most noise IMHO. However, I provided what I felt to be legitimate analysis of the posts, and it allowed me to take a starting stance.
510 : Doesn't seem to have experience with the Rach. Caught between a Rach and a hard place? Whatever gets his Rachs off. This post certainly can't stop the Rach. Okay, okay, I'm done. Really, though, I hate his buddy/corral of Muffin Man here and in the previous post. It's ugly.
1. I didn’t corral him. 2) The post 510 is NOT a buddying attempt. Try harder to paint me in a bad light. I merely told him to get off of the lynch, and that he “broke my heart,” which is actually a more common phrase of mine than you think for people that I believe to be town currently. For instance, your reads of a few people break my heart a bit.
629 : Gets so defensive with me, which is kinda cute, but not endearing in the least. Honestly, he assaults my character (you didn't read my posts approach), and somehow thinks his reads-list doesn't just parrot town sensibilities? Okay, sure. He even provided the qualifier of feeling weaker about scum, as if those reads could shift drastically given new evidence. Sounds real confident, individually progressive, and town. Wait, no, it's actually the opposite of that.
I’m not defensive. I’m pointing out posts that you obviously missed in an effort to actually be able to have a legitimate discussion and not a shitstorm involving you calling me some shallow and empty read. I rarely ever get defensive.
647 : I hate all the distance this slot keeps making with "You don't know/understand".
I made that comment a single time to someone who clearly did not have a grasp on the conversation and decided to interject at an inopportune time for them.
939 : Slips off my wagon when it's going nowhere to pursue an even easier one to push through to a mislynch? Oh, but I bet the reasons for it are soundly town and not something like, "I'm going to totally sheep Molliffy here, since it gives me the perfect reason to hop ships to a different wagon." Because, you know, that would only be like open admission to swapping to a wagon that you got consensus on before joining in scum-reading and then hopping when you saw an opportunity to do so! TheZMon would never implement such level-1 scum play! (Yeah bitches, the levels are back.)
Reach hard and misrep harder. I’ve always had a philosophy of wanting to lynch my best scumread whenever possible. If I have two very similar reads, then I’d be okay with leaving one for another if I’m not much more confident in the first. Of course, that’s not the case with Andy and Rach, because I DO feel I have something going here.
957 : It's a cool thing that you try to distance yourself from the scummy play of your slot earlier by being an insufferable elitist about it. Give me your number later cool guy, I want to go on a date and throw my drink at you and skip out on the bill. You'll probably call me scum for that, too, but won't hop on my wagon until a recognized townie does so. It's okay if you ironically refer to your play as scummy.
It’s pretty damn obvious that Bert’s play was seen as scummy by a number of people. However, when I came into the game, I played a much townier game, which is my reference. I am not saying he’s a bad player or whatever, but for the game I’ve played a better game for the town alignment.
1015 : You're okay with any mislynch, that's good. Oh, hey, hold on, what was that? "But nick is a bigger wagon and more support has been garnered for it." Where... is the town motivation for sheeping the Nick wagon again? I know you parroted reasons why -other- townies want Nick hung, but why do you get a pass when you're clearly playing Level 1 Scum? Well, at the very least, you're trying to consistently stay on a wagon that you support, rather than throwing your vote onto whatever wagon has mass-appeal, right?
See 939's point.
1354 : Well, at least, at the very least, TheZmon doesn't see it scummy when other people do the same thing as--"You go from championing a wagon... to immediately jumping ship the first logical sign of reasoning for mastin being town shows up? Anybody else get some whiplash here?" Okay, fuck it, I'm done. I give up. You're clearly yanking my chain or something. I bet you later go on to vote Rach, call more players useless, suffocate the IC, and tell people they are awful, don't understand, and CANNOT argue against you, for reasons that are poorly founded and contradict your play up to those points.
MS edit: Vig thezmon pls
Firstly, no. Just no. I didn’t champion a wagon until I decided I very, very much so wanted Rach lynched. Trust Fund was clearly the most vocal on the mastin wagon, and support was still garnered. Then, she switches when the first sign of something against the wagon that makes sense comes up. That is what I’m pointing to.
Secondly, go fucking misrep me harder.
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Post Post #1755 (ISO) » Sat Aug 17, 2013 10:09 am

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Ugh, fine.

Vote : Andrius


He's one of our top scum picks, gives good info, and town actually agrees on it.
I'm not a huge fan of everyone on his wagon, but all we need is one scum.
Besides, doesn't look like I am getting much out of my nick vote other than that (really good) nick response that'll serve for a great basis for handling him later.

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Post Post #1756 (ISO) » Sat Aug 17, 2013 10:12 am

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@TheZmon : Devil's in the details. Of course you won't agree with my points. I've only ever had scum do that once when I snagged him.

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Post Post #1757 (ISO) » Sat Aug 17, 2013 10:27 am

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You have my support tomorrow for Nick.
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Post Post #1758 (ISO) » Sat Aug 17, 2013 10:28 am

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In post 1757, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:You have my support tomorrow for Nick.
Thank you. I'm interested in what develops. If Andy flips scum like I imagine, then I'll be able to forge forward with a bit more clarity.

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Post Post #1759 (ISO) » Sat Aug 17, 2013 10:48 am

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In post 1756, Faster Than Light wrote:@TheZmon : Devil's in the details. Of course you won't agree with my points. I've only ever had scum do that once when I snagged him.
Off-topic: You actually got scum to agree with your points against them?
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Post Post #1760 (ISO) » Sat Aug 17, 2013 10:55 am

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@TheZmon : Yeah, I was blown away. He just realized he was caught and said outright, "Okay, you got me, I'm scum. I'm not even going to argue back, your points are on the mark."
At first I thought it was some gambit or him trying to sarcasm me off his wagon, but he was serious, and the lynch went through and he was scum.
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Post Post #1761 (ISO) » Sat Aug 17, 2013 10:56 am

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To elaborate, I was a strong town voice in the game in question and was very insistent with my case. He tried being slippery for a few dozen posts before just giving up.
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Post Post #1762 (ISO) » Sat Aug 17, 2013 10:57 am

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That's strange. Huh.
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Post Post #1763 (ISO) » Sat Aug 17, 2013 11:08 am

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I'm putting the vote back fery

VOTE: Andrius
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Post Post #1764 (ISO) » Sat Aug 17, 2013 11:36 am

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I need to put this in to prod dodge. I'm incredibly exhausted and will need days to get back on my sleep schedule now. Or a day. I'm reading, just too tired to say something coherent and productive.
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Post Post #1765 (ISO) » Sat Aug 17, 2013 2:57 pm

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I have asked for feedback on bro about rw

nacho, cabd, mac and yeah metal was in that game too! can you guyz plz answer this?
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Post Post #1766 (ISO) » Sat Aug 17, 2013 3:34 pm

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mollie what do you think about mala
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Post Post #1767 (ISO) » Sat Aug 17, 2013 3:37 pm

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In post 1192, Sound of Silence wrote:You could ISO us and ctl-f and probably find what you are looking for. But, a quick summary goes like this

BRO - leaning scum. He looks really uncomfortable wearing the scum-win mantle, which could be coming from a townish place. But, I'm not seeing the well defined observations and really spot-on quote-and-call-out posts that I associate with his play. Everything is kind of mushy and even inaccurate (e.g., the comment about GiF/me not posting much).

Mastin - Null. I see why people are reading him as scum, but I'm not there right now. He looks like town having a bad hair day, basically, and I can think of a couple recent games where I really struggled to get a handle on the game on day 1 (and beyond). That's what I feel like I'm seeing with Mastin.

BnB - Town. Mollie is totally town. Majiffy's reads list looks town to me, and I liked the way he broke up the TD flash wagon.

TF - I'm very cautious about the Cabd head of this hydra (the one who's been most active. I think there have been 2-3 Syr posts, though his reads list shows that he's following along and discussing the game with Cabd). Earlier, when Cabd was actively reaching out for data - reads and impressions - I thought that looked pretty town. Now that he's in the mode of herding votes onto his preferred wagon(s) I'm a little paranoid.

GiF thinks Mala's aggressive, even angry at times, play looks town. I'm not there, not yet anyway.
BRO's the only one I didn't mention in my reads post, but I'm kind of on the same page. There's some warping of perceptions that are going on with his reads/posts that ring wrong to me. The words 'horribly inaccurate' spring to mind.

I understand why you're torn about Mastin from a certain perspective, but if you trust I'm town(ish), trust me on my Mastin read.

Alright. Yeah, TF rang the wrong bells with his interaction with Skull that I will continue to bore this game to fucking death with. There's getting votes and then there's letting players get away with crap they shouldn't.

GiF: I think Mala's aggressive, angry play seems to be coming from the perspective of hyper-defensiveness you can see in certain scum.

I can see where you're coming from. I understand your reads, and I think we're close enough to the same page I don't think we'd be shouting each other down.
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Post Post #1768 (ISO) » Sat Aug 17, 2013 3:58 pm

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In post 1766, notscience wrote:mollie what do you think about mala
not sure tbh

I want to put her in my town pile but I can't. :/

I usually have to rely on other people to read her
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Post Post #1769 (ISO) » Sat Aug 17, 2013 3:59 pm

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what are your thoughts ns
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Post Post #1770 (ISO) » Sat Aug 17, 2013 4:51 pm

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@bnb

will need more posts from bro to confirm reads on him

bro does lurker-style d1 as town though so yep
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Post Post #1771 (ISO) » Sat Aug 17, 2013 5:06 pm

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Okay Ghost is currently suffering from confirmation bias. I already said my tone is not alignment indicative.

Mollie: :\

I'll get to FTL's tomorrow. I'm too lazy to post my thoughts currently.

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Post Post #1772 (ISO) » Sat Aug 17, 2013 5:09 pm

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Post Post #1773 (ISO) » Sat Aug 17, 2013 5:12 pm

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About what Mollie?
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Post Post #1774 (ISO) » Sat Aug 17, 2013 6:31 pm

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In post 1767, Ghostlin wrote:
In post 1192, Sound of Silence wrote:You could ISO us and ctl-f and probably find what you are looking for. But, a quick summary goes like this

BRO - leaning scum. He looks really uncomfortable wearing the scum-win mantle, which could be coming from a townish place. But, I'm not seeing the well defined observations and really spot-on quote-and-call-out posts that I associate with his play. Everything is kind of mushy and even inaccurate (e.g., the comment about GiF/me not posting much).

Mastin - Null. I see why people are reading him as scum, but I'm not there right now. He looks like town having a bad hair day, basically, and I can think of a couple recent games where I really struggled to get a handle on the game on day 1 (and beyond). That's what I feel like I'm seeing with Mastin.

BnB - Town. Mollie is totally town. Majiffy's reads list looks town to me, and I liked the way he broke up the TD flash wagon.

TF - I'm very cautious about the Cabd head of this hydra (the one who's been most active. I think there have been 2-3 Syr posts, though his reads list shows that he's following along and discussing the game with Cabd). Earlier, when Cabd was actively reaching out for data - reads and impressions - I thought that looked pretty town. Now that he's in the mode of herding votes onto his preferred wagon(s) I'm a little paranoid.

GiF thinks Mala's aggressive, even angry at times, play looks town. I'm not there, not yet anyway.
BRO's the only one I didn't mention in my reads post, but I'm kind of on the same page. There's some warping of perceptions that are going on with his reads/posts that ring wrong to me. The words 'horribly inaccurate' spring to mind.

I understand why you're torn about Mastin from a certain perspective, but if you trust I'm town(ish), trust me on my Mastin read.

Alright. Yeah, TF rang the wrong bells with his interaction with Skull that I will continue to bore this game to fucking death with. There's getting votes and then there's letting players get away with crap they shouldn't.

GiF: I think Mala's aggressive, angry play seems to be coming from the perspective of hyper-defensiveness you can see in certain scum.

I can see where you're coming from. I understand your reads, and I think we're close enough to the same page I don't think we'd be shouting each other down.
Our mala read is evolving. So is our rach read.

nick is in our kinda town pile. I may be making a really really thin soup from the newbie game we played together a while back, but if I have enough data to cobble together a sketchy model I like to try, and like to see if it turns out to be useful.
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