Newbie 1420: Fireproof (Game Over)

[Cheery Dog]

Vote Count 1.6

Player	L-4 Vote	L-3 Vote	L-2 Vote	L-1 Vote	L-0 Vote (Hammer)	Total Votes
Smoker	RachMarie	A Simple Plan	thenewearth			3
VT	notscience	Ms Marangal				2
A Simple Plan	VT					1
thenewearth	Prophylaxis					1
Ms Marangal	Smoker					1

Not Voting CityElectric

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch Deadline (expired on 2013-08-29 07:00:00)

Prophylaxis is on V/LA from 18/8 until 21/8

[Ms Marangal]

Like, I literally just got home

anyway

I was going to say that I don't use logic and frankly, I suck at it but, instead I use behaviors and attitudes to determine others alignments.

For example

You're town because of your indignant attitude. You expect people to think like you, to do things the way you do, and when people don't do things exactly the way you want them to, they are scum. You aren't afraid to voice your opinion, you don't like being called a newb, and you generally are just towntowntown and I just wish you would stop tunneling and realize that, you can't find my partner because I don't have one.

Rach is being aggressive for Rach, which is a really, really good sign and is the main reason why I'm town-reading her. She's pushing reads, and just being incredibly town

ns is town for his paranoia earlier, and his discussions, however there are a few cog-dis things that I'm somewhat worried about like him being paranoid of me, yet not doing anything to try and figure me out and asking TNE to contribute yet, saying lynching him would be a PL (even though he doesn't have a wagon on him and no one is thinking of lynching him in the first place) when Rach questions TNE's lack of content.

VT was scum for looking like he was contributing, yet not really contributing. I still feel like he's is dumbing down his play, and I'm not sure what to make of his call outs. Further more, I've seen new players use that newbie card before to get a scum victory and his lack of reads, interaction with others, combined with that is what makes him scum

CE/SSG is scum because his reaction to being suspected is how I think caught scum tend to react. He is a weak read however, and I'm willing to change my read on him

TNE is null-town, I like his last post and I can see his reasonings for it.

Prophy is null-scum for his weird vote and I need more from him. I also think he's scum for opening the game with "I'm town"

[Ms Marangal]

Mara

I really hope TIP switches in to argue with you

These guys don't need to see that!

[thenewearth]

Oh.

And @Rach: Reasons for me prod dodging

1) School
2) Rain (I don't have school because of rain, but that means my sister doesn't have school as well)
3) Limited Internet
4) TOUHOU!!!
5) MORE TOUHOU!!!
6) UGUU TOUHOU!!!

/fluff

[VT]

lol I was wondering why everyone was calling me a "he" but whatever I don't care and thats fixed so it's all good

Anyway I just got back from my camping trip, I think I actually townread Mara for 176, it looks more genuine than some of the other posts that she's made

TNE I didn't realize Rach was voting him until like way later, I thought I was the third vote. Also how is Simple Plan town for that one post? I don't see it, it looks almost opportunistically mafia motivated.

Yeah Rach is town I think

Hmmmmmphhhhh I'll get more into this tomorrow I'm tireddddd kbai

[VT]

Meh one more thing to say:

If it's the mindset and motivation behind the posts that I need to look for, that's what i'll look for

I don't like how people are attacking Smoker for very generic reasons and then using that to call him mafia, since you can make up a ton of suspicious things from Smoker but I think if you fail to see that he's just super town you're being super opportunistic since he's an easy target. Basically Smoker just seems like a good target for mafia to attack and call "scummy" lol

Obviously I'm not excluding people who aren't attacking Smoker because that could be differently motivated so but anyway I think I've made my point

Ok goodnitteeee

[notscience]

Yeah, VT needs more votes.

[A Simple Plan]

I'm liking TNE's increase in activity, and am liking some of the posts made recently; not sure on read.
I like that VT got an avatar, but it doesn't change the fact that posting habits seem scummy.
Ms. M made a couple good posts, and I like the explanations behind a couple of her reads.

After 1:00AM. Going to bed because I have class in the morning; starting college. will post more later.

[Cheery Dog]

Vote Count 1.7

Player	L-4 Vote	L-3 Vote	L-2 Vote	L-1 Vote	L-0 Vote (Hammer)	Total Votes
Smoker	RachMarie	A Simple Plan	thenewearth			3
VT	notscience	Ms Marangal				2
A Simple Plan	VT					1
thenewearth	Prophylaxis					1
Ms Marangal	Smoker					1

Not Voting CityElectric

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch Deadline (expired on 2013-08-29 07:00:00)

Prophylaxis is on V/LA from 18/8 until 21/8

I'm not letting this thread go 24 hours without a post.

[Ms Marangal]

Basically Smoker just seems like a good target for mafia to attack and call "scummy" lol

Why?

[notscience]

Mara are you scum

[Ms Marangal]

If it's the mindset and motivation behind the posts that I need to look for, that's what i'll look for

This is exactly what you look for, though the funny thing is, I didn't even talk about mind-set or motivation. I talked about attitude and behavior...

Nah, I'm pretty town this game

[notscience]

Why does my cogdis bug you mara

[Ms Marangal]

Why does my cogdis bug you mara

I keep forgetting that it's a part of who you are

[notscience]

I want to see a reads set from CE

[Cheery Dog]

Prodding Prophylaxis

[Prophylaxis]

I am back.

I'll read and post content in an hour or two.

[Prophylaxis]

notscience is probably town. The wagon on him was way too fast in RVS - if he was scum I would have seen a bit more resistance/pushback. I don't like his explanation of not voting, but I like his later posts.

I dislike Smoker requesting a claim based on an RVS wagon. There was no real motivation behind the wagon, and there was no need to claim.

...I'm not sure what to make of his later posts, though - gutsy scum, or flip floppy town. He's adopting Maragal's style of posting conclusions without reasoning to back them up, which is frustrating.

Reading on.

I don't like VT's reactions - they feel artificial, in a sense. I feel like he's adopting a mindset of "I don't know what's going on here!" It feels forced. Also don't like Rach's conclusion of the reaction - it doesn't feel genuine to me at all.

..Yeah, dislike the Rach post. The vote on Smoker is bad because Smoker's not barning wagons, as he made an attack on Maragal. I feel like he's limiting his options quite a bit with the declaration of certain people town/mafia.

Man, I can understand Rach if she posted that bit right before #35-#37. That feels really... flip floppy.

ASP rings my alarm bell with the vote. It feels really overexplanatory and overjustified.

#42 is also IIoA.

/barn notscience with Smoker - the cockiness is really weird.

/barn Maragal regarding VT.

Man, just looking at my t/s list here now. People need to start being more townie.

Yeah, ASP's #69 is more IIoA.

I kind of like VT's #75. It reads more genuine than his other one.

Still don't like thenewearth, though I have more scummy suspects to pursue currently.

Smoker's playstyle irritates me, but I can understand how Maragal got to her conclusion with him. I'll have to watch him later because he makes me paranoid, reminiscent of McStab from High Noon.

I kind of like his #92, very stream-of-consciousness.

I don't get how Smoker gets his probtown conclusion from Rach's #104. It does not inspire me at all.

And thenewearth is still active lurking.

I don't see the scumslip from VT.

And more flip floppiness from Smoker. Man, I just want someone to shoot him so I don't have to read his posts.

Hm, VT's implosion feels... more newb-orientated. I really can't explain it in words, but my gut says town. Ugh.

*skims past Smoker's readwall*

I really do not like ASP right now. His post feels... nongenuine, and feels.. rehearsed, somehow.

I also do not like thenewearth's #171.

And finished!

Posting reads in another post for clarity.

[Prophylaxis]

Alright!

Prophylaxis

notscience

Smoker

VT

Ms Marangal
CityElectric

RachMarie

thenewearth

A Simple Plan

I'm town.

notscience is town for the quickwagon during RVS, and he has generally made astute observations and is scumhunting pretty clearly.

Smoker is town because I have a hard time feeling scum would put themselves out on the open like that and be very gutsy. Some of his posts I like, such as the stream-of-consciousness one. I don't like the wagon on him.

VT is a light town read because gut. He's definitely a noob, but I want to observe him later in the game - it's possible that he's noob scum, since I don't recall him really scumhunting at all. I have some tricks to read noobs that I'll whip out on Day 3 or so.

Maragal and CE I haven't been able to get a read on. Maragal's going to be a tough nugget to read, since it's so difficult to get a window into her mind - she's very curt, that's harder to read.

I don't know why people are townreading Rach - she hasn't made an impression on me at all, and her conclusions are off. I'll need to look again, however.

thenewearth is similar to Rach - the self vote was bad, and his posts are uninspiring. I'll need to have another look, though.

ASP is my most solid scumread. His posts feel orchestrated and not very genuine at all, which is raising huge gut alarms for me. His overexplanation and IIoA are also bad, and the fact that people are ignoring him make me feel like he's scum.

Unvote, vote ASP

Your move Kasparov!

[CityElectric]

4) TOUHOU!!!
5) MORE TOUHOU!!!
6) UGUU TOUHOU!!!

I can sympathize with this.

I want to see a reads set from CE

I don't do proper lists; I suck at them and will probably end up with a gigantic null-scum pool that really gets no one anywhere.

I literally don't get how Post 193 follows from Post 192. There's the 'people need to be more townie' comment in 192, yet the town/scum/null ratio in the readslist is 3/2/3 (excluding himself), which is quite even. Or 'don't like thenewearth, though I have more scummy suspects to pursue currently.' (192) and then putting tne as second scummiest on the list. It doesn't feel consistent and, quite frankly, it feels scummy to me. Combine this with a slightly bad feeling I had already, and I think prophy is scum.

VOTE: Prophylaxis

I also don't like VT, there's waaaaaay too much sucking up to Mara in his posts (or whatever you want to call it).

[Cheery Dog]

Prodded RachMarie

[RachMarie]

@ Proph

How is my conclusions off? Also what is with the colors?

[thenewearth]

is it just me...

or phrop's #192 and #193 contradictory except for his read on notscience?

[notscience]

is it just me

or is that parroting CE

[thenewearth]

huh...

I didn't really notice CE...

Then I guess It is