Mini 1489 - VisCon: Murder at Wingate Mansion [Game Over]

[Nachomamma8]

Pedit: why is town reading me scummy? Things like this show I'm being prepped as a mislynch weapon, either to mislynch me or use interactions with me to mislynch others.

it's not scummy. in fact, it's literally the only townie thing desperado's done all game.
but it isn't enough for me to keep him alive for today.

[Bert]

nacho - did you answer my question about your updated read on 'marble?

probably not. marble's getting a d1 pass from me at the moment because he's extremely worth keeping around if he's town.

Stupid passes

You don't have a townread on him

[Nachomamma8]

i don't have a scumread on him either.

[Bert]

Good point

I want you to be alive tomorrow so u can catch empire or Tammy

[Generic]

Pedit: why is town reading me scummy? Things like this show I'm being prepped as a mislynch weapon, either to mislynch me or use interactions with me to mislynch others.

it's not scummy. in fact, it's literally the only townie thing desperado's done all game.
but it isn't enough for me to keep him alive for today.

Good answer. I will use the night shift ahead of me nacho to read desp again. If I see 2-3 town things from him I won't be voting for him at all. If I don't I will join the wagon.

And I will list the town things just to be clear.

[Bert]

Lets keep throwing Nacho's past failures in his face to reassure him <3

[qwints]

Is Shoe really about to escape by ATE and lurking?

[Nachomamma8]

Is Shoe really about to escape by ATE and lurking?

You're OK letting Desperado "escape" because he didn't AtE, right?

[TheGarantula]

I'm on very limited access right now, so can someone please explain the Desperado case to me?

[Desperado]

Nacho I'm pretty sure I'm getting FOSed for trying to work with my townblock. The only post marble could point out amongst all of my scum posts was me asking Tammy to explain her reads more clearly.

[Nachomamma8]

Your reason for bringing Generic into the townblock was that "it looked like townflail". You brought Garantula into the townblock for god knows what reason. You brought Peacebringer into the townblock for "genuine looking questioning". After this initial push, you made no additional effort to sort people out, you kept the same reads and continued pushing easy lynches.

Well, I'm still a bit suspicious about peace based on bald eagle replacing out. He's still active on site and signing up for games. He was scum reading nacho and replaced out after being questioned on his reads. I'm worried about that. I know he's new and could get intimidated either way, but it seems like an odd thing so early. And peace came in and immediately latched onto generic and didn't say anything about anyone else. If generic is scum, I could see that from a partner trying to make sure they were on the right side of the argument. Generic has reacted to peace a bit more calmly than he's reacted to some, and if generic is scum I can see that interaction as partnership based. This I'm going off of the way generic treated my suspicions of him in the red wedding as opposed to others. If generic isn't scum then this falls apart some, but I'm still concerned about the replace out thing.

I have no idea how you could read this paragraph as about peace if you were actually reading what Tammy was saying.

I feel like he took the antagonism too far, and I feel like the tone of his post was geared more towards pushing Generic's buttons than getting him to step his game up.

This is a weak reason to call someone scum and you didn't even engage him about it.

kuribo replaces SXTLHGaiden.

This is good, kuribo's an open book

When your scumread got replaced and a bigger threat took his place, you backed the fuck off.

Nacho: are you seriously townreading mutley after WWE? I trusted you there and I can see now what you were saying, and I also followed a newbie where he trolled hard and Thor got him mislynched D1, and I'm just not seeing any of that here.

i haven't townread him this game, no.

Oh, I think I misinterpeted #825

you thought i was townreading mutley when i wasn't.
but now that i'm reading him as town, this reaction is pretty fucking strange because you didn't react this was when people in your townblock were being scumread (namely you didn't reach out to mara to stop her from scumreading generic).

not to mention the only time you're really working with me is when you're trying to reignite my passion for a purple shoe lynch and not exploring any of my other reads. so overall, not that psyched about your play this game.

[Desperado]

My reason for Generic town was that his disposition in a 1v1 was noticeably different from what he did in RW with Metal Sonic.

Yeah, I never engaged Gaiden...because he fucking disappeared, then prod dodged, then self-voted, then replaced out.

When my scumread replaced out and became kuribo I unvoted because I'm confident in my ability to read kuribo.

I didn't reach out to Mala to stop scumreading generic because that would have been interfering with their process. Don't you think it's better if they sort each other organically?

Why are you reading mutley as town now?

[Nachomamma8]

My reason for Generic town was that his disposition in a 1v1 was noticeably different from what he did in RW with Metal Sonic.

and then you noted that he was against someone he had a history with, so it'd probably be different regardless of alignment.

I didn't reach out to Mala to stop scumreading generic because that would have been interfering with their process. Don't you think it's better if they sort each other organically?

no. 30 pages is enough time to sort, if they don't do it by then, they probably aren't going to do it today.

Why are you reading mutley as town now?

take a wild guess.

[Desperado]

Yes I did, then a bunch of other stuff happened and Generic was still town.

Neither of them is in danger of being lynched right now so why should I be wasting time convincing Mala of something that isn't going to be relevant today in any case?

And I'd rather not guess, so how about you just tell me. Or quote the post where you already explained it.

[Nachomamma8]

Mara*.

[Bert]

Nacho I will be crying in happiness if Desp flips scum

If he flips town, you will bask in the martyrdom of forgiveness <3

[Nachomamma8]

get reading to cry bert
i would say i'll grab you some tissues and post a picture but pictures from me are usually reserved to mollie

[Nachomamma8]

ready*

[Bert]

I will cry a river, build a bridge over it, and bury the scum beneath the sea of happy cries

<333

[Llamarble]

Every player in this game has towntells and I'd say the scum are playing a pretty good game and would be in great shape if all the townies weren't all towning hard too.
Desperado gives some reads and some reasons, but the scumhunting energy level isn't as high as, say, Bert. He hasn't really thrown down to try and force anything, and his votes work as places scum would vote.
One of the more concrete things I can say about him is that he cares A LOT about being aware of what everybody else's reads are; this is scummy because the main thing scum want to do is make sure things don't turn on one of them / see where a mislynch can be organized, and the information needed to do this is what he has spent much of his time seeking. If I quoted the posts where he asked for clarification of a read / how strong a read was I'd be quoting a large portion of his ISO. It's okay to campaign to get people on the same side as you, but usually you can see more of an information gathering -> strong read -> lynch cheerleading pattern.

So I'm still pretty good with lynching Desperado. I'll reread the Qwints slot though; I don't get why it's town.

[inte]

aite guys im not gonna be able to catch up if you guys keep doing 2 pages a day or something im on like page 30

[Nachomamma8]

there's 20 hours until deadline. you should be a real good friend and vote desperado.

[Tammy]

I'll reread the Qwints slot though; I don't get why it's town.

Please be town llamarble. Then we can hold hands and scum read this slot together. I just don't want the only other person scum reading this slot to be scum

[Nachomamma8]

TAMMY

[Nachomamma8]

i want you to take a vote and i want you to throw it down on desperado right this instant