Xenogears Mafia (Game Over)

[TiphaineDeath]

skimming cause I have a tournament today, just saw a mac vote, jumping for joy, VOTE: mac

[Desperado]

mollie and jiffy: Please reevaluate your read on Nick. He's town and the last time I tried to tell you that your case was weak I don't remember you responding.

[Venmar]

gonna note the lack of BRO's response to me

[BROseidon]

You instead tried to coast by on "I can read Rach well she's town trust me guys."

- Ok I can tell right here that you have either never played with me before or have no idea who you're talking to.

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Also HOW THE FUCK is this thing not dead yet?

Vote: Mac

To this?

You aren't going to give me anything to work with. If you're not going to try to convince me to change my mind, why is my mind going to change?

And no, saying "because I play this way" is not a valid answer.

[Venmar]

becauaw I play this way

[BROseidon]

Congratulations, you will never convince me of anything ever.

[mastin2]

@Mastin If Andrius and I are both town, who do you think is the last scum?

Both town? Hmm. Well, then. In that case, it'd be the bottom of my town-list--Desperado.

Mala, Venmar, AJ, Mastin.

Well, 1/4 isn't

too

terribly bad... (But serious, Jiffy. You need to up your game. I'm not scum. Venmar isn't scum. Aj's not as certainly not-scum, but is a pretty dang solid townread with his content.)

Also HOW THE FUCK is this thing not dead yet?

Vote: Mac

NO, VENMAR, NO! STOP LOSING SIGHT OF THE TARGET! D:

There is literally a 0% chance for Venmar to be scum. I'd lynch a cop innocent before I'd lynch Venmar.

You tell me this but you know I can't take your word for it right?

VOTE: Nachomamma8.

Here's the problem, though, Nacho. The town-you

would

take my word for it. The town-you WOULD be trusting the town-me (WHICH YOU ADMITTED! You flat-out have made it explicit that this is my town self) on my read. The LACK of accepting it is itself a scumtell from you. This isn't some lousy "I am town; you can trust me" statement. This is practically the Mastin Gambit, and yet, you've brushed it off.

To put things simply--this is not you, with your own reads, taking input from townreads that you respect the ability of, but ultimately having your own reads. (The town you.) This is you, with your own agenda, trying to manipulate others into following it. (The scum you.)

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

mollie and jiffy: Please reevaluate your read on Nick. He's town and the last time I tried to tell you that your case was weak I don't remember you responding.

it is majiffy's case and he will not give it up.

if we don't lynch him today then our vote will be tied up until nicky is lynched or dead. if I try to move our vote majiffy will just move it back.

[zMuffinMan]

@bnb,

who do you think is scum if nick is town?

[nickthename]

mollie and jiffy: Please reevaluate your read on Nick. He's town and the last time I tried to tell you that your case was weak I don't remember you responding.

if we don't lynch him today then our vote will be tied up until nicky is lynched or dead. if I try to move our vote majiffy will just move it back.

Can't your hear how anti-town that is?

[Desperado]

mollie and jiffy: Please reevaluate your read on Nick. He's town and the last time I tried to tell you that your case was weak I don't remember you responding.

it is majiffy's case and he will not give it up.

if we don't lynch him today then our vote will be tied up until nicky is lynched or dead. if I try to move our vote majiffy will just move it back.

Majiffy, can you quote what you feel is representative of your case on Nick?

[zMuffinMan]

SoS was the only one who gave any serious push against me day 1

he was the only one that seriously pushed you because the rest of the game had other priorities in {rm, andrius, nick} and he was the only one who thought all three were town and you were scum.

he was far from the only one scum reading you.

a bunch of people came in with OMG HAMMER SO TERRIBLE

i don't think anyone cared about the hammer itself, more about the fact you were clearly still following the thread but not posting content... which i mentioned... and you never really addressed.

why

were

you still following the thread but not posting anything in the way of content?

[BROseidon]

i don't think anyone cared about the hammer itself, more about the fact you were clearly still following the thread but not posting content... which i mentioned... and you never really addressed.

I followed vote-counts near deadline. I hammered b/c I didn't think anyone else would and I was going to sleep.

[Malakittens]

._. Why am I still alive.

Guess ill make a comment after work.

[zMuffinMan]

@aj,

Spoiler:

But when he did so again, and it seemed to be targeted specifically at Mollie, I was wondering if it wasn't a subtle attempt at discrediting a hydra early on.

i highly doubt it. if he wanted to discredit someone in some way, an off-the-cuff comment here and there is hardly going to be effective...

i think my thoughts on this are more likely, unless you think he's either really, really bad or really, really lazy. because those are the only two scenarios i see it making sense as an attempt at "discrediting",

I felt he might've been trying to protect his own meta.

ok... but he legitimately has no finished scum games on this site, so what meta is there to even "protect"?

like i said, the best you could say about this is that perhaps his snarky attitude is because he's scum and he knows they can't use meta on him... but this is a weak argument.

He basically saw mastin say "I'm going to lie about my confidence" and attacked Mastin for lying.

you're not reading it in context. it had nothing to do with mastin "lying" and everything to do with how shit the reads mastin was pushing were. and, guess what.. nick was mastin's primary scum read and mastin had literally

nothing

in the way of a case.

I can't check, but I'm fairly certain my post about Rach and her connections was before this post. I thought Rach had plenty of connections, fairly obvious ones at that.

*shrug* there were others saying that there was little information to be gained from a rm lynch. iirc the MS head of ftl was one of them (don't quote me on this, but i do recall at least two others saying something along these lines), while others were complaining that there wasn't enough content from rm to get a read on rm herself.

So... why is he sticking off a wagon that he claimed he thought the slot was scummy?

this is the only reason i wasn't reading nick as town today, and the one point that i've acknowledged is somewhat valid.

i can think of possible scenarios that make sense if nick is town. but yes, this is something i could see as likely coming from nick-scum.

Isn't 90% of this game interaction?

well, not really, i hunt my scum reads first and then look at possible interactions to support my scum reads as supporting evidence. but i cbf discussing this

the point about mastin's reads is that they were

ALL

interaction-based. not based on the content of the players he thought was scum. he literally took a base scum read on nacho and then went through isos saying "yep this guy makes sense as scum look at what nacho said about him".

that's not a fucking case. that's not even fucking interaction tells. that's a pile of steaming shit. go back and actually read mastin's reads post where he claimed to know the entire scu mteam in savant fashion.

But, what's your current read on Mastin then? You've obviously expressed difficulties with communicating to him, but I'm not sure I remember any specific read you have for him.

pretty sure i was one of the first people, if not the first, to read mastin as town and i consistently called him town d1. not much has changed.

[nickthename]

._. Why am I still alive.

Why wouldn't you be alive? Did you expect to be lynched, or night killed, or what?

[Nachomamma8]

venmar pretty much kills my heart

[Nachomamma8]

BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT

[Malakittens]

._. Why am I still alive.

Why wouldn't you be alive? Did you expect to be lynched, or night killed, or what?

Lynched

[Nachomamma8]

Here's the problem, though, Nacho. The town-you would take my word for it. The town-you WOULD be trusting the town-me (WHICH YOU ADMITTED! You flat-out have made it explicit that this is my town self) on my read. The LACK of accepting it is itself a scumtell from you. This isn't some lousy "I am town; you can trust me" statement. This is practically the Mastin Gambit, and yet, you've brushed it off.

To put things simply--this is not you, with your own reads, taking input from townreads that you respect the ability of, but ultimately having your own reads. (The town you.) This is you, with your own agenda, trying to manipulate others into following it. (The scum you.

This did ring true. I am sorry mastin. I put you in "tunneling me? hmmph" mode and that is pretty unlike me. I will post something better when I return! Also

where the hell did VARSOON go?

[Nachomamma8]

i also miss him.

[Nachomamma8]

mollie, i thought nick's reachout to you looked townish.

[Faster Than Light]

Toilet.
I went to Buffalo Wild Wings and man, it ran through me.

What's up?

[nickthename]

._. Why am I still alive.

Why wouldn't you be alive? Did you expect to be lynched, or night killed, or what?

Lynched

Why did you expect to be lynched?

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

i don't think anyone cared about the hammer itself, more about the fact you were clearly still following the thread but not posting content... which i mentioned... and you never really addressed.

I followed vote-counts near deadline. I hammered b/c I didn't think anyone else would and I was going to sleep.

you never addressed his point here.

you were following and posting on other parts of the site but showed up for a lynch.

and did not show up for the intermediate terms.

there is a whole space missing.