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Post Post #3275 (ISO) » Mon Sep 02, 2013 5:01 pm

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bnb wrote:but the spectrum of players I want to pull in is small compared to where they are floating on the edges and it shouldn't feel that way. ns is obviously town and when I get in that small space of who to mebbe draw in, mastin may feel that way, mebbe mala, mebbe aj, mebbe nacho. mebbe ghostlin. I am also paranoid about all of those players.
this is how i feel about the game in general except for the five people i mentioned as town in #3249 (who i am almost willing to bet are town, or at least i have reasons that i think are very good to think these players are all town and if i'm wrong, then i'm dumb).

i have this gut feeling that nick and mala could both be town, and this is making me more paranoid of what's going on in this game because it means i'm really, really wrong about some people who i think are town.
trust fund wrote:I'm telling you that's shit and he needs to be in your town until cop guilty says otherwise pile.
no. but i don't think it matters because i won't be able to push a lynch on him any time soon even if i'm completely wrong in my paranoia.
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Post Post #3276 (ISO) » Mon Sep 02, 2013 5:02 pm

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In post 3269, Venmar wrote:Majiffy y u no think i am town
cos you aren't.

you are hitting all of the wrong notes and you just....aren't.
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Post Post #3277 (ISO) » Mon Sep 02, 2013 5:04 pm

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For the record, Phase 1 of my gambit doesn't need to lynch Mala so much as it just needs a lynch on anyone that Nick (and preferably Nacho) have read/pushed as scum. Mala's a good choice, given the relation to the two and the dichotomy there.

Other lynches that fit this bill that I'd be happy to push through: Mac and
maybe
Andy. But I like Andy. And more folks have interacted with Mala than Mac.

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Post Post #3278 (ISO) » Mon Sep 02, 2013 5:09 pm

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mutley if you nked ftl I am pretty sure you would be given another pass. just saying
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Post Post #3279 (ISO) » Mon Sep 02, 2013 5:11 pm

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In post 3276, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:
In post 3269, Venmar wrote:Majiffy y u no think i am town
cos you aren't.

you are hitting all of the wrong notes and you just....aren't.
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Post Post #3280 (ISO) » Mon Sep 02, 2013 5:13 pm

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In post 3278, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:mutley if you nked ftl I am pretty sure you would be given another pass. just saying
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Post Post #3281 (ISO) » Mon Sep 02, 2013 5:14 pm

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In post 3278, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:mutley if you nked ftl I am pretty sure you would be given another pass. just saying
ftl bro or mala would all be nice
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Post Post #3282 (ISO) » Mon Sep 02, 2013 5:14 pm

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bnb wrote:mutley if you nked ftl I am pretty sure you would be given another pass. just saying
muttley is supposedly 1-shot (which is why i think if he's town, the way he used this shot was atrocious)
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Post Post #3283 (ISO) » Mon Sep 02, 2013 5:15 pm

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In post 1738, Ghostlin wrote:
In post 1701, zMuffinMan wrote:tl;dr

@ghostlin

who are you currently reading as town/scum?
In no particular order:

Town:
Muff, FTL, NS (duh), Des, Mastin, BnB,
thezmon (gut, mostly, but he's posted mostly town; worth mentioning I had Saki as a scum read, however)


Leaning Town, but not there yet:
Nacho: some of his later content dispells my earlier concerns, but not enough to show the utter commitment and town leadership he showed in Xeno 1. I won't say he's hedging his bets necessarily, but he's taking a something of a passive role.

Mac: Is difficult for me to read. I spent a lot of time in Xeno 1, Day 1 on the useless predicate Mac was scum, and he wasn't that game. He's playing similar enough that I'm comfortable he's probably not scum.

SoS: They go here after their reads post on the players I asked for. They were null (which I'll get to, I promise) but there's enough Town reasoning, even with my wariness of hydrae reading, I can float them here. Their posts have been sound, but have lacked a certain amount of -oomph-.


Null
: AJ: I'm not sure it's lack of posts of lack of him saying something useful, but AJ stays in this kind of dangerous spot. Nothing's he's said has struck me one way or another.

Nickthename: I'm agnostic about Nick. Everything I've read -sounds- Town, but I see other players don't like him, and like AJ, I'm not impressed.

Scum (with strength of read next to it; not in any order, however)
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TF (weak scum to null): Still giving them shit after that joke I like to call 'supporting Skull on the Mastin lynch without reading it's actual content.' That's probably the most glaring error, but it was almost akin to calling Skull Town without actually calling them Town. I'm also mildly suspicious they felt more ok when I called them out on it, and have been one of the most vocal critics of the Mastin wagon.

Venmar (weak/gut): Something about Venmar makes me uncomfortable. It might be the sheer eagerness of the Mastin wagon, it might be a few other unnameable factors, but I don't like him for town. At all. I concede, that out of the next three people I'm going to talk about, maybe one will be a voting concern.

TD (weak): Nothing's jumped out and bit and it usually does with TD's play after the early wagon this game, and the flail was bad. But it was still the kind of read you have early Day 1, so it's entirely possible I'm still being unfair. It was kind of like 'gee, thanks' when he joined the Skull wagon, you don't trust gifts from scum reads.

Andrius (weak): Yes, I do read Andrius as weak scum here. Something about his play seems off. He's not as...dedicated or playing it up as much as he was in Xenosaga, and he's not even really bothered to make even perfunctory excuses about his absence. The wagon's a little popular, tho', and there's likely to be one scum on it.

Mala (medium): Mala's too aggressive and has had direct fights with at least me over what stuff in her personal lexicon means after she's accused people of misconstruing her comments. Which leads me to believe, instead of a more muted, or a 'I don't care what you think', she cares VERY much what you think. After a point, calling people on direct misreps from you seems like you actually give a fuck what others think of you. I actually look for this 'tell' in certain arenas of play, and it seems Mala's a very...populist candidate.

RachMarie (medium): The only detraction I have from this wagon is it's very popular, and Day 1 wagons that are popular are almost always driven by scum in some way, shape, or form. This isn't the Rach from Harry Potter, her reads are weak and we had to take them out of a back hoe, and she seems badly off-target, as if she's subtly changed her play, is off target here. You know how people often accuse others of being too helpful? She's ringing the not helpful enough catergory. Also 'I always play this way' isn't a defense, it's a line of comedy.


Mutley/Skull (strong): Skull did nothing, asked inane questions and used them as jumping boards; acted in the laziest possible manner to Town an didn't release coherent reads. If that slot's not scum, then it's incredibly poor Town.
Using this as the baseline to explain changes in the reads. There were changes I explained eariler in a previous post, but seeing that at least one of them involves a dead player that's now flipped, these aren't entirely inaccurate.

Reads that have changed:


Moving Townward:


Mutley/Skull (now weak Town): Mutley hasn't done anything incredibly protown except claim Vig and shoot Saki. Actually, that's incredibly protown and puts him in the weak Town bloc mostly due to activity. I'd love to see Mutley scum hunt, but I get low profile play at this juncture for him.

Andrius (null--ish): Not comfortable calling Andy either way. His last burst of drunk posts helped his case, but he's not really done much since then.

Going Down:


Nickthename (weak scum): ...Everything that sounds Town seems to be manufactured right now, and I don't like, am not comfortable with his activity Day 2. Maybe it's the paranoia everyone else has got. Although let me make one thing clear: vs. him and Mala, I'd rather Mala. Any day of the week.

Des (null/scum and falling): His entry and his entire work Day 2 is atrocious compared to Day 1. Seriously, dude, it's like you've not read the thread at all when you came back from your only 36 hour hiatus.

The thing that's really bothering me about my reads is they're not solidifying. Granted, I guessed Rach as scum correctly, but that's not going to help when I have to make a determination between a number of weak scum folks, who I want to focus and prioritize on.

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Post Post #3284 (ISO) » Mon Sep 02, 2013 5:16 pm

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In post 3282, zMuffinMan wrote:
bnb wrote:mutley if you nked ftl I am pretty sure you would be given another pass. just saying
muttley is supposedly 1-shot (which is why i think if he's town, the way he used this shot was atrocious)
tell me more

who would you have used it on
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Post Post #3285 (ISO) » Mon Sep 02, 2013 5:17 pm

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In post 3278, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:mutley if you nked ftl I am pretty sure you would be given another pass. just saying

Seriously?

Okay, fine, BnB. Keep talking about finding town, keep posturing and mouthing off and all of that.

I'm working cognitive gears, I'm coming up with ways to confirm people without lynching/killing them, and I'm actually doing it.

If your criticism is going to boil down to calling me stupid and asking someone to kill me,
then please keep it to yourself
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VOTE FOR MALA WITH ME AND PUSH THIS WAGON INTO THE SUNSET~
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Post Post #3286 (ISO) » Mon Sep 02, 2013 5:18 pm

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In post 3285, Faster Than Light wrote:
In post 3278, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:mutley if you nked ftl I am pretty sure you would be given another pass. just saying

Seriously?

Okay, fine, BnB. Keep talking about finding town, keep posturing and mouthing off and all of that.

I'm working cognitive gears, I'm coming up with ways to confirm people without lynching/killing them, and I'm actually doing it.

If your criticism is going to boil down to calling me stupid and asking someone to kill me,
then please keep it to yourself
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VOTE FOR MALA WITH ME AND PUSH THIS WAGON INTO THE SUNSET~
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Post Post #3287 (ISO) » Mon Sep 02, 2013 5:22 pm

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ghostlin wrote:The thing that's really bothering me about my reads is they're not solidifying
this is the issue i've been having d2 and it's primarily because the people i want to post to get better reads on are mostly not posting or posting very little.
bnb wrote:tell me more

who would you have used it on
saki was obvtown after rm flip due to thezmon's interactions with rm. i had some issues with thezmon d1 before i knew rm was scum, but after the flip, no. that was just a bad shot, even if a saki kill would otherwise be a joyous event worthy of celebration.

who i would have used the shot on (assuming i'm muttley, and not me, because i would have killed muttley)? any of the low content posters from d1 that make sense as scum with rm. bro would obviously be my first choice here. if that wasn't already blatantly obvious.
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Post Post #3288 (ISO) » Mon Sep 02, 2013 5:24 pm

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@Ghost:
The 'AND PUSH THIS WAGON INTO THE SUNSET~" part is super important to.
Bring your case.
Slam down on the court.

I've put in more work than any other player (for real, I've monitored this thread 24/7 since it began, sacrificed sleep, and put more words into all of my collective posts--words that actually meant something) than anyone else.
While I'm Charles Barkley of this game, I can't score this dunk alone. I need you guys to be my Olajuwon and my Drexler, to be my very own Houston Rockets~

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Post Post #3289 (ISO) » Mon Sep 02, 2013 5:25 pm

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I'm sorry, but every time someone says FTL I think for the lose
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Post Post #3290 (ISO) » Mon Sep 02, 2013 5:27 pm

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In post 3285, Faster Than Light wrote:
In post 3278, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:mutley if you nked ftl I am pretty sure you would be given another pass. just saying

Seriously?

Okay, fine, BnB. Keep talking about finding town, keep posturing and mouthing off and all of that.

I'm working cognitive gears,
I'm coming up with ways to confirm people without lynching/killing them
, and I'm actually doing it.

If your criticism is going to boil down to calling me stupid and asking someone to kill me,
then please keep it to yourself
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VOTE FOR MALA WITH ME AND PUSH THIS WAGON INTO THE SUNSET~
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why isn't mala considered "people"?

cos last I checked you sure were interested in killing her.

and nobody is calling you stupid
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Post Post #3291 (ISO) » Mon Sep 02, 2013 5:27 pm

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ftl wrote:While I'm Charles Barkley of this game
you're like 0 for 1 in scum flips so far. how's that working out for you, mr barkley?
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Post Post #3292 (ISO) » Mon Sep 02, 2013 5:31 pm

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In post 3291, zMuffinMan wrote:
ftl wrote:While I'm Charles Barkley of this game
you're like 0 for 1 in scum flips so far. how's that working out for you, mr barkley?
Off-season. I laced up my sneakers and got back out on the court despite that.


@BnB: Oh, mala's people, too. However, I'd rather risk a mislynch on mala than on Nick (on a player-by-player basis, given how much I like them personally and how much they have contributed to the game and potential they have for further contribution) as of now. Also, regardless of the mala flip, I can use it as part of my gambit to divine BOTH the alignments of Nacho and Nick. Between Nick and Mala, I feel like there's scum. I've been putting all my bets on Nick. However, I stopped and thought about it--a lynch on Nick only provides us with Nick's Alignment. That's it. How could I approach this situation and be able to intrinsically get more out of it?
That's when I started to formulate my gambit.
And that's why it's awesome.

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Post Post #3293 (ISO) » Mon Sep 02, 2013 5:35 pm

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In post 3292, Faster Than Light wrote:a lynch on Nick only provides us with Nick's Alignment. That's it.
This is probably the most untrue thing you've said to date.
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Post Post #3294 (ISO) » Mon Sep 02, 2013 5:36 pm

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dis gon b gud
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Post Post #3295 (ISO) » Mon Sep 02, 2013 5:38 pm

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In post 3287, zMuffinMan wrote: saki was obvtown after rm flip due to thezmon's interactions with rm. i had some issues with thezmon d1 before i knew rm was scum, but after the flip, no. that was just a bad shot, even if a saki kill would otherwise be a joyous event worthy of celebration.

who i would have used the shot on (assuming i'm muttley, and not me, because i would have killed muttley)? any of the low content posters from d1 that make sense as scum with rm. bro would obviously be my first choice here. if that wasn't already blatantly obvious.
okay I get you. I really get you

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Post Post #3296 (ISO) » Mon Sep 02, 2013 5:39 pm

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In post 3293, Trust Fund wrote:
In post 3292, Faster Than Light wrote:a lynch on Nick only provides us with Nick's Alignment. That's it.
This is probably the most untrue thing you've said to date.
Except it is true.
Everything we divine after that is speculation based on his alignment and how others have played.

I'd rather go for a lynch that's just as likely to produce scum and far more likely to give town good info--info that informs the alignments of Nick and Nacho.

Three birds with one stone rather than one.


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IF YOU STOP BEING CYNICAL AND LET ME DO THIS,
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Post Post #3297 (ISO) » Mon Sep 02, 2013 5:40 pm

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Mollie where the hell do you get that emote

That is the best emote I have ever seen
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Post Post #3298 (ISO) » Mon Sep 02, 2013 5:41 pm

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AND I COULD SHOW YOU WHERE THEY'VE WORKED BEFORE, BUT IT IS AGAINST SITE RULES.

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Post Post #3299 (ISO) » Mon Sep 02, 2013 5:41 pm

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In post 3279, Venmar wrote:
In post 3276, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:
In post 3269, Venmar wrote:Majiffy y u no think i am town
cos you aren't.

you are hitting all of the wrong notes and you just....aren't.
PM

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