Mini 1482: Castle - A Mafia Murder So Vile (GAME OVER)

[waynegg]

Mala just said the game isn't normal, it's just not bastard!!!

Ughhhh

Where

For the record it was stated that this was not a bastard game and it has been reviewed for balance.

I do not mod bastard games.

And fair enough Nat. That threw me off though.

[Bert]

For the record it was stated that this was not a bastard game and it has been reviewed for balance.

I do not mod bastard games.

Not bastard =/= normal

ffs

[waynegg]

FG vaguely alluded to you being a Cop, but he never actually outed you. You did that yourself. Plenty of players would have missed exactly what FG was saying without this

He hardlly alluded to it, he outright stated I was softclaiming cop. At which place, I found it better that i just confirm the statement and hope a doc(or Bodyguard...) could protect me.

Ah. 1911. Skimmed over that.

[Malakittens]

3.07

with nine alive it will take five to lynch.

*waynegg -
*Sweet Pertayter -
*FakeGod -
*Mantisdreamz - Desperado, FakeGod, Serrapaladin [3]
*Serrapaladin -
*Desperado - Natirasha, Mantisdreamz, waynegg [3]
*Bert -
*Natirasha -
*penguin_alien -

Not Voting 34]: penguin_alien, bert, Sweet Pertayter

Chapter 3 Ends..

Day 3 ends in (expired on 2013-09-19 12:55:00)

[waynegg]

For the record it was stated that this was not a bastard game and it has been reviewed for balance.

I do not mod bastard games.

Not bastard =/= normal

ffs

But it doesn't not not equal normal either. Based on the question I asked her and the answer I received I was left with the impression the game is normal. And based on the wiki

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Normal_Game

If it ain't bastard, it's normal.

[FakeGod]

It might be themed, no?

[FakeGod]

Theme*

[waynegg]

And I don't think the normal v bastard v whatever conversation is going to help find scum, so can we move on?

Pedit theme =/= not normal. But yeah, I guess you could take that viewpoint.

[Natirasha]

I agree that this game is likely to not have Tarhalindur/reckoner/Vi style roles.

I also agree that it likely may not adhere to the normal game rules.

[waynegg]

I agree that this game is likely to not have Tarhalindur/reckoner/Vi style roles.

I also agree that it likely may not adhere to the normal game rules.

Maybe this will help. I concede the point. Can we get back to finding scum now?

[waynegg]

Or we could just lynch scum in Desparado and find more scum tomorrow. He would have already called me scum for all the doubt I threw on him if he wasn't scum.

[Natirasha]

Yes please, lynch Desp.

[FakeGod]

Lynching mantis is the best lynch for town today, hands down. It gives so much information to the town.

Mantis flips scum = Desp is town, and Nati is almost conf scum.

Mantis flips town = Desp is scum, and Nati + Potato is almost conf town.

Wayne, I'm not saying you should believe Desp.

I'm just saying that lynching Mantis will give us the most information.

[Bert]

Why does lynching Mantis give more information as compared to Desp???

[Mantisdreamz]

speaking of sounding fake serra...

VOTE: Mantis

I'm pretty sure this is the right lynch for today.

what, did you go through the obligatory motions of questioning desp, while knowing what conclusion you were going to come to anyway

[FakeGod]

Mantis flips scum = Desp is town, and Nati is almost conf scum.

Mantis flips town = Desp is scum, and Nati + Potato is almost conf town.

vs.

Desp flips town = Mantis is scum, and Nati is almost conf scum

Desp flips scum = Mantis is null, and Nati + potato is almost conf town.


If Desp flips scum, it gives no info on Mantis.

Mantis's flip either way gives info on Desp.

[waynegg]

Lynching mantis is the best lynch for town today, hands down. It gives so much information to the town.

Mantis flips scum = Desp is town, and Nati is almost conf scum.

Mantis flips town = Desp is scum, and Nati + Potato is almost conf town.

Wayne, I'm not saying you should believe Desp.

I'm just saying that lynching Mantis will give us the most information.

Fallacy. Any scum lynch gives equal information because connections can be drawn from the lynch. I also find it less likely for Mantis to be scum than Desparado. Not that I don't see Mantis as scum, because I can see that. The difference is that I

do

see scum in Desp.

[Mantisdreamz]

Nati, if desp is scum, do you think he came up with leaving you alive and claim a guilty?

I could see any of you, FakeGod, or Desp bringing that idea up.

scum in (desp, penguin), serra or fakegod then.
i really can't believe bert is scum. and no way mollie/waynegg is scum

[FakeGod]

Wayne, trust me on this one.

If mantis does not flip scum, I give you my word that I'll lynch Desp tomorrow.

[Mantisdreamz]

You CAN give neighbours any ability you want. Mantis claimed to be JUST a neighbour though.

i never claimed JUST
it was only just now that i said i have no night actions, after scum-desp came out with his as waynegg put it "gogogo lynch"

look

Serrapaladin makes good points. Plus mollie generally reads Mantisdreamz well, and I trust her read here.

Mantisdreamz, intent to hammer. Claim, please.

Sweet Pertayter, if you're around, what changed between #513 and #597 on WRT Mantis?

neighbour with wisdom. it's unknown whether he is town or scum. ( i am town)

[Mantisdreamz]

Wayne, trust me on this one.

If mantis does not flip scum, I give you my word that I'll lynch Desp tomorrow.

isn't that obvious? giving your word... why say that.

[FakeGod]

Fallacy. Any scum lynch gives equal information because connections can be drawn from the lynch. I also find it less likely for Mantis to be scum than Desparado. Not that I don't see Mantis as scum, because I can see that. The difference is that I

do

see scum in Desp.

But you're looking at it from a biased point of view.

You're assuming that Desp will flip scum.

[waynegg]

Wayne, trust me on this one.

If mantis does not flip scum, I give you my word that I'll lynch Desp tomorrow.

That's an extremely easy statement for anyone of any alignment to give given how Desp started today. Fail.

Mantis has posted a crap ton more than Desp. I'll give you that but quantity does not equal quality. Desparado has more relational connections than Mantis. Mantis is really only strongly connected to Wisdom, who despite looking scummy as all get outs flipped town. He flipping town makes me strongly suspect you're scum with Desp, so why should I give any credence to what you say?

[Mantisdreamz]

Then stop sounding so fake, mantis! :/

@wayne: mantis claimed not to have a night-action. Stop being stupid.

That was a hypothetical. I even said hypothetical. That's to illustrate the Desp would have no clue what his target did, just who he targeted. Now don't twist my words or I might think you're trying to trick me.

Your hypothetical doesn't mean jack shit because Mantis had already claimed not to have an action, and the possibility of a 3rd visiting town role is low enough that it isn't worth consideration. For all intents and purposes, I know Mantis killed Wisdom.

this was the only time i admitted to not having an action Desp
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p5291472

[Mantisdreamz]

My big deal with Desp's tracker claim is this

"The Tracker is an informative role that can target a player at Night and learn who, if anybody, that player targeted the same night (but not the action the player performed).
Trackers have been seen as each alignment.
This version of Tracker, and only this version of Tracker, is considered Normal on mafiascum.net."

He wouldn't know what night action Mantis took, only who he hypothetically targeted. Wisdom was such a turd, I'm sure he would have had all kinds of targeting N2. The way Desp came in with the go!go!go! Kind of tone reeks of scum. That's undeniable.

Impossible. Mantis had already claimed neighbor.

Desp knew that mantis cannot possibly visit anyone if Mantis was telling the truth about his role.

Therefore, Desp knew that he had a guilty coming into d3.

Reply?

There's nothing which precludes neighbor from having an addition role other than the fact that Mala told me this is a normal game. By your own statement, Mantis couldn't target anybody for anything and Wisdom did flip neighbor, ergo Mantis is also neighbor. Mantis could be scum, yes but if he's neighbor he probably doesn't get to input the kill. That would most likely be some other team scum member.

thank you.