Mini 1496: The Cash Cabd (Game Over)

[FuDuzn]

Sorry, weekend was busier than I envisioned. I honestly don't know if I will get to this game before tomorrow.

[Saki]

Hardlurking

lots going on

[Rebel Without a Pulse]

I pointed that out to Stubbs! <3

Yeah, well I'm not getting town read that easily.

Maybe, maybe not.

Nacho what do you think of Dessew?

I think Dessew is town. I think that some bits of his thought process are awkwardly transparent (I won't respond to you because it would look too weird), and some of his attacks are pretty clearly geared towards scumhunting (such as his sorting out of HC), so I'm pretty good with the mole thing for now.

i don't think him not backing down means much.

Fair enough.

btw, what's your read on ns? is there a reason you're still voting him?

No, not really. I don't have any pushes I feel particularly strongly about at the time of my last wall, and I'm not an unvoting type.

Since the "cat" is out of the bag anyways

hahahahahahaha

I can't be the only one bugged by that middle paragraph. It looks like he's trying harder to SEEM townish rather than find scum.

Hmmm.

I metadived his completed scum game this weekend.

What did you find?

He's expressed more interest in disrupting my game than in figuring me out.

I've told you that I'm going to be playing more transparently than I usually do for Stubbs's benefit. I think that is pretty much the opposite of disrupting your game, no? I mean sure the meta might look a little different, but my play this game will be most effected by my hydra partner and not by you.

It would be cool though, if people refrained from giving this "be anti-town" card out so often.

I don't like wasting my time, and I feel that public shaming for playing anti-town is a waste of my valuable time when I can lynch scum instead.

Hate to be a pain, but I'd like to answer that question after Rebel accepts my invitation.

However, it's hard to gauge FuDuzn's flailiness when he's not posting.

Are you inviting me to a party??

Accept: Invitation

[Rebel Without a Pulse]

TOWN:
SoS
Rail Tracer
notscience

LEAN TOWN:
artemiskitty
Brian Skies
HopefullyCynical
Dessew
Humble Poirot


LEAN TOWN (but considerably less so):
FuDuzn
Brian Skies

LEFTOVERS:
Mario and the Diamonds
Saki
Daniel Bryan

[Rebel Without a Pulse]

Right so poking someone a bit about the way a post was worded is obv scum tell now.

I hate early game time, no one is catching scum from a couple posts, you aren't that good.

This frustration about people looking too far into things and getting convinced too strongly about things seems like a towntell in the early stages; not only is he failing to blend in, but he's bitching at others for trying to scumhunt and do things. That seems surprisingly ballsy from Fu-scum.

Rail, explain my anti town intentions in my questioning? Enlighten us all as to how they are scum and not town motivated?

It is early Day 1, people were still stuck in stupid rvs and rqs or being overly concerned about the hydra infestation in this game, I chose to question a player about something that seemed a big off to me. When they didn't answer my question in a way that satisfied me I prodded a little bit.

Again, explain anti town motivation.

I will not back down from this and will question everyone who is voting me, and those who are apparently too scared too vote me(and that isn't a scum tell?),until I get a solid explanation about this.

This, especially the last quoted line, seemed like Fu was drawing a line in the sand, in a way, which reads as an attempt to shut down all the ridiculousness of the people posting in early game. I liked that quite a bit, and it has nice trajectory with his previous mindset in mind. "OH YOU FUCKS ARE TOO SCARED TO VOTE ME" is interestingly suicidal, but I see scum going for early ballsy plays like that in chatmafia as opposed to forum mafia where they actually have to take a step back and explain themselves.

In this game it is more about the forest, not the trees.

I chuckled at this because of a conversation we had a while back where you said these exact words. I don't think FuDuzn as scum would be likely to start this type of lecture with you and I'm not really sure that he would really have a goal with the whole "let me teach you mafia" line as scum. It's not like he has a distinct reputation advantage in this game or something like that.

Ok SOS, I [don't] get really get a bad vibe from you. Though trying to reads purely off of meta is a bad strategy imo.

Those piggybacking off of SOS's weariness of me, scum in there me thinks.

And mod, shut it. I told you I couldn't tell you what to do

Here, he backs off you (because he's scared? scum-FuDuzn hasn't been showing many signs of fear) and starts to look at others suspecting them. This reads a lot like he's sorting out his primary antagonist, and then when he's satisfied on that front, moving in on other people.

To those leading my wagon, answer my damm question please. To those sheeping, I am getting ready to vote one of you.

If I am lynched, the blood will be all over one of the sheep.

This screamed town. The last line alone means I won't be able to vote him today, most likely.

[Sound of Silence]

Are you inviting me to a party??

Close.

*ties nacho to the chair*

Now I'll leave the rest to fery.

[Sound of Silence]

Nacho y do u have Brian in two places

[Rebel Without a Pulse]

The only thing that stuck out to me was Rebel's attempted interactions with the mod. The likely-joking tone didn't fit in at all with the content of his posts and that struck me as odd.

It's odd, yes. What's stranger to me is that you didn't pick it out to be a joke.

Interpreting this post, it (somewhat) makes sense to translate it as "oh, since I need to throw out solid reads on players to make people think I'm trying to find scum, I'll give the name of a player who has just enough posts for me and others to remember their name, but not enough posts for people to disagree with me on the inactivity callout. I'm not looking at the playerlist at all, since only accusing specifically Fegelein for lurking shouldn't garner too much attack."

Here, Mario tries to say that HC's choice of attacking Fegelein over other lurkers was somehow special and that it made him scummy in a significant way? In particular, suspecting him for attacking a lurker with "just the right amount of posts" seemed contrived.

Sorry if you want to appeal to me now, but I'm most likely going to tunnel you for the rest of the day with limited evidence that other people won't understand, and rely mostly on my gut and what I believe was your most likely train of thought at the time of your scummier posts. I'm a tone and voice player; if it sounds scummy when read to myself, I will see it as scummy in its original context as well.

I didn't like this post because it had very strange parts joking/not joking. "I'm going to tunnel you" was a joking tone but sets up for him making a poor push. "I rely mostly on gut" was the not/joking portion, but all that seemed to do was explain why he wasn't going to see him as town even if he probably was. And it makes no sense for me for a player to realize they tunnel too much, announce they are going to tunnel even though they don't seem to believe they are passionate and then ???.

pedit: I forgot to delete him when I moved him from one section to another. It seems fitting now.

[Rebel Without a Pulse]

Vote: Daniel Bryan

I personally will speak on this subject later. Stubbs gets first dibs because he found him first, though.

[Sound of Silence]

Which is the spot you moved Brian Skies to?

[notscience]

GIF I know ffery was trying to sort Nacho, where are you at on him?

[Sound of Silence]

town

[Brian Skies]

OMG! I'm so behind on this thread. I'll post my reads and current thoughts/concerns (if any, there should be some) as soon as I catch up. I've just been avoiding this game because I got a little annoyed repeating myself over and over about what I wrote when people keep misinterpreting/misrepping it.

[Rail Tracer]

hm.

Unvote
Vote: Daniel Bryan

[Rail Tracer]

This post?

Well its ironic that Rail Tracer has been accusing HP of hiding behind the hydra discussion when the attempts at scumhunting are there and the only reason HP keeps talking about hydras is because Rail Tracer keeps bringing them up. Makes sense? Also, what is iioa?

Ik Brian, whats problematic here is that you initially didnt say anything about his hydra statement until people said they didnt agree with some of it, your post agreeing to a part of it looks like it supports the whole statement.

Idk what it is, but I feel like notscience is too agreeable here, Im getting a light scum read on his slot. I dont like his attack on kitty by saying that they have 14 posts, ergo they must be scum.
I think he may have a point about Dessew but Im having a gut scum read on him.

the thing you missed, or neglected to comment on here, is the first part of the post. the rest of it is meh as well, but the first part is pure commentary that really stood out as pointless commentary.

[Sound of Silence]

Pretty much all the discussion that in any form mentions hydrae makes me want to spin the scroll wheel at this point.

[Saki]

lynch all hydrae

[notscience]

VOTE: Dessew

HI GIF HI FFERY HI NACHO HI MALA (kitty in name obv mala)

Upon reading, I agree with HP's statement about hydrae (although admittedly I do it myself).

I'm liking Fu SoS and HP For town thus far

Fu because the selfdefeatism is something I've seen all over the place thus far coming predominately from town

SoS because they're trying to interact and get reads on people (such as nacho) that they want to get sorted out

HP because I like some of the ideas he's brought up, the whole "hydrae are harder to read tidbit" seems like a townslip. He addressed it early rather than save it for later and try to use it against someone which feels incredibly protown. Plus, I was like "omghao2readhydrae" my first game with one in it (I was town)

DB is leaning town because his wall looks really good, it has some nice points. There's also a town-vibe I'm getting, but he has only had that one post so that's why he is only in leaning atm. One pro-townpost does not a town make.

Dessew is feeling scum to me. He voteparks for a reason, says "I want to see him react" (which in and of itself kills all reactions) and then his reason- "I was reactiontesting." It also feels like he's more into calling people town and not trying to find scum.

Mario feels weird. He's not under any fire and yet "If you dont like when I post just lynch me" seems very forced. Like a forceful way of trying to say "I don't care if I die"

Kitty is leaning scum. It seems for someone with 14 posts they only have 1 townread and 1 scumread. It kinda looks like they're trying to buddy up to fu.

Saki is VERY SLIGHTLY leaning town for me because of the reaction test.

Brian is leaning scum, I don't really see any stances from him. He's discussing but not presenting any reads. Most of his stuff is based around hydrae which is weird to me. Keying in on hydrae and no reads add up weird in my head.

Rail is null for me.

Nachohydra looks town, based on vibes and points that were brought up that I agreed with upon reading.

HC is null for me as well, mainly because I misread him last game and want to see more from him to compare.

Moved Nacho up some more on the town spec

HC and Mario are now both null, and Rail is moving to town for me

Nacho can you walk me through the DB case please

PEdit Saki is moving down to leaning scum btw

[Saki]

lynch all hydrae

IM TOTALLY FUCKING SERIOUS ABOUT THIS NOTSCIENCE
LIKE 100% FUCKING SERIOUS
I'LL QUIT MAFIA IF IT DOESN'T HAPPEN
(/obvious sarcasm)

[Rail Tracer]

Pretty much all the discussion that in any form mentions hydrae makes me want to spin the scroll wheel at this point.

it's not the mention of hydras that's the problem, it's why he brought it up.

[Brian Skies]

Here are my game notes from my notepad (sorry for the weird alignment). I still need to sort HP. I've been skipping a lot of his posts because of the giant walls of text. And I want to get this out there before something huge happens and I need to change the details for a bunch of my reads.


*I don't know if the early "hydra treatment" comments from HP and me are preventing the hydras from being
as transparent as we would like them to be. So right now, I'm giving them benefit of the doubt in terms of
lurking and general lack of content. Especially since they seem hesitant to post anything without consulting
their partner.

RT

- Strong townread. A lot of his early content revolved around hydras (but not because he wanted to).
Has been actively generating content and poking around the other players. Has been looking at the big
picture. I don't see any clear scum motivation right now.

SoS

- Leaning town. General lack of scum motivation up to this point, seems malleable, and I'm getting good
vibes from this slot.

ak

- Leaning town. I'm impressed with the iso given the general lack of posts. Has only posted a few reads,
but they don't follow the general concensus, which I think is a good sign. Has mostly been pressuring
SoS, which is good considering SoS was pressuring Fu and a lot of the attention was placed elsewhere.

RWaP

- Leaning town. I've been getting good Nacho vibes for most of the early game. The slot's recent activity
makes me lean town.

NS

- Null. I liked the catch-up post, even if it was done pretty roughly. Is willing to offer
information to help get a better read. I need more content though (previous slot-holder didn't
generate anything worthwhile).

HC

- Null. Newer player. Expresses many of the concerns I had regarding hydras before this
game started. I do think it's suspicious that it was so difficult for him to grasp the benefits of
a hydra without them being told to him, but for the most part, it seems genuine. His vote on an
inactive player seems like something I would do. He seems hesitant to take his own stances without other
people's opinions. But, I'm pretty sure Cabd mentioned something about a replacement.

Fu

- Null. Hasn't done much, if anything, in helping the town develop reads but has been spending
most of his time defending himself. Although I don't like his reaction and AtE, I do find the reaction
to be pretty genuine.

DB

- Null. This read is slightly biased. He was originially higher on this list. I liked the transparency in
his catch-up post. He also seems to be pretty busy. But despite the amount of content available in the
thread, he seems fixated on very specific, surface type issues. As opposed to my point of view, I
believe he has some misconceptions about what has happened in the game (Post #239). And I don't
particularly like Post #240.

Des

- Null-scum. Post #62. What scum content? I do like his reaction to Nacho in post #114. Post #172: You
got nullreads on RT, HP, AND me from all our content? There must be a lean somewhere. Still wrapping my
head around this slot. I'm suspicious of possible piggybacking and buddying throughout this game, but
I don't know how much of that actually points to scum.

Mario

- Null-scum. I'm not liking how he only offers an opinion on HC. It seems very direct. His iso is small and
I'm not liking it as a whole. Discounting the read because he said he doesn't have a lot of time. I need
more information.

Saki

- Leaning scum. I'm not familiar with meta, but I'm not buying "fakeclaim=town." Not liking the
one-liners. Asks for V/LA on #56. Possible lurking afterwards (although I noticed townies tend to lurk
sometimes too). I need more information. More one-liners and sarcasm.

HP

- Unsorted. After re-reading post #107, I noticed that I completely missed the sincerity of his tone.
I swear I read it the whole way through the first time, but I think I tunneled and subconsciously missed
the important parts (probably due to frustration of reading through the linked game). I also like his
reaction to my analysis in #163. He seems to be having some misconceptions and I don't know if they're
intentional or not. Not liking the reasoning for his vote on HC at all. Still needs sorting because he
likes to post giant walls of text that I tend to just skip over. And I'm pretty sure there's still some
stuff in there I need to either analyze or address.

[Humble Poirot]

lynch all hydrae

IM TOTALLY FUCKING SERIOUS ABOUT THIS NOTSCIENCE
LIKE 100% FUCKING SERIOUS
I'LL QUIT MAFIA IF IT DOESN'T HAPPEN
(/obvious sarcasm)

@saki:

interesting that you felt had to clarify that something was a joke when people started calling you scum for your play.

What are your reads?

@rebel:

Do you realize you barely have any scumreads? You're either defending someone or finding someone to be town. In fact, your list doesn't even call anyone scum, you seem to put mario/saki/DB in some sort POE so I'll vote one of them. It's quite odd, if you ask me. Someone intent on scumhunting will usually have at least, one person he can call scummy.

[Rail Tracer]

i have a whole different category for saki outside of town/scum reads. it's called the saki list. i don't know quite how to deal with players on my saki list, except to PL them before LyLo if i can't find a reason to put them into my town list.

[Dessew]

Well, it was really quick and reasonable.

Not sure what you mean here. What was really quick and reasonable?

Nevermind, forgot you're a hydra for a moment.

TOWN:
SoS
Rail Tracer
notscience

LEAN TOWN:
artemiskitty
Brian Skies
HopefullyCynical
Dessew
Humble Poirot


LEAN TOWN (but considerably less so):
FuDuzn
Brian Skies

LEFTOVERS:
Mario and the Diamonds
Saki
Daniel Bryan

If my assumption is right, than you're reading Mario and Daniel as (leaning) scum, aren't you?

Here are my game notes from my notepad (sorry for the weird alignment). I still need to sort HP. I've been skipping a lot of his posts because of the giant walls of text. And I want to get this out there before something huge happens and I need to change the details for a bunch of my reads.


*I don't know if the early "hydra treatment" comments from HP and me are preventing the hydras from being
as transparent as we would like them to be. So right now, I'm giving them benefit of the doubt in terms of
lurking and general lack of content. Especially since they seem hesitant to post anything without consulting
their partner.

RT

- Strong townread. A lot of his early content revolved around hydras (but not because he wanted to).
Has been actively generating content and poking around the other players. Has been looking at the big
picture. I don't see any clear scum motivation right now.

SoS

- Leaning town. General lack of scum motivation up to this point, seems malleable, and I'm getting good
vibes from this slot.

ak

- Leaning town. I'm impressed with the iso given the general lack of posts. Has only posted a few reads,
but they don't follow the general concensus, which I think is a good sign. Has mostly been pressuring
SoS, which is good considering SoS was pressuring Fu and a lot of the attention was placed elsewhere.

RWaP

- Leaning town. I've been getting good Nacho vibes for most of the early game. The slot's recent activity
makes me lean town.

NS

- Null. I liked the catch-up post, even if it was done pretty roughly. Is willing to offer
information to help get a better read. I need more content though (previous slot-holder didn't
generate anything worthwhile).

HC

- Null. Newer player. Expresses many of the concerns I had regarding hydras before this
game started. I do think it's suspicious that it was so difficult for him to grasp the benefits of
a hydra without them being told to him, but for the most part, it seems genuine. His vote on an
inactive player seems like something I would do. He seems hesitant to take his own stances without other
people's opinions. But, I'm pretty sure Cabd mentioned something about a replacement.

Fu

- Null. Hasn't done much, if anything, in helping the town develop reads but has been spending
most of his time defending himself. Although I don't like his reaction and AtE, I do find the reaction
to be pretty genuine.

DB

- Null. This read is slightly biased. He was originially higher on this list. I liked the transparency in
his catch-up post. He also seems to be pretty busy. But despite the amount of content available in the
thread, he seems fixated on very specific, surface type issues. As opposed to my point of view, I
believe he has some misconceptions about what has happened in the game (Post #239). And I don't
particularly like Post #240.

Des

- Null-scum. Post #62. What scum content? I do like his reaction to Nacho in post #114. Post #172: You
got nullreads on RT, HP, AND me from all our content? There must be a lean somewhere. Still wrapping my
head around this slot. I'm suspicious of possible piggybacking and buddying throughout this game, but
I don't know how much of that actually points to scum.

Mario

- Null-scum. I'm not liking how he only offers an opinion on HC. It seems very direct. His iso is small and
I'm not liking it as a whole. Discounting the read because he said he doesn't have a lot of time. I need
more information.

Saki

- Leaning scum. I'm not familiar with meta, but I'm not buying "fakeclaim=town." Not liking the
one-liners. Asks for V/LA on #56. Possible lurking afterwards (although I noticed townies tend to lurk
sometimes too). I need more information. More one-liners and sarcasm.

HP

- Unsorted. After re-reading post #107, I noticed that I completely missed the sincerity of his tone.
I swear I read it the whole way through the first time, but I think I tunneled and subconsciously missed
the important parts (probably due to frustration of reading through the linked game). I also like his
reaction to my analysis in #163. He seems to be having some misconceptions and I don't know if they're
intentional or not. Not liking the reasoning for his vote on HC at all. Still needs sorting because he
likes to post giant walls of text that I tend to just skip over. And I'm pretty sure there's still some
stuff in there I need to either analyze or address.

Kitty's iso isn't impressive, only a few comments with very little weight and a case-like thing on SoS.
In #62 I meant that 2/3 of his posts were "I do something but I actually don't"-like.
#172: Your activity was mostly hydradiscussion if I remember correctly. But yes, if I get stuck, it's really hard for me to develop reads.
You actually say that you skip posts from HP, although you had to sort him out. Hmm.

[Mario and the Diamonds]

Late prod-dodge.

Obligatory response: inactivity is not lurking, and inactivity is not a scumtell except in the case of newer players who don't know how to play as scum. I am an alt, and while you have no confirmation of any of this reasoning applying to me, simply trust in the fact that an individual would not wish to be known simply as "Mario and the Diamonds" for everything they do on this site.

I think Saki is town. Yes, this is a meta thing, though I'm not 100% convinced that I can read him this well yet.