Open 521: Jungle Republic (Alright. We'll call it a draw)

[elleheathen]

444

[TheIrishPope]

wut

[theaceofspades]

basicly she thinks you're scum because fuzzy was NK'd and he was after Klick. You replaced Klick, therefore you're scum.

[TheIrishPope]

If that's what you think, elle:
Player X tunnels Player Y calling him scum for all of Day 1. They are both Town.
Player Z, taking advantage of the situation, nightkills Player X to frame Player Y.
See the exception to your misconception?

[theaceofspades]

i didn't say it was a STRONG case......

[elleheathen]

Uh no - let's not speak for elle. The above was a reference to my post in 444, where it explains my thinking on why I might find TIP scummy, here:

@ those reading BOOM as town: Why?

I found that really surprising, especially from Yggdra Union. I was reading that hydra as mostly town up until that. Coming from TIP, it was less surprising because I could definitely see Klick (now TIP) as scum if just for the self-vote at L:2. I think I'd have been more inclined to let that go if it wasn't for the fact that Klick made it look like he was self-voting and giving up but then came back later saying he was doing it to provoke a reaction.

Now, I think we all thought that fuzzy's NK was weird but combined with the above and the fact that fuzzy's main case was against klick, all I can surmise from it is that either:

This kill was because of that main case on Klick and didn't want to see it repeated on D2 or that the kill was just because they were going for who was most likely to be considered town, if only 'newbtown'. I'm leaning the former.

The post is pretty self-explanatory. I can't fathom why anyone is reading BOOM as town so I ask the people reading BOOM as town, why they're reading BOOM as town. As it is, without explanation, I find these reads scummy, as they seem out of nowhere. I find it surprising from Yggdra, who I was reading as town, but not so much from TIP/klick slot, who had been flipflopping for me, and state the reasons why I could actually see this as a scum move from TIP.

@TIP, I understand the WIFOM. If you'd actually read the post, you'd see my own version of the WIFOM for that and what I thought that night kill could mean.

Your response in 447 made me think you'd actually

read

the whole post - and was disregarding what I'd said about you/klick slot, as opposed to scanning the read on BOOM. So when you came back with 'trust what your scumread says', it pinged really weird - but if you didn't read why I think you were possibly scummy, it'd at least explain that part of the response. I'm not sure yet if I should believe that or not. But I suppose that might explain the other ping on why you would want to redirect to my null reads when given four scum reads, if you hadn't read any of them besides the one you addressed with BOOM.

Ffffff.

Hrm.

IF

that were true, that would make me think of you as helpful town trying to get discussion going. So. Before going to my nulls reads, what do you think of my two other reads in that post?

[TheIrishPope]

Yeah I hardly read walls
So I suggest you skip the walls, because everyone else does as well

That being said, I didn't read 455

[elleheathen]

Okay.

That being said, my vote stays.

[1baldeagle1]

Sorry guys, been busy with other games.

Elle, your vote on TiP is bad, he's playing like town. I meta checked him.

Also, elle, why is BOOM null/scum for you?

[Om of the Nom]

Okay, elle is 99% town so nobody should attack her or else.

[elleheathen]

Unless you're going to specify what meta he has that clearly differentiates this as town play as opposed to scum, saying that is pointless.
My read on BOOM is in 444.

[1baldeagle1]

Om, why are you WKing so much?

VOTE: Om of the Nom

Elle, I can't explain the meta thing now, but, he's giving me a town vibe too. I meta checked to confirm.

[Om of the Nom]

Om, why are you WKing so much?

VOTE: Om of the Nom

Elle, I can't explain the meta thing now, but, he's giving me a town vibe too. I meta checked to confirm.

Because I'm keeping my townreads alive?
Like seriously wouldn't it be in my best interest as town to keep other townies alive?

[theaceofspades]

? bald eagle. are you seriously this nuts?

[1baldeagle1]

? bald eagle. are you seriously this nuts?

Go look at my Newbie game, I lost to scum because they WKed the crap out of me and someone else.

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

basicly she thinks you're scum because fuzzy was NK'd and he was after Klick. You replaced Klick, therefore you're scum.

While not a strong case, this is a case. I'm not here or there since we had almost no activity from Klick on D1. So it's not safe to say that because of Fuzzy's Klick-fishing, that TIP would retaliate in such a way. Especially when Fuzzy was all about the inactivity, and clearly TIP is active.

Okay, elle is 99% town so nobody should attack her or else.

Or else what? You're partnering up with Elle hardcore right now and I don't like that at all

But on the other side of the spectrum...

Om, why are you WKing so much?

VOTE: Om of the Nom

Elle, I can't explain the meta thing now, but, he's giving me a town vibe too. I meta checked to confirm.

So I can understand a teensy bit, what's WK'ing.
Putting that aside, Eagle...you are all over the field. Give some more reasoning as to why you're voting against Om, AND I'd like to see an explanation on your "meta thing". Just because someone has a pro-town meta, doesn't mean they're aligned as such.

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

Edit:
The first section depends on when TIP replaced Klick. I can't remember if it was D1 or D2. If D2, I retract my statement.

[Om of the Nom]

Or else...I will be annoyed :P
I'm not "partnering up" with anyone, I'm just trying to work with my townreads and get some cohesion in this group.

Also WKing is white knighting.

[TheIrishPope]

Sorry guys, been busy with other games.

Elle, your vote on TiP is bad, he's playing like town. I meta checked him.

Also, elle, why is BOOM null/scum for you?

This is bullshit, this isn't my town meta
VOTE: baldeagle

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

Or else...I will be annoyed
I'm not "partnering up" with anyone, I'm just trying to work with my townreads and get some cohesion in this group.

Also WKing is white knighting.

Not sure i can get behind those answers, but you're not appearing to be scum.
And gracias for the info. Though I'm seasoned with the game, I'm a newbie with the jargon

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

Sorry guys, been busy with other games.

Elle, your vote on TiP is bad, he's playing like town. I meta checked him.

Also, elle, why is BOOM null/scum for you?

This is bullshit, this isn't my town meta
VOTE: baldeagle

WOAH

hold the phone..so we should be looking at you like you're scum? Would that be an accurate statement?

[TheIrishPope]

I'm saying it isn't my town meta

[Lord Mhork]

Gnomeo and TrumpetKing have been prodded.

EDIT:
TrumpetKing is V/LA. This prod has been retracted.

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

I'm saying it isn't my town meta

So let me get this straight

-Be IrishPope
-Play a game of mafia
-Player false reads my meta
-lolwtfbbq this isn't even my town meta
-AggroVote

That makes PERFECT sense

You can't argue against a lack of logic with a lack of logic. Or am I missing something really big, here?

[TheIrishPope]

I'm voting him because he lied about reading my meta