Xenogears Mafia (Game Over)

[BROseidon]

Mastin, why would wayne being blocked bode poorly for AJ?

[waynegg]

Mastin, why are you claiming Wayne got roleblocked?

[waynegg]

And FTL, how many is Mastin up to now?

[TiphaineDeath]

yeaaah, I don't like how slow mala's wagon is moving, makes me think she might actually be scum.
VOTE: mala

[borkjerfkin]

Mod: if an X-shot role is roleblocked, is their shot refunded?

My policy on this is to disclose, to individual role recipients, how their role works in a bubble. I do not make public any of my action resolution policies or other idiosyncrasies like the above. I will always inform an X-Shot role how many shots they have left, were one to exist.

[borkjerfkin]

Votecount 3.4

[6] Malakittens (BROseidon, zMuffinMan, mastin2, Ghostlin, Aj The Epic, TiphaineDeath)
[1] Aj The Epic (waynegg)
[1] BROseidon (Venmar)
[1] Desperado (Mac)
[1] Faster Than Light (Desperado)

[6] Not Voting (Nachomamma8, Malakittens, notscience, Trust Fund, Andrius, Faster Than Light)

With 16 alive, it is 9 to lynch.

Let me know if you see any problems.

Deadline is in (expired on 2013-09-25 10:00:00)

[Malakittens]

Here Mastin, here's the link. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=25151

From what I remember I was lynched and mislynched because I wasn't puttin effort in. Along with the fact I wasn't wantin to vote two people who turned out to be mafia in the end.

[Malakittens]

yeaaah, I don't like how slow mala's wagon is moving, makes me think she might actually be scum.
VOTE: mala

Okay, that's cool.

[Faster Than Light]

Mastin, why are you claiming Wayne got roleblocked?

I'd like to see this answered and explored a bit, as well.

And FTL, how many is Mastin up to now?

x 8 turned sideways.


Hey, don't know if I welcomed you to the game yet. Things are slow right now. I feel like, given your interaction, the day is going to speed up a bit.

Still don't like Mala, but that's in my back pocket now. Gotta get things done today.

I'm a bit unsettled by your "No, I had two shots" reveal. I don't really like working with exclusive information and forming decisions based on that. Can you prove that you had a second shot your slot used on AJ? How do I know you're not just scum trying to cause confusion? It certainly seems like the perfect kind of gambit, to claim you shot someone and then go "Welp! Something's amiss!" and direct blame and stuff. That said, I've never seen a scum dayvig, so even though I like to entertain the possibility, I've been roughly reassured in the past that it just isn't a scum role.

-V

[Faster Than Light]

Basically, Waynegg, what I want to know is your purpose behind revealing you were a 2-shot and why you decided to also reveal that the second shot didn't go through.

-V

[Malakittens]

He's not a dayvig though? He's a regular night vig? I'm not sure where you are getting he's a "dayvig" from. I have seen a scumdayvig, I have seen towndayvigs, I have played townvig, but I have never seen a game with a scum vig other than my offsite. I'm sure it would play out differently, idk.

[Faster Than Light]

@Mala: You're right, I'm stupid. I meant 'vig'. I guess it'd be fuckin' overt if he was a dayvig.
Are there any other ways scum could get two kills in one night?
It can't be a case of someone impaling on the PGO, because the only night deaths have been Vanilla Town, right?

Where the fuck is Nacho?

-V

[Malakittens]

I would have to double check in regards to the role. All I know is there's a scum role for a vig that my offsite used, but I'm not even sure they picked it up from Mafiascum I think it was a EM role or something else.

He's on V/LA.

[Malakittens]

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... Variations

Only thing that is somewhat close to a vig for scum. For all we know it could be an SK pretending to be a x-shot vig?

This is too close to WIFOM for me. So I'm just going to stop here because I'm not sure how speculating on this is helpful.

[Faster Than Light]

No-no-no-no-no.

Bork said there was only one anti-town faction in the game. There can't be an SK.

I agree, speculation on PRs is trouble. That's why I hate dealing with claimed PRs, it's a huge can of worms.

-V

[BROseidon]

For all we know it could be an SK pretending to be a x-shot vig?

This is mod-confirmed one-faction scum.

[Trust Fund]

Waynegg/Muttly slot is close to confirmed town. I've gone over this.

[Faster Than Light]

This game contains two factions, the

Nisan Alliance (Town)

, and the

Solaris Empire (Mafia).

@TF: Then I want to know the purpose behind his recent line of questioning and the reveal.

[Malakittens]

Then stop trying to mud sling a slot.

I agree, speculation on PRs is trouble. That's why I hate dealing with claimed PRs, it's a huge can of worms.

Then why bring it up at all if you think it's trouble?

[Trust Fund]

This game contains two factions, the

Nisan Alliance (Town)

, and the

Solaris Empire (Mafia).

@TF: Then I want to know the purpose behind his recent line of questioning and the reveal.

It's waynegg. I don't bother trying to figure out what he's doing. Whatever the fuck he's doing, we'll know it by the end of today. He's all but confirmed town, so I'm jsut going to let him do his thing. It worked out in xenoblade.

[Faster Than Light]

Then stop trying to mud sling a slot.

I agree, speculation on PRs is trouble. That's why I hate dealing with claimed PRs, it's a huge can of worms.

Then why bring it up at all if you think it's trouble?

I'm not the one who brought it up. Can's been opened. I'm just doing my part in putting a lid on it.

-V

[Malakittens]

Wayne, pretty sure those aren't cop claims, they're clears for other reasons. Let's not get the claims out quite yet if players aren't ready unless you think you've got a "guyinfreezer is soooo PR" kind of vibe going on again.

It's not that. Mastin blatantly claimed Cop and then cleared Venrob. There was no reading between the lines. Muttley actually had 2 shots instead of the one he claimed and shot AJ last night. AJ is still alive, hence the bulletproof.

And yeah, lets kick scum butt and perhaps work on the friend thing in the process.

I don't see a reason for you to want to out AJ's role, tbf.

~

@NS: I'll get to your comment in a second.

[waynegg]

Basically, Waynegg, what I want to know is your purpose behind revealing you were a 2-shot and why you decided to also reveal that the second shot didn't go through.

-V

Because the second shot Muttley took hit what appeared to be a BP and the only way I could reveal that would be to reveal the other shot.

[waynegg]

Wayne, pretty sure those aren't cop claims, they're clears for other reasons. Let's not get the claims out quite yet if players aren't ready unless you think you've got a "guyinfreezer is soooo PR" kind of vibe going on again.

It's not that. Mastin blatantly claimed Cop and then cleared Venrob. There was no reading between the lines. Muttley actually had 2 shots instead of the one he claimed and shot AJ last night. AJ is still alive, hence the bulletproof.

And yeah, lets kick scum butt and perhaps work on the friend thing in the process.

I don't see a reason for you to want to out AJ's role, tbf.

~

@NS: I'll get to your comment in a second.

When and hiw rarely have you ever seen town BP? There's already been suspicion on the AJ slot and I see no reason to not make the result public for others to chew on.

[Aj The Epic]

AJ ~
Just two questions.

What's your definition of "to incriminate"?

Why were you bulletproof N2?

I personally prefer lexical definitions, and as such: To make one appear guilty of a specific crime.

Considering that there's about no chance of you being scum, I mine as well just claim. I'm a one shot bullet proof townie, who actively tried to get shot night 1 to remove that benefit. I wanted to remove any ambiguity because I had/have strong reasons to believe a traitor exists in this game and my role's job was to add a counterbalance to it. Not only do I have a strong reason to suspect much, but this is generally the key reason a bullet proof townie is added in (I can point a few games I was in recently with the same role).

Unfortunately, I received no notification to recognize anyone having removed this from me. I can, however, show a trail of crumbs I left to try to get this removed and how it has affected my logical progression through the game.