A uPick of Ice & Fire - Day 12 - #REKT?

[macmollie]

so goat is on your team yeah?

[Eddard Stark]

"

Who knows more of gods than I? Horse gods and fire gods, gods made of gold with gemstone eyes, gods carved of cedar wood, gods chiseled into mountains, gods of empty air... I know them all. I have seen their peoples garland them with flowers, and shed the blood of goats and bulls and children in their names. And I have heard the prayers, in half a hundred tongues. Cure my withered leg, make the maiden love me, grant me a healthy son. Save me, succor me, make me wealthy... protect me! Protect me from mine enemies, protect me from the darkness, protect me from the crabs inside my belly, from the horselords, from the slavers, from the sellswords at my door. Protect me from the Silence." He laughed. "Godless? Why, Aeron, I am the godliest man ever to raise sail! You serve one god, Damphair, but I have served ten thousand. From Ib to Asshai, when men see my sails, they pray.

"
– Euron "Crow's Eye" Greyjoy

Day 1, Vc 16

PrideandJoy (1) -

Amrun

kanyeknowsbest (3) -

Andrius, ooba, PeaceBringer

elleheathen (3) -

Garruk Relentless, kanyeknowsbest, Thor665

quadz08 (6) -

Shadoweh, StupendousMan, Benmage, macmollie, Cephrir, Nautilius

Amrun (1) -

Tierce

ooba (4) -

Alfred Borden, quadz08, Goat on a Raft, PrideandJoy

StupendousMan (1)-

Tammy

Thor665 (1) -

Zdenek

Not voting (4)

- Messiah Complex, SafetyDance, Syryana, elleheathen

With 24 alive it takes 13 votes to lynch

• Deadline Date: 1st of October at 17:05 EDT
  
• Deadline Countdown: (expired on 2013-10-01 17:05:01)
  
• Thor and Benmage are V/la

If there are any VC mistakes please let me know

[Nautilius]

so goat is on your team yeah?

man i put in the extra effort specifically so you would work with me

[macmollie]

how is asking you about goat not working with you?

[Nautilius]

so goat is on your team yeah?

man i put in the extra effort specifically so you would work with me

AKA I'm putting in the time so ain't nobody getting me lynched day 1. You can pretend I'm town if you need to but it will be easier for all of us if you just work with me and push this scummy group of players in tandem.

pedit: you asked if he was on my team
my only team is the team of faith and i don't got faith in that kid

[Nautilius]

Lots of fluff posting without much content. His vote/unvote of elle seemed really awkward. However, at this point it's mostly a gut read. I still have some reading to do, so this may change.

You weaken your vote with your gut read and "lots of reading to do". Why would you have lots of reading to do so early in the game? Why didn't you call it a gut read?

and i know you gotta do reading but the most important part of early game is not the reading but the talking
talk to me
show me your mafia skill

[macmollie]

stup is kinda good so you will have to do better

[Syryana]

Hi guys

-f

[Amrun]

Also, people were jumping to claim it being a scum slip that the scum team were made up of wights, which is impossible. Faraday picks roles first in upicks. Then he picks alignments. A wight could be town, while Rob Stark could be scum.

What do you think of what Tierce and Shadoweh said about this?

Anyway, I don't buy that the mods would have informed the miller about the presence of non-standard cops, so Thor's miller claim looks bogus,
- I'm a miller, but you could still investigate me as town.

Unvote
Vote Thor

This is the most bullshit vote I've EVER seen in my life.

ANY MILLER RETURNS TOWN TO NON-STANDARD COP ROLES, OR IT IS THEN NOT A MILLER BUT SOMETHING ELSE (ie a universal miller, a gravedigger, etc.)

Saying so is not giving additional information and suggesting this is like, blowing my fucking mind. I need to sit with this a bit because my initial reaction is to call zdenek scum for this because he's not a fucking idiot, but it might be kneejerk there.

This quadz wagon is lame. ooba is better. elle is town.

thor will sort itself out.

[Nautilius]

This quadz wagon is lame. ooba is better. elle is town.

hence the prideandjoy vote amirite

[Nautilius]

stup is kinda good so you will have to do better

yeah that was a lame reach out
but he's given us a couple lame posts
even?

[Amrun]

This quadz wagon is lame. ooba is better. elle is town.

hence the prideandjoy vote amirite

What does any of that have to do with my pride and joy read?

[quadz08]

there is not a thing scummy in any of that behavior. Not a thing. It could go either way.
compare that to KKB's behavior which demonstrates wagon jumping... now if people tell me that is his normal town play, fine, and when I have time it may be concerning enough to meta check...

I disagree with everything you just said. Including the fact that wagon jumping is scummy. (And yes, this is yelling town-kanye.)

- My reads are my content

says he "still" reads elle as town

after not mentioning outside of 331

- elle is the first read on my "initial readslist"

"then a couple of scumreads after Thor explicitly asked him to point out some scum for him"

- This is a misrep that makes it sound like I never mentioned scumreads before this - kanye and Shadow were also mentioned in the "initial readslist" (although Cephrir and Garruk reduced on the scummy meter in the few pages in between)

- AlfredBow has not mentioned me anywhere except for the vote - so wanted to know why he thought I was scummy

-Reads by themselves are not content.
-I stand corrected on that point.
-That was not the intent of that particular quote, though I can see how it could be taken that way when read alone. The entire quote, which was "he has generated no actual content; his only reads were the initial readslist, his townread on elle, and then a couple of scumreads after Thor explicitly asked him to point out some scum for him" remains standing on its own merits, and a chunk of it taken out of context does not equal the whole.
-There are other instances of the same thing occurring in this game; why does the vote on

you

matter more?

I mean, I guess that Faraday could just flavor the scumteam as wights, but it doesn't seem like Faraday, especially when there are definitely a couple of explicitly undead characters that could get picked.

Why did this matter again?

Because of my headspace when calling out Elle for the "scumslip." That post absolutely matters in context.

I don't put a ton of stock in my meta of players, but I just remember you being confident to the point of obnoxiousness. It stuck out in my head so felt it was worth mentioning. Plus, wanted to see what your response to being called out on it was.

I sorta liked this.

k

interesting.

In what kind of way? In a "they are both town" or "they are both scum" or "one is scum" kind of way?

None of the above. In a "this is something to keep in mind depending on future events" kind of way.

I am extremely concerned that Andy is scum faking a Post Restriction, but that's :tinfoil: and has nothing substantiating it.

Seems like a pretty scary thought to me too.

not sure if srs, but my point here was that Town have

no reason

to fake a post restriction.

Amrun leaning scum
Zdenek feels scummy

Why?
And why didn't you vote either?

Gut feelings while reading the entire thread. And I didn't feel strongly enough about either to warrant a vote.
That said, upon re-reading Amrun's ISO, I think what pinged my scumdar is actually her scumread on P&J. Dunno why, but it is. Upon re-reading Zdenek, I don't like his votes on either Kanye OR Thor. Kanye is clearly town-kanye here, and he voted Thor due to the particulars of his claim, which is just off-the-wall ridiculous to me at this stage in the game when we know nothing about the setup. It feels like scum latching onto something that looks sketchy, even thought it's not actually scummy.

ooba, on the other hand, is someone who keeps making me go AHHH every time he posts and then I promptly forget about him in the sea of Not Shitty Posts that surround his play

ooba is town but feel free to bring words into this to prove me wrong

k

Off to work see you guys this evening!

[Nautilius]

What does any of that have to do with my pride and joy read?

you aren't pushing it and most people are calling them town
my first expectation is that you're looking for a nice wagon to jump on

Kanye is clearly town-kanye here,

You're that sure about this read AND you expect town-Zdenek to pick up in it? Why?

[Amrun]

you aren't pushing it and most people are calling them town
my first expectation is that you're looking for a nice wagon to jump on

Why would you ever have an "expectation" for that?

My feelings on PnJ have not changed, but nothing new has happened there and not commenting on the common happenings in the thread is ???

[Nautilius]

Town:
Me!
Tammy
P&J

so pnj is town. many of my town reads agree about many of my town reads so im pretty happy w. the game right now.

PrideandJoy - Null, Leaning Town

I guess what I'm trying to get at here is that a lot of people disagree with you but you ignore them and keep trucking along because you expect some magical revelations to come your way or something?

[Amrun]

If what I've already said on the matter hasn't inspired people to vote for Pride and Joy, repeating myself like a broken record won't, either. If Pride and Joy continues to strike me as scummy, I'll point out scummy things as they occur. I don't even understand the style of play you're advocating, but it's safe to say it isn't mine.

[Zdenek]

All the people giving Thor possible responses are irritating me to no end.

[Zdenek]

macmollie, has mac posted yet?

[Amrun]

All the people giving Thor possible responses are irritating me to no end.

I didn't really think of this, so sorry. But it's really hard not to respond when you say something so preposterous, like, say you got a cop innocent on someone and voted them because that's suspicious. It's just too baffling not to say anything.

[Nautilius]

macmollie, has mac posted yet?

he posted the first one, didn't post anything else.

[Zdenek]

All the people giving Thor possible responses are irritating me to no end.

I didn't really think of this, so sorry. But it's really hard not to respond when you say something so preposterous, like, say you got a cop innocent on someone and voted them because that's suspicious. It's just too baffling not to say anything.

There is a fairly big difference between being targeted by a tracker (and showing up as having targeted everyone who died) and showing up an innocent to a cop, and I don't see how Universal Miller contradicts anything that I've been saying.

Seriously, Thor said that he would show up as town to non-regular cops, not to a tracker, not to a role cop (of course scum miller is lolzy, but the point is that it's not him coming back as town).

[Zdenek]

Quadz, why the KKB town read - I mean is it more than just meta or can you direct me games of his that will clarify what you're thinking?

[Amrun]

What do you think "non-regular cops" means?

[Zdenek]

What do you think "non-regular cops" means?

It could mean a lot of things, I guess, but I have no idea what a non-regular cop that returns town investigations results is.