Xenogears Mafia (Game Over)

[Antihero]

ITT, scum are frantically trying to make me "not confirmed" because they're hosed otherwise.

[Trust Fund]

First this:

Also, I lied. So there's that~

Can we link Varsoon to this game after it's done to demonstrate how to properly execute a reaction test?

And now the story changes to this?

I don't like the bro tie to tf

You mean that awkward as reaction test Cabd pulled on me that literally did nothing?

Yeah, real "tie" there...

[Aj The Epic]

@AJ: Waynegg's tenfold points against you (not just today, but D3 as well), why are you so sure there's a traitor in this game? Why do you keep insisting on it despite points that've been brought up that show there's no proof for it? Wouldn't 1-shot BP be the perfect claim for a traitor who converts to the scum-team when shot? You outright went for Mala and Rach's throats on D1, which would give them good incentive to want to NK you, too. I remember you trying to incite scum to target you on N1, but I don't recall any real crumbs towards BP. Can you show me them? Are you the traitor? What's your role? Full-claim.

Forgive me if I seem to have missed any and all of waynegg's 'points' against me. I really labeled him as a VI once he went off about the 'incriminate being too soft a word' bullshit. As for how I know, I've tried to be a blunt as possible, but apparently you've missed it. I was told that there was a traitor in this game. From who? Who knows. Figure that out yourself.

Why in the hell would I crumb BP? I crumbed cop, BP would be counterproductive. Mala already hinted that she 'jailkept' (Aka blocked) me night 1. I doubt this is a lie because she had a role and she tried to use it. It's easier to tell a half truth about where you went than an outright lie, so I stand by that she DID block me N1 and there was no reason for an absorbed bullet (all kills accounted for). Waynegg claims muttley took the shot n2. Why? Who the fuck knows. I can't imagine what was running through his head other than an affinity for shooting town.

My full claim still stands as it did yesterday: 1 shot bullet proof. The speculation was never speculation, it was fact. I tried to spell this out, you missed it. But I don't understand any of the votes, really. I understand the suspicion, but everyone seems to have lost their ability to put something coherent together against me. Muffin has been arguing logic with me for the past day and I've done my best to show what i saw. That's not a case and I don't expect anyone to skate by on that. At least put some conviction behind your cases.

Wayneg, you replaced into a town slot but damn, you've got some flaws in your work here. You're pushing around all these spontaneous reads with no reason for a change. Someone asks you why two people aren't suspicious to you anymore, you say "Because they aren't suspicious". That gives us a lot of ideas of what you're thinking. More importantly, the 'lynch Aj' campaign you're putting on has about as much thought as a third grade brainstorm tutor session. Your "Bro, andy, aj" read? Awful. Seriously, where does any of that make sense?

[waynegg]

he went off about the 'incriminate being too soft a word' bullshit.

That's not at all what I said. Try again

[BROseidon]

First this:

Also, I lied. So there's that~

Can we link Varsoon to this game after it's done to demonstrate how to properly execute a reaction test?

And now the story changes to this?

I don't like the bro tie to tf

You mean that awkward as reaction test Cabd pulled on me that literally did nothing?

Yeah, real "tie" there...

There have been no tangible results to your reaction test. It didn't help shake any suspicion of me, nor did it make me more comfortable of your alignment in any way.

[Andrius]

wayne ignoring nacholynch makes me suspicious

Vote: nachomamma

this should happen
unless you want to lynch me first and figure this out the hard way

[zMuffinMan]

i cbf doing a full-on case right now because i'm lazy and lethargic but some basic reasons i think nacho is scum:

- poe. my town list is pretty solid. don't give a shit about people who are paranoid. i'm not going to question my reads here without good reason unless people in {nacho, desp, aj, bro} start flipping town.
- didn't like the way he sat on the nick vote and didn't really look like he wanted to move elsewhere felt like he knew it was a bad lynch but didn't care. one of the few interactions with nacho i had d2 was about nick (2969, 2970, 2972) and at the time i thought it was weird but didn't really think too much about it. later (3409) he talks about how majiffy has had enough time and he was going to put effort into the game, then he does a pbpa of aj and bro and... that's it. didn't really feel like he was trying to find scum.
- read progression on mala. cbf pulling it all up but just ctrl+f mala in his iso. goes from initially scum (for awkward reasons) to town town town for the rest of d1 to scum for unexplained reasons (and no real desire to pursue a mala lynch) to leaning town because molly townread mala (i think?) to finally mala being a "leftover" outside of nacho's town/leaning town reads.
- general coasting and active lurking since the latter half of d2.

there's also mastin's points about the way nacho was interacting with him and nacho's reads on certain players (especially venmar and TD). i don't put all that much stock into this as an argument, but it's still worth nothing.

if i get around to properly doing VCA, i'll talk a little about why i think that also points to nacho being likely scum (or at least, among the players that are likely scum from VCA). if i can be bothered, i might get to this later tonight. my brief thoughts on this are scattered throughout my iso, but most recently in 4361

[Faster Than Light]

I was told that there was a traitor in this game.
I crumbed cop.
At least put some conviction behind your cases.

1- I'm not going on a wild goose chase to give you what you want. Tell me how you know there's a traitor. The only way I can imagine you'd know is if the Traitor was in a QT with you and told you OR if the mod told you in your role PM. There's simply too much WIFOM here and most of the scenarios I can imagine either paint you as scum or a traitor.

2- Where did you crumb cop?

3- My conviction is that I find your traitor reveal to be incredibly suspicious. Your activity has been pretty lurky, but it's clear that you understand a lot about this game. You've pushed two confirmed scum right out of the gate, too, which I've explained makes sense if you're a traitor that gets recruited on NK. I've also exposed that your BP claim (BP who doesn't know when his vest is used) also speaks towards the possibility of being a traitor recruited on NK. You could easily explain away a nokill at night. Your 'cop crumb' also speaks towards being a traitor, because it would give scum incentive to kill you WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY giving other cops reason to counter-claim and get exposed via that process. As I see it, your play fits the perfect traitor MO, which is why I'm not going to vote for anyone else until I get answers.

[waynegg]

wayne ignoring nacholynch makes me suspicious

Vote: nachomamma

this should happen
unless you want to lynch me first and figure this out the hard way

So you think AJ is town?

[Faster Than Light]

ITT, scum are frantically trying to make me "not confirmed" because they're hosed otherwise.

Who do you believe is scum, Antihero?

[Faster Than Light]

Furthermore, AJ, if you knew there was a traitor, but you were town oneshot-BP, wouldn't the play be to crumb traitor so that scum would kill you in an attempt to recruit you?

That way, scum gets no NK and you can confirm the the whole game that you're town and that there's a traitor in the game.

The only reasons I can see for you playing the way you did is that you're scum OR (more likely scenario) you're a traitor.

[zMuffinMan]

actually, AJ should fullclaim, full rolename, character and how he knows there's a traitor

[Faster Than Light]

actually, AJ should fullclaim, full rolename, character and how he knows there's a traitor

This. I asked him to claim earlier but he only gave 'One-shot BP' as his claim.

I want a full claim as well.

[Aj The Epic]

I dislike "full claims" because of the possibility of infringing on mod ruling. That said, I am Fei Fong Wong, bullet proof townie AKA Reincarnated Contact. My role gives good reason for me to believe that a traitor exists in this game.

3- My conviction is that I find your traitor reveal to be incredibly suspicious. Your activity has been pretty lurky, but it's clear that you understand a lot about this game. You've pushed two confirmed scum right out of the gate, too, which I've explained makes sense if you're a traitor that gets recruited on NK. I've also exposed that your BP claim (BP who doesn't know when his vest is used) also speaks towards the possibility of being a traitor recruited on NK. You could easily explain away a nokill at night. Your 'cop crumb' also speaks towards being a traitor, because it would give scum incentive to kill you WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY giving other cops reason to counter-claim and get exposed via that process. As I see it, your play fits the perfect traitor MO, which is why I'm not going to vote for anyone else until I get answers.

Lurking is a product of time here. When I'm on, I post. I pushed two scum out of the gate because I knew mala was scum. I started that wagon, and joined Rach when Thez and Mastin suggested to go for her first. Is it smart for me as a traitor to kill off what presumably is about half the scum team? Not really. Is there a no kill to be explained away that scum doesn't account for? No. Waynegg punched a hole in my bullet proof ability and he's all but confirmed town. Therefore, the bp claim which came after he said he shot me makes no sense as a 'cover up scum no night kill" thing as the claim was reaction to wayneg's statement. Did I realize there were two cops? No. I also left the crumbs subtle enough I thought anyone not looking for a night kill would glaze over it. Even then, nothing I said indicatively said "I'm cop", moreso than "I have an investigative role", giving less chance of a counter claim there. The claim was quoted yesterday, but I'll find it again here:

Apparently, however, you have enough support that unless I really wanted to ram this case down everyone's throat, I'm just wasting my time on you. I will be going for something more solid. But Mala, inwardly you have to know this isn't your town game.

(This was one of two, the other was a reference that apparently no one got... admittedly, it was deeper than is generally run in a crumb)

Lol FTL, had I crumbed traitor, I would've been lynched right then. Good job me.

[BROseidon]

Mod: I will be V/LA through this Sunday

[notscience]

I'm not sure what to make of this claim.

[Andrius]

My role gives good reason for me to believe that a traitor exists in this game.

this is not sufficient


my role pm strongly hinted at the scumteam knowing that my role existed, but wasn't in bold so I wrote it off as flavor

[Desperado]

I dislike "full claims" because of the possibility of infringing on mod ruling. That said, I am Fei Fong Wong, bullet proof townie AKA Reincarnated Contact. My role gives good reason for me to believe that a traitor exists in this game.

Earlier you argued that BP = traitor because setup balance, but now you're saying you got role related info that a traitor exists. Which is it?

[Mac]

vote: nacho

nacho or aj.

nacho y u not town?

[Faster Than Light]

hey varsoon my man

i'm quite convinced that venmar was legit cop; his crumbs look really genuine to me

i mean. of course there's the possibility of him being scum and knowing beforehand who is scum and who is not so he can give easy "results"

but i believe in his crumbs.


@mac

considering that my cop role is pretty lame, especially with non consecutive, along with venmar's 2-time only cop role

versus a rach who can give fake rolez and a mala who can roleblock/redirect "Oh you got a guilty on NS! Oh my action was redirected i had no idea..."

yeah it seems pretty scum sided


aj says that "role pm says theres a traitor in the game"

because he got the traitor pm a-duh! How else would a mod inform you of a possible scum role?


VOTE: aj

if you think that desp is scumz vote him

because i think he is a better player than to tunnelz

[Faster Than Light]

i dont know what has gotten into me today all my s became z

[Faster Than Light]

varsoon and me are in sync

he has better reasons than me for why aj is scum

i explained to him about venmar townread. he agrees.


i dont like voting for nacho although it is one of the most suspicious things that nacho is being lynched. I mean I've never seen that before its like seeing your hero getting beaten up... not yet though


and i am not contributing to the lynch on nacho


i will vote for the 2nd most probable scum

[Mac]

question for TD:

when are you going to do anything

[Faster Than Light]

why do you ask a question that you know you wont get the answer to?

[borkjerfkin]

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