RT - brought up some good points, about him saying that he had HP as town... but yet, still put him in the 'need to hear from pile' as opposed to his town pile.. way back when.
but i think Nat's posts come across as genuine.. and like i said, his 875 kinda sounds like defeated town.. the whole "so be it"
it is definitely helping that he's got NS as scum. because i very much think NS is scum. if i'm wrong on that... i will have to re-adjust. but another reason i have Titus as town, is his take on NS as obvscum, as well... that combined with the fact of fuz's aTe.
what are your thoughts on Nat? you've been kinda back and forth/unsure?
I fell asleep after starting a conversation with you.
I keep coming back to town every time I review Nati.
RT is a strong town read though, and I think there's something to his VCA if nothing else. And that makes me doubt my Nati read.
I'm almost as concerned about your strong notscience read because I disagree with you, too.
This is making me wonder if my reads are just screwy. Usually when my reads are screwy, I have a scum player in my town pile.
I started the day with Mario and HC/ProHawk in my scumpile, and ns and Titus as null-and-falling. The thing that bugged me about ns was his calling out the lack of counterwagon and asking people if they were ok with that. Maybe that was a good town call, but it could also be scum knowing the impending flip and setting up to grab a little cred. When I said that his play late day 1 looking informed, that's what I was referring to.
ns day 2 has left me with a bit more of a town impression.
Of my townreads the one I feel least confident of is Nati. I just finished a game with town-Brian. In that game he came under fire on day 1, and his reaction to pressure was quite town. I don't think his reaction here is parallel, but the irritability over re-hashing the same stuff from day 1 again and again does look kinda town to me.
1) My first post had three things that jumped at me. It was hardly an attempt to say I had sorted everyone. You purport it like I ignored the rest of the game.
2) Post 482 is not fluff. Saying I'm unsettled by something is NOT fluff. It's saying something looks OFF to me and inviting others to comment to see if they see the same thing.
3) NS again attempts to pursue that my posts are fluffy and that I'm ignoring players. Hardly.
4) You are saying there's no pressure on your slot. Yet, you feel the need to trump up a case on me.
5) Yes. I did admit I want to push my scum read tomorrow to get lynched. Somehow you argue that's scummy. I'm not setting up anything. I attempted as hard as I could to get you lynched. When I knew that wasn't happening, I gave the town information.
6) Basically, NS's theme is that I'm not scum hunting, not pushing my reads, and not doing anything. Hardly. NS is not liking where my observations lead me. His overreaction is telling. Virtually nothing he said was accurate.
@RT, I'm saying it is possible you are scum with NS. Not certain. If you were scum with NS, your defense of me doesn't make much sense. However, you might be aware of the fact I'm suspecting you together and want to defend me a bit. Comments like ns is the least likely to be scum but being unwilling to have him in your town list create this impression (post 971 for reference). Mario, there isn't enough to read on his slot. I like Natirasha as town and see no reason to push him ATM.
@Cephir, I'll break your damn rule about not being near certain and shove it straight to hell. NS is almost certainly scum. If he flips town, go ahead and shoot me. I don't like your instance on me being scum when you should have realized that I hadn't even responded to NS's "case" yet.
NS's case was largely ignored while people kept pushing things anyway. This tells me there is massive distancing going on (because the scum know I am a mislynch) and the people who think I am town merely disregarded it. NS's wall shouldn't have been disregarded. That is a mistake.
SoS, I would recommend reviewing your reads if someone has done something screwy. People generally play to their win con, especially when there is little pressure on them.
In post 957, Titus wrote:SoS, I would recommend reviewing your reads if someone has done something screwy. People generally play to their win con, especially when there is little pressure on them.
1. It's not about someone doing something screwy.
2. You're just about the last person I'd take mafia advice from even if you were mod-confirmed town.
Why the hell would I be the last person you'd take mafia advice from? Your join date is even newer than mine, so I know that cannot be it.
I was presuming that you were a logical player taking the facts and interpreting them. Generally, if the facts don't match your reads... someone has done something screwy. Thus, a reevaluation is in order.
Titus wrote:Wow. NS that "case" has a shit ton of misrepping.
1) My first post had three things that jumped at me. It was hardly an attempt to say I had sorted everyone. You purport it like I ignored the rest of the game.
Coasting, which you admitted to.
2) Post 482 is not fluff. Saying I'm unsettled by something is NOT fluff. It's saying something looks OFF to me and inviting others to comment to see if they see the same thing.
Lolnah.
3) NS again attempts to pursue that my posts are fluffy and that I'm ignoring players. Hardly.
2.5 Non-null reads D1. So no. And yes, they were.
4) You are saying there's no pressure on your slot. Yet, you feel the need to trump up a case on me.
HAlf the people voting me aren't even commenting on me. Of the two who are, it's you and AK. And now you're trying to discredit me presenting a case on you?...
5) Yes. I did admit I want to push my scum read tomorrow to get lynched. Somehow you argue that's scummy. I'm not setting up anything. I attempted as hard as I could to get you lynched. When I knew that wasn't happening, I gave the town information.
You didn't even attempt. You had no case. You had nothing. You just asked lurkers to vote me.
6) Basically, NS's theme is that I'm not scum hunting, not pushing my reads, and not doing anything. Hardly. NS is not liking where my observations lead me. His overreaction is telling. Virtually nothing he said was accurate.
I just feel that there should be some town-motivation in Saki's posts. I should be able to look at something he did, and be like, "OH HE WAS THINKING THIS!" This is one of the reasons why I was so hesitant to lynch Saki in mismatched.
I mean, I could totally be wrong and looking too much into this. Saki could have just been hardlurking or not following along that well.
In post 952, Sound of Silence wrote:I just finished a game with town-Brian. In that game he came under fire on day 1, and his reaction to pressure was quite town.
I'm not happy about my reaction in that game. It wasn't classy at all and it's something I'd like to avoid in the future.
In post 959, Titus wrote:Why the hell would I be the last person you'd take mafia advice from? Your join date is even newer than mine, so I know that cannot be it.
because:
In post 0, Cabd wrote:3. Sound of Silence (hydra of GuyInFreezer and Fferyllt) Sound of Silence (
hydra of GuyInFreezer and Fferyllt
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I was presuming that you were a logical player taking the facts and interpreting them. Generally, if the facts don't match your reads... someone has done something screwy. Thus, a reevaluation is in order.
@NS, I NEVER admitted to coasting. My response was surprise that people were characterizing my posts as such. Again, misrepping. I did attempt. To do that. I was praying that lurkers would come out any lynch your slot. I replaced in at the tail end of the day. I didn't have the game figured out. You're expecting me to. That's bullshit. You want some scum reads. Try NS, RT and SoS as scum.
@SoS, are you going to do that reread or are you just going to say that I'm stupid because apparently I have fewer brains and haven't played as long. Logic is logic is logic.
@Brian, if the reaction helps your team, don't give two shits about how pretty or classy it is. Get things working first, then be classy.
In post 957, Titus wrote:
6) Basically, NS's theme is that I'm not scum hunting, not pushing my reads, and not doing anything. Hardly. NS is not liking where my observations lead me. His overreaction is telling. Virtually nothing he said was accurate.
I don't actually feel that you have successfully argued against his case. Quote for me where you've done something other than vote notscience.
In post 957, Titus wrote:@Cephir, I'll break your damn rule about not being near certain and shove it straight to hell. NS is almost certainly scum. If he flips town, go ahead and shoot me. I don't like your instance on me being scum when you should have realized that I hadn't even responded to NS's "case" yet.
Break away. I'll just keep scumreading you. I realized perfectly well that you had not responded to his case yet, and I don't care for the assertion that this is all my suspicion of you is based on when it came first. Also, I wouldn't especially have cared whether or not you responded to it if I agreed with it. Your response basically amounts to "nuh uh" anyway so I am hardly inspired.
In post 963, Titus wrote:@NS, I NEVER admitted to coasting. My response was surprise that people were characterizing my posts as such. Again, misrepping. I did attempt. To do that. I was praying that lurkers would come out any lynch your slot. I replaced in at the tail end of the day. I didn't have the game figured out. You're expecting me to. That's bullshit. You want some scum reads. Try NS, RT and SoS as scum.
@SoS, are you going to do that reread or are you just going to say that I'm stupid because apparently I have fewer brains and haven't played as long. Logic is logic is logic.
@Brian, if the reaction helps your team, don't give two shits about how pretty or classy it is. Get things working first, then be classy.
Your reads literally could not be worse. Are you supplying AK's drugs, or are you just scum? I suspect the latter.
What, am I not cool enough to get a reaction after you call me scum?
In post 807, Brian Skies wrote:I don't consider myself a strong Day 1 player and so far, Day 2 feels like Day 1 again.
You usually look pretty fucking town by the end of Day 1 because of your frustration with it, but you haven't really seemed that town here. This is concerning
In post 821, Rail Tracer wrote:i think brian skies is town. remind me to talk about why #811 was almost certainly a town post at some point later on today.
#811 did look townish, but I feel uncomfortable. Why do you think he's town?
In post 823, Sound of Silence wrote:Ceph inherited a slot I had as town. He seems to be doing something that I do with a few players if they happen to be in a game with me - using me as a sort of stake in the ground for judging other players' reactions. Given how cautious he was about me in the Dixon Hill game, this raises a small flag.
I agree with this.
In post 833, Natirasha wrote:The come chat sometimes was due to wanting to chat with them. Perhaps it was unfair to lump the HP slot in their, but that was worded in such a way as to deliberately not be much of a judgment of scumminess.
On the second point, once again, I was speaking in the hypothetical. I do that quite a bit.
I don't think you answered RT's concerns about you and Mario. If you actually wanted to policy lynch, I figure you'd call it a policy lynch and push it like a policy lynch but you aren't. Why?
What, am I not cool enough to get a reaction after you call me scum?
In post 807, Brian Skies wrote:I don't consider myself a strong Day 1 player and so far, Day 2 feels like Day 1 again.
You usually look pretty fucking town by the end of Day 1 because of your frustration with it, but you haven't really seemed that town here. This is concerning
In post 821, Rail Tracer wrote:i think brian skies is town. remind me to talk about why #811 was almost certainly a town post at some point later on today.
#811 did look townish, but I feel uncomfortable. Why do you think he's town?
In post 823, Sound of Silence wrote:Ceph inherited a slot I had as town. He seems to be doing something that I do with a few players if they happen to be in a game with me - using me as a sort of stake in the ground for judging other players' reactions. Given how cautious he was about me in the Dixon Hill game, this raises a small flag.
I agree with this.
In post 833, Natirasha wrote:The come chat sometimes was due to wanting to chat with them. Perhaps it was unfair to lump the HP slot in their, but that was worded in such a way as to deliberately not be much of a judgment of scumminess.
On the second point, once again, I was speaking in the hypothetical. I do that quite a bit.
I don't think you answered RT's concerns about you and Mario. If you actually wanted to policy lynch, I figure you'd call it a policy lynch and push it like a policy lynch but you aren't. Why?
