A uPick of Ice & Fire - Day 12 - #REKT?

[elleheathen]

The worst case scenario is we lose a miller that would have to be lynched at some point anyway.

false.

What crap meta are people learning these days.

I'm not going off meta - but I suppose if you hadn't read any of my earlier interaction with Thor, you wouldn't really get why I think that.

Thor is the best lynch.

I think he's scum but at this point, even if he's not at least we have

1)His claim
2)His final reads
3)And the best vca analysis we're going to get

The worst case scenario is we lose a miller that would have to be lynched at some point anyway.

1. Yes, because that's impossible to get.
2. ...oookay, how thoughtful of me to provide reads, if I'd known providing jack-all would make me less lynchable I would have done that. Oh gawds, the newb is so strong here.
3. ...and, hey, look, off my VCA is scummy Garruk...who is a wagon option, so...y'know...

This is really just an 'in comparison to the other lynch possibilities on the table thing' but to issue 3; and if Garruk flips town? There is

nothing

to analyze because it's all deadline votes. We don't have his claim and there's not enough to go on with 3 hours left of lynch opportunity so for all we know, he could be an

actual

town PR as opposed to a negative utility

miller

.
Same goes for ooba.

That's not what you actually do with Millers - you're just supposed to scumhunt them normally, not policy lynch them because you're unable to find scum without a cop holding your hand (or are Benmage - who may have that problem, what do I know?)

This isn't a normal instance, though. We've been over this but miller doesn't mean town and if I'm just to 'scumhunt you normally', I've already listed the things you've done up to now that have made me think of you as scum.

Whose worse, this town or the US govt.

lol. Depends on who else is actually town.

[Tammy]

@Tammy - the continued grinding on the SD nugget at this stage isn't helping things. Yes, I think we all agree on a conceptual level that people who aren't playing the game kind of need to replace out or get killed.
That said, repeating it ad nauseum and getting into fights with the dude as he defends his poor play is hardly that much higher on the amazing pro-town scale, amirite?

Demand him to be vigged and move on, or wait until he does something that can be called scummy and try to get a dog pile going. Everything else just won't be helpful right now.
I (sadly) kinda buy his play as coming from a town (if not pro-town) mindset, but that still means we shouldn't lynch him and also that you have to not debate that what he's done is bad, but show how it is actually scummy to advance anything here.
And it's not going to happen even then for the rest of Day 1, pretty much assured.

@Alfred - moreso than anyone else, I'd like to get your take on what Tierce did as regards pushing my lynch last page and how she did it via the logic she presented.

It's not necessarily that, and I'm not fighting with Alfred. It would be one thing if it was okay this derpy guy is probably infuriating town and he's not going to play but were not going to lynch him anyway so let's find someone we believe is scum. Because hey that I'd back any day. Lynching scum over likely town no matter how annoying is preferable any day.

My problem is it's okay let's argue that this guy who isn't playing needs to be saved but let's policy lynch the guy who claimed miller because of stupid reason x,y,z.

If you get lynched and flip scum ill dance a jig, and eat a little crow, but I'll still maintain the setup reasons were complete bs.

[Eddard Stark]

Day 1, Vc 53

ooba (5) -

PrideandJoy, AGar, StupendousMan, quadz08, Syryana

Thor665 (9) -

elleheathen, Benmage, SafetyDance, Zdenek, Alfred Borden, Garruk Relentless, Tierce, Shadoweh, Goat on a Raft

SafetyDance (2) -

displaced, Nautilius

Garruk Relentless (7) -

kanyeknowsbest, Amrun, Thor665, ooba, macmollie, Cephrir, Messiah Complex

Not voting (1)-

Tammy

With 24 alive it takes 13 votes to lynch

• Deadline Date: 1st of October at 17:05 EDT
  
• Deadline Countdown: (expired on 2013-10-01 17:05:01)
  
• Thor665 is V/la.

Under 3 hours until deadline.

[Benmage]

Blame the government... it makes life simpler.

Blame the mod.... it makes life simpler.

*spread arms wide* stem from mods inserting Post Restrictions, which aide creative scum who have a better idea of the game setup.

Scum miller claims, stem from mods using the Miller role. Which?? aide creative scum who have a better idea of the game setup.

tl/dr. Blame Faraday.

[kanyeknowsbest]

huh i was really hoping for more garukck votes.

[Benmage]

FYI Thor

miller claim is on Page 13.... plenty of time to make sure no real miller claiming in their OP, as optimal strategy suggests, thus limiting the chances of a counter-claim.

[kanyeknowsbest]

i hiope theres gonna be a lot of ppl around as wje get nearer 2 deadline cus i diont wanna nolynch.

[Benmage]

Then switch kkb, place it l-3.. Ceph should return... I think Tammy is floating about.

You don't have the garruk votes.

MAKE THE MVOE PLEASE god

its 2 1/2 hours out!

[quadz08]

*sigh* Ooba lynch clearly not happening at this point, and Thorlynch is better than Garruklynch for wagon analysis possibilities, even though I don't have strong feelings about either of them in practice.

VOTE: Thor

[PrideandJoy]

I'm doing no lynch or Ooba lynch. Clearly if two quick wagons on SD and Garruk come like this and both are town this lynch is suckville. Also If Thor somehow suspected amrun previously than I don't want to lynch him.

Chesskid might come and slap me but w/e.

[PrideandJoy]

I mean ooba is the only one I (chesskid) think could be scum

but I may hammer if I'm around...day one nl is awful

[Shadoweh]

I THINK WE SHOULD NO LYNCH
WE WOULDN'T WANT A TOWNIE TO DIE
PRO DAY 1 STRATEGIES

I'm out, just stop waffling and consolidate. This isn't the kinda place where 5 hours is enough.

[Benmage]

Yeah and with 2 1/2 hours.. your option is NL or Thor.

Opting for NL is disgraceful.

There is clearly no ooba lynching happening in 2 hours, if it hasn't happened yet and we are struggling for 2 freaking thor votes.

I mean.... pa-the-tiC

[chesskid3]

summarize for me
why the fuck ooba wagon died

who fuckign bitched out onto the bs wagons

[Tammy]

I'm here and deciding what I want to do.

If we lynch Thor and he flips town I'm going to

[PrideandJoy]

those 2 votes are town reluctance.

Because probably Thor is town

[PrideandJoy]

the ooba wagon died or something because people suddenly developed a slight town lean on him. somehow.

[Benmage]

Tammy its D1, I'd die before a NL.

Chess, figure it out tomorrow.

2ish hours

Next time try consolidating earlier... grab people by collars.. yeesh everyone's panties jump into a bunch when I try and hardnose the game.. And when I don't we rival the US govt.

[PrideandJoy]

Also Shadoweh you're scum aren't you.

[Tammy]

Well we had a wagon going on safety dance that fell to Thor and Garruck when safetydance "town told"

[Benmage]

Shadows votes on thor, if he was scum he'd probably unvote in conjunction with that i-dot statement.

[Tammy]

Tammy its D1, I'd die before a NL.

Chess, figure it out tomorrow.

2ish hours

Next time try consolidating earlier... grab people by collars.. yeesh everyone's panties jump into a bunch when I try and hardnose the game.. And when I don't we rival the US govt.

I wouldn't let it go to no lynch.

[PrideandJoy]

summarize for me
why the fuck ooba wagon died

who fuckign bitched out onto the bs wagons

Also SD is town that would be why he towntold tammy

[Benmage]

Well we had a wagon going on safety dance that fell to Thor and Garruck when safetydance "town told"

The Garruck wagon was comically bad. It would've been a horrendous speedlynch. Now if we got off Sdance a few days a go because people stopped twiddling their own isolated agendas, we could've had time to analyze Garruk.

[quadz08]

my god, ben, can you

be

any more obnoxious?