Open 521: Jungle Republic (Alright. We'll call it a draw)

[elleheathen]

Probably because

I don't think he is a wolf player.

[BOOMSHAKALAKA]

2 issues I have with an Aero lynch.

1) As much as he has been incredibly scummy, I really dont think a wolf would play like this in a lylo-ish situation. Im having a dillema of "too dumb to be scum" or "faking ignorance to remove suspicion". Wolf would be more active and try to earn the mislynch in a scenario like this anyway, so Im worried
2) Elle defending him. Im not sure if its a "lets find actual scum" thing or them being wolf together... :/

[Alduskkel]

This [Aeronaut's vote on Boom] is either a really awful wolf move to try and end the game or a really awful town move from someone that hasn't actually read the game. Given the empty promises, I'm leaning the latter.

[snip]

By voting me, you're screwing the town, pretty much, although I suppose anyone could say that.

No,

you're

screwing the town

if you're town

by flaking out and not helping us. If you're town, you didn't even read up enough to know that BOOM has been cleared by the seer, making your vote ridiculous if you're town because the only thing that BOOM can be atm is mafia, and if mafia dies right now, it's a werewolf win. Given that, the only way that it would be 'screwing the town' to vote you is if you were mafia.

But then, it's also this fact and the rest that make me think you might actually

be

town - because if you actually were a wolf, I feel like you'd have had these questions answered overnight by your wolf partner or that you'd have at least read up.
Also, another reason:

As for who I think is scum or wolves, just look at the wagon on me.

Is because he'd be implicating one of his wolfbuds here if he was wolf - it's not unheard of but I feel like he'd have provided reasons or ...idk, three reads if he were? Mostly a gut feel on this.

These are your reasons that Aeronaut is not a wolf, correct? I'll answer these in blocks (based on their division by Aeronaut quotes up there).

1. Like I said, I definitely think Aeronaut is just a bad wolf player. This isn't a case of "too scummy to be scum" or anything like that.
2. You can't assume that Aeronaut was filled in by his partner, or that Aeronaut would have been more motivated if he were a wolf. I would guess that Om is the other wolf, and given

his

inactivity, that he could realistically have NOT filled in Aeronaut, especially if Aeronaut failed to indicate that he wasn't filled in.
3. I don't really see what you're seeing here.

pedit:
@Boom:
1. No, seriously. Don't do the goddamn "too scummy to be scum" thing. TK was on three town wagons. Aeronaut is scum.
2. I don't think elle is Aeronaut's partner, I think it's Om. That makes more sense. Did you just forget Om or something?

[elleheathen]

VOTE: Om of the Nom

[Yggdra Union]

WHY THE FLIPPING HELL ARE YOU GUYS TRYING TO PREVENT THE MAFIA TO CLAIM IN EVERY FUCKING WAY POSSIBLE
GIVE ME A GOOD REASON WHY OR I'M TAKING THOSE AS A SCUMCLAIM
-L

[Yggdra Union]

AND YOU BETTER NOT GIVE ME THAT "OH IT AIN'T GONNA WORK" CRAP
AT LEAST Y'ALL COULD'VE FOLLOWED ALONG REGARDLESS OF WORKING OR NOT IF Y'ALL WERE ACTUALLY TOWN

[Yggdra Union]

@Boom: hint: scum can play terribly too.
Also you can't take the WK issue like its classic town v mafia.

In case you haven't figured out yet, Aldus is mafia for overdefending "hypothetical mafia."
That leaves Aero is either town or wolf.

If he's a scum or some sort, he's wolf.
Also in that case elle calling aero town is basically calling herself wolf with Om via PoE so

-L

[Alduskkel]

-.-

I am Town. I'm just working out what's optimal play for the three factions so that we know what to expect. You seemed to be under the impression that the Mafia would claim.

What do you think of elle voting for Om?

[Lord Mhork]

Vote Count 4.03

BOOMSHAKALAKA (1) Aeronaut
Alduskkel (0)
elleheathen (0)
Aeronaut (2) Om of the Nom, Alduskkel
Yggdra Union (0)
Om of the Nom (1) elleheathen

Not Voting:

BOOMSHAKALAKA, Yggdra Union

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.


V/LA-

Night falls in (expired on 2013-10-15 16:00:00)

[Lord Mhork]

Om of the Nom and Aeronaut have been prodded.

[Alduskkel]

So, no one except the Mod has posted in the last 34 hours.

Either we talk more or we lynch Aeronaut now. Please, no more of this bullshit where we barely say anything.

[Yggdra Union]

I kinda wanna wait until Om gets replaced or have his prod dodge here.
Also elle should be voting aero, because that way there's no chance of wolfhammer.

[Om of the Nom]

I'm also down for lynching elle today but I'd prefer to lynch aero.

[elleheathen]

Also elle should be voting aero, because that way there's no chance of wolfhammer.

I won't put him in a position for

any

hammer.

[Alduskkel]

If we're going to lynch Aeronaut anyway then we shouldn't be afraid of a wolf quickhammer. Say elle were to be convinced to vote Aeronaut. Aeronaut isn't going to change his claim, we've established that. Unless there's something else mysterious that can only be obtained if Aeronaut is at L-1, it might as well be YU and Boom to lynch Aeronaut.

This game is just stalling annoyingly because people are afraid to lynch

but aren't talking about anything else either

.

More activity or lynch Aeronaut.

[BOOMSHAKALAKA]

Hi, you are very enthusiastic to see this day end. Its bugging me.

We are NOT lynching anyone yet.

Anyone unconfirmed by ace is a suspect to me at this point, Im too confused

[Yggdra Union]

Hi.
If aldus, om, elle votes aero, that's all of the wolf-suspects voting, you know.
Boom wouldn't QH, I won't QH so there's literally no chance of quickhammer.
The only quickhammer we might see is the selfhammer.
-L

[Yggdra Union]

Also aldus has a point.
This game is stalling annoyingly.
That makes me think even more that aero is a wolf.
I WANNA SEE HIM SQUIRM AT L-1
-L

[elleheathen]

It's pretty simple really.
I know that I'm town so wolves

have

to be between Aero/Om/Ald.
I have Aero as either town or mafia.
The two wolf reads I have are Om/Ald, who are both voting Aero.
I find it hard to believe that they'd be bussing the other at this stage.
It only reinforces my wolf reads on them.
So unless you're willing to compromise your vote on your second wolf read to Om, there's not much to talk about. I will not vote Aero today.
Not for a threat. Not for pressure to provide a claim he's already given. Not for fun. Not for a lynch.

[Yggdra Union]

You do realize that he's posting everywhere else, right?
The only way to check if he's mafia or not is to put him in freaking L-1 and ask for claim once again.
-L

[Alduskkel]

Hi, you are very enthusiastic to see this day end. Its bugging me.

We are NOT lynching anyone yet.

Anyone unconfirmed by ace is a suspect to me at this point, Im too confused

I am only "enthusiastic to see this day end" if we're not going to do anything else.

If you're so confused, then why don't you actually do some scumhunting? Or at least give your opinion of existing material.

YU... I don't think elle is ever going to vote Aeronaut. What are you going to do, live perpetually in fear of a wolf hammer on someone who is already probably a wolf?

[elleheathen]

You do realize that he's posting everywhere else, right?
The only way to check if he's mafia or not is to put him in freaking L-1 and ask for claim once again.
-L

I don't

care

if he's mafia or not - I don't want to lynch mafia right now and I don't think it's beneficial for wolves to know exactly who the mafia IS.
I want to lynch

werewolf.

[Yggdra Union]

We are.
Aero's wolf. If he was maf, he probably would've claimed one already.
-L

[Yggdra Union]

And no, he's not town.

[GuyInFreezer]

I don't care if he's mafia or not - I don't want to lynch mafia right now and I don't think it's beneficial for wolves to know exactly who the mafia IS.
I want to lynch werewolf.

Obviously we're not lynching him if he claims maf.

I want a truthful claim from him.
Do you know how we get truthful claim? By putting him under the threat of hammer.
That's why I'm trying to put him at L-1 with "controlled environment" where it's safe from wolf hammer.