Mini 1501: We're On A Boat! (END?! results inside)

Peabody · Post Post #750 (ISO) » Sat Oct 12, 2013 5:03 pm

In post 681, CrashTextDummie wrote:
In post 654, Peabody wrote:Sure, Aeronaut's vote on a Brian wagon looks bad, and his defense-by-word-play doesn't help his case, but I don't understand why more flak was given to him rather than anyone else. Why did CTD's policy vote on Brian go uncontested?
Do you think my vote was bad? Elaborate, please.

I didn't think your vote was bad. I was just making a point. I don't understand why Aero got the flak instead of anyone else.[/quote]

In post 672, Peabody wrote:CTD - Can you explain this vote?

Explained in the post before:

In post 384, CrashTextDummie wrote:
In post 354, YYR wrote:Didn't get much out of the catchup. I'm still not getting where everyone is getting a town read on Brian. The SK/Smudger back and forth made me a bit more comfortable on SK, but I kind of just skimmed through Smudger's post. Still like my vote where it is.
This is quite possibly the laziest post of the game. Why is Kaze scum?

Elaborated on why I found this to be the scummy kind of lazy here:

In post 559, CrashTextDummie wrote:He was the first to vote Kaze based on rather weak reasoning, which wasn't really a problem considering the stage of the game we were in. However in the meantime, a serious wagon had formed (L-2) and Kaze had addressed YYR's line of attack, so for him to drop in just stating that he "likes [his] vote where it is" is seriously suspect to me. This post was allegedly the result of a catch-up, and if that's all he had to say, I very strongly question if he has any interest in scum-hunting.

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I wasn't sure if your vote was tied to those two posts. Thanks.

Peabody · Post Post #751 (ISO) » Sat Oct 12, 2013 5:04 pm

Oh woops. everything from my post 672 quote to CTD's 559 was supposed to be in a quote box in the previous post.

Peabody · Post Post #752 (ISO) » Sat Oct 12, 2013 5:05 pm

In post 682, CrashTextDummie wrote:
In post 672, Peabody wrote:I don't want to waste our Day 1 lynch on a miller claim. It robs us of information for day 2. Scum can easily pass on "Yeah, this lynch should happen," instead of contributing in a meaningful way.
Don't understand this reasoning at all.

Meaningfulness of content can be evaluated independently from who we lynch. Treatment of the miller claim in light of his flip
is
valuable information. I don't see how a Brian lynch would be less informational than any other.

What I mean is that with a policy lynch, town and scum alike can agree with minimal reasoning to lynch a miller claim. Associative tells are difficult to find because of this.

SleepyKrew · Post Post #753 (ISO) » Sat Oct 12, 2013 5:09 pm

In post 748, Peabody wrote:I agree and disagree with this. I -hate- policy lynches because they just rob us of information. Town and scum alike can say 'This person -has- to die' and thus the information of who was for or against the lynch largely turns out to be null. I -do- agree that there will be a problem if this framed person/miller makes it to lylo.

I like how you took a stance here

Peabody · Post Post #754 (ISO) » Sat Oct 12, 2013 5:23 pm

CDB wrote:This doesn't feel representative. By this point you should have seen people voting for Brian for more than just "well, he's a claimed miller so I guess we should lynch him at some point anyway".

NOW I have that information since I'm nearly caught up. But still, it feels like a cop-out unless you truly believe he's scum.

GG wrote:Kazekirimaru is probably scum. Only need two pages to figure that out.

Uh. Explain.

Plum wrote:Pretty meh on Peabody, to be honest. Grimgroove feels great - high, but super proactive in a catchup read. His scumhunting drive feels pretty convincing. It's something that feels lacking in Peabody's. Peabody asks a few questions little conviction; he notes a lot of people, often in the form of questions, but I'm not sure what he thinks of anyone but the couple of people (fferylt and SK, surprise surprise) he thinks look at least a little Town.

It's just how I do catch-up posts. I ask questions to know what's going on in people's heads. I'm working on a reads list by the way now that I'm caught up. This requires additional iso work for me.

Plum wrote:Also, also, this. Peabody, do you have a read on Brian? Have you tried to read him? At all? Your catchup notes list him once, and that's to say you're ignoring the Miller claim in reading him. Passing on trying to read him given the situation seems like even less meaningful contribution and much less accountability than the situation you describe.

His recent postings look town, but I keep waffling between town and not. It's true that his martyr attitude is suspicious, but in recent pages (between 21-current) look a lot better than they did earlier.

Peabody · Post Post #755 (ISO) » Sat Oct 12, 2013 5:35 pm

Ugh, I just read a lot of information in a short amount of time. My reads require some isos, but I'm pretty confident in these town reads: Fferylt, SK, Plum, CTD.

SleepyKrew · Post Post #756 (ISO) » Sat Oct 12, 2013 5:36 pm

I wanna hear your reasoning re: me por favor

pitoli · Post Post #757 (ISO) » Sat Oct 12, 2013 5:36 pm

There will be killing till the score is paid.

VOTE COUNT 1.13

Grimgroove:

CrashTextDummie, Notscience

notscience:

SpyreX, Garmr

Empire:

Peabody

ChannelDelibird:

Brian Skies

Peabody:

Plum

Brian Skies:

ChannelDelibird, LolWagons, SleepyKrew

Not Voting:

Grimgroove, Empire, fferyllt

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch.

Time until deadline: (expired on 2013-10-17 00:00:00)

Mod Notes

: Sorry Grim, don't think I'm extending the deadline.

Peabody · Post Post #758 (ISO) » Sat Oct 12, 2013 5:49 pm

In post 756, SleepyKrew wrote:I wanna hear your reasoning re: me por favor

At this point in the game, I have a hard time imagining you are scum unless I WIFOM myself. Immediately after you entered the game, many of your catch up questions look well thought-out and have a point. But there were a lot of seemingly pointless questions as you caught up. However, as your play continued, the questions and analysis of the game seemed to be thoughtful and not faked. I know I'm speaking in general terms here, but I'm going off of vague memory over the last few days of rereading this thread.

SleepyKrew · Post Post #759 (ISO) » Sat Oct 12, 2013 6:03 pm

What did you think about my push to lynch Kaze?

Peabody · Post Post #760 (ISO) » Sat Oct 12, 2013 6:36 pm

In post 759, SleepyKrew wrote:What did you think about my push to lynch Kaze?

Hm. Well, I just looked at your iso to reread your push on Kaze, and you aren't looking as 'obvious town' to me as you were before. Maybe my town read was based on reading your plays in context and in bulk without looking at individual posts. By the way, I forgot to mention that I saw your question at my prod-dodge very town-like which influenced my town read on you.

Anyway, the basis of your original vote looked like it was a reaction to his maestro vote. It looked like your main case was that his vote was parked on someone who didn't matter. Correct? However, your tone eventually while you were posting to lynch him made it look like you didn't really think he was scum at the time. Just that he was annoying to you.

Like here and here. Your coaching, trying to get him to vote someone else, other than a lurker, really doesn't look like a push for his lynch. It more looks like you're trying to encourage someone you think is town to reconsider his vote.

Meh, I need to do a little more analysis on your posts.

Peabody · Post Post #761 (ISO) » Sat Oct 12, 2013 6:38 pm

(Also, you guys will see me taking more of a stance as I go on since I'm caught up. It's mainly down to me reading isos.)

SleepyKrew · Post Post #762 (ISO) » Sat Oct 12, 2013 6:42 pm

Oh I definitely wanted him lynched at the time
Do you think my case on him was

good

?

Peabody · Post Post #763 (ISO) » Sat Oct 12, 2013 6:51 pm

Then why were you coaching him?

It depends on what you mean by good. You seemed to be moving from scumscumscum to coach... Not to mention your case was on someone I know to be town.

In general, pushing someone for voting seemingly opportunistically isn't

bad

. I won't say it's good because it's wrong. And that's proven to be true in my mind. Nothing personal.

SleepyKrew · Post Post #764 (ISO) » Sat Oct 12, 2013 6:55 pm

In case I was wrong. I can push a suspect and preach non-game-specific theory at the same time.
Your response is the one I expected but not the one I was hoping for. Going to bed now. Hopefully I'll do that meta on you tomorrow.

SleepyKrew · Post Post #765 (ISO) » Sat Oct 12, 2013 6:57 pm

In post 10, fferyllt wrote:Not much yet!

In post 656, SleepyKrew wrote:I'm going to look into that tomorrow but I'd appreciate if ffery and Empire and anyone else who wants to also did

ffery please acknowledge

Peabody · Post Post #766 (ISO) » Sat Oct 12, 2013 7:04 pm

In post 764, SleepyKrew wrote:In case I was wrong. I can push a suspect and preach non-game-specific theory at the same time.
Your response is the one I expected but not the one I was hoping for. Going to bed now. Hopefully I'll do that meta on you tomorrow.

Hm. So would you say you were waffling while you were pushing for the lynch?

SleepyKrew · Post Post #767 (ISO) » Sat Oct 12, 2013 7:08 pm

Uh no I was pretty confident that he was scum
But then I was lazymode for a few days and then I reassessed
And my reassessment said Brian lynch choo choo

SleepyKrew · Post Post #768 (ISO) » Sat Oct 12, 2013 7:08 pm

Why am I still awake D:

fferyllt · Post Post #769 (ISO) » Sat Oct 12, 2013 7:22 pm

In post 765, SleepyKrew wrote:
In post 10, fferyllt wrote:Not much yet!

In post 656, SleepyKrew wrote:I'm going to look into that tomorrow but I'd appreciate if ffery and Empire and anyone else who wants to also did
ffery please acknowledge

I haven't committed because many many games, but I'll try to find time to meta Peabody's replace-in behaviors tomorrow.

SleepyKrew · Post Post #770 (ISO) » Sat Oct 12, 2013 7:22 pm

Dankerschnitzel

fferyllt · Post Post #771 (ISO) » Sat Oct 12, 2013 7:27 pm

In post 747, Plum wrote:I didn't say much against it at the time - somewhat demoralized, I guess, and a difference of opinion that was rooted in a theory disagreement seemed unlikely to sway fferylt, for instance.

You might be surprised. At any rate, should he getto day 3 with little in the way of results, it should be a red flag for whatever town players are in the game at that point.

Peabody · Post Post #772 (ISO) » Sat Oct 12, 2013 8:36 pm

In post 767, SleepyKrew wrote:Uh no I was pretty confident that he was scum
But then I was lazymode for a few days and then I reassessed
And my reassessment said Brian lynch choo choo

Hm. You said you were coaching him in case he was town. Is this not showing some lack of confidence in your vote? I don't understand why you'd lie about that if you are town.

Peabody · Post Post #773 (ISO) » Sat Oct 12, 2013 8:37 pm

In post 764, SleepyKrew wrote:In case I was wrong. I can push a suspect and preach non-game-specific theory at the same time.
Your response is the one I expected but not the one I was hoping for. Going to bed now. Hopefully I'll do that meta on you tomorrow.

What were you hoping for?

Grimgroove · Post Post #774 (ISO) » Sun Oct 13, 2013 5:35 am

I feel a bit silly after yesterday.
But

@mod

: I'm repeating my request for a deadline extension, as that was not drugs-induced. Of two days maybe? Don't know if this is alright for others, but I'd like to get my head properly in this game. Tomorrow is looking good for a complete read-through.