Marketplace Mafia III - Game Over

[Harakiri]

I mean I figured he'd probably flip town, but he also was an easy target with definite scum on the wagon.

If this is true why didn't you use Medium on him?

[Klick]

So, I'm going to skip over the pages of the hydras that are hard to memorize "sorting" each other with meta from games I haven't read.

@bald: I'm not playing as well because this game is freaking fast and not pleasurable to play in.

[Magua]

Vote Count 2.3

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

VoidedMafia (5): morph the cat, BBmolla, Garuda, 1baldeagle1, Klick
ProHawk (2): VoidedMafia, Lord Mhork
Seanald (1): PeregrineV
Harakiri (1): ProHawk
morph the cat (1): Pyrotechnics

Not Voting (10): Nero Cain, Seanald, guille2015, Lost Butterfly, Banakai, uʍop ǝpısdn, zMuffinMan, Zdenek, DoctorPepper, Harakiri

Deadline for Day 2 is Friday, November 1st, at 2:00pm EST (site time).
Countdown to deadline:

(expired on 2013-11-01 13:00:00)

[Banakai]

What is this? page 50? I was only a few pages away until this happened.

I'd replace out but that wouldn't help any.

[morph the cat]

gods i hope you flip scum. It will be so justifying.

I am not even a tiny bit sorry that we'll disappoint.

Though I guess the feeling is mutual in a way. It would be nice to think that at the end of this all, I'll look back and think "well of course, they were scum." But, I don't think so. I think you're town, and yet the disconnect is so vast and pervasive that we're not likely to overcome it.

[Zdenek]

Can you say why you think the strong players are all town? I'm inclined to think that's not the case because of no one dying last night.

[morph the cat]

Can you say why you think the strong players are all town? I'm inclined to think that's not the case because of no one dying last night.

First off, who do you think are "the strong players"?

I don't necessarily think that the three players in my top town pile are beyond a shadow of a doubt all three town. But, I think at least two probably are and I think they'd be viewed as a serious threat.

[Zdenek]

Why don't you answer my question?

[Zdenek]

I'm still waiting for someone with 2 brain cells to rub together to LOOK AT LAST NIGHT'S AUCTION and show the slightest indication that they see what we see in that, and what it means about the stronger players in this game. Because that one piece of hard evidence is more persuasive than all the walls I will ever write in this game.

I've worked this out despite my small brian!!!

My brain may very well be smaller than yours! But I was pretty excited when I did the math.

This is what I am talking about.

[morph the cat]

I'm still waiting for someone with 2 brain cells to rub together to LOOK AT LAST NIGHT'S AUCTION and show the slightest indication that they see what we see in that, and what it means about the stronger players in this game. Because that one piece of hard evidence is more persuasive than all the walls I will ever write in this game.

I've worked this out despite my small brian!!!

My brain may very well be smaller than yours! But I was pretty excited when I did the math.

This is what I am talking about.

I was talking about my townbloc. And like I said not beyond a shadow of a doubt. The pattern we see in the auction results could be driven by scum concerns about strong players that aren't in my top townpile as well as those three.

Cabd and I need to discuss last night's posts when he's back online. I have a read that's in flux at the moment, so I want to wait to answer this in more detail.

[Lord Mhork]

I mean I figured he'd probably flip town, but he also was an easy target with definite scum on the wagon.

If this is true why didn't you use Medium on him?

Because I couldn't? I don't understand your point.

[Voidedmafia]

BECAUSE NACHO.

It's perfectly acceptable to disregard whatever compulsion you have to sheep Nacho (or whatever) if your reads are that contrary, yknow.

I'm still waiting for someone with 2 brain cells to rub together to LOOK AT LAST NIGHT'S AUCTION and show the slightest indication that they see what we see in that, and what it means about the stronger players in this game. Because that one piece of hard evidence is more persuasive than all the walls I will ever write in this game.

Would you rather I posted what I thought about it?

I'm going to be quite frank, I was planning to make an effort today. But, truthfully, I don't want anything to possibly do with this game. It so inbred and hatefilled I'm not having a lick of fun even reading it. I'm not abandoning my hydra partner, though, so I'm stuck here. No one wants to have fun all just bitchbitchbitch, ugh. Actually giving me a headache more so than I already have.

I'm probably just going to townread/null-townread everyone I agree with because sorting out Pyro, et al., is starting to get tiring.

Because I'm telling you I think it's pretty damn significant?

...And that absolves you of avoiding someone and only poking fun at them, how?

My brain may very well be smaller than yours! But I was pretty excited when I did the math.

...nvm, I don't think I get it.

Night-kill x 1 (Targeted): Choose another player. That player will die.

If you are a Mafia member, this will fail if you target another Mafia member unless you choose otherwise.

I guess that does answer the "why no kill if the NK went to scum?" question.

So, how do you feel about PV right now?

Well since ye actually read the last 4 pages, let's get some opinions.

Town v town?
Town v scum?
Scum v scum?
...
etc.

It's an annoying waste of time, that's my opinion.

So scum decided to no kill?

My theory is that they are stacking up the night kills to use them all later, or the night kill was won by town on N0.

vote: Prohawk

^Are both of these legit townslips, not-on-killing-team slips, or neither? It does bug me that the mechanical head of 'kiri would think town somehow won night kill when it went for 151, and town max budget at that time was under that.

...hmmm. Though, 'kiri's referring to N0's NK, not N1's. Your point stands, but.

Relevantly, I'm not entirely willing to call either of these townslips. Mhork posited a legit question, while kiri's post holds up more as a likely not-on-NK-team slip than a townslip.

WRONG. In regards to which head said that, at least.

So which head DID say it?

Nero? Has he even said anything?

Not today, nope.

This is probably getting into MD stuffs, but why is this? I understand it in a micro or a mini or a newbie, where an early no lynch will put the game into evens and probably results in another no lynch at mylo, but this is a large with lots of abilities that can stop kills etc.

But were any of those kill stopping abilities owned by town or even available N0? Were they available N1? No and yes. Furthermore, I do think that having some kind of flip to work with via lynches certainly helps solidify reads (either through how people got the lynch through, or just from the lynch alone). Doc protects are a good way to avoid losing more when a townie is accidentally lynch (so long as they protect correctly), but just because the ability's there and just because this is a large doesn't mean that no-lynching should always be an option in the back of our heads.

Besides, no-lynching in that situation is still stupid to me. Doing that and trying to make the most on short time is better than just doing nothing because we suddenly only had 3 days to do anything.

You don't think he added anyone last night?

I don't think PV-scum'd lose much by fishing for a partner N1, so long as it wasn't a blind toss. I would hope that if he is on a team they used other means to find scum last night. (and one in particular)

What ProHawk is saying today is consistent with what he was saying yesterday. I don't see anything scummy in that.

So what led him to think Hermy was obvtown, then?

Why would scum have bid exactly $100 on Neighborizer? Why would they not go that extra dollar to make sure they get it?

How likely is it that the scumteam who did win Neighborizor had already put enough money elsewhere that even $100 is the most they could put?

that was syry :/

...hrmmm...

(one more cut here, 48-50 next.)

[Voidedmafia]

That's nice, dear. Now shush.

Plus, your insistence on this is getting scummy.

In kingdom hearts he was killed night one for well no one knows why.

...That feels like a very accurate description of how I felt. I suspect it was PR-hunting, tho.

the last time I talked to syry he had him as a scum read.

Ask him why he scumread me?

(Also, was that post I thought was towntammy really from Syr?)

Yeah, I'm not some kind of egotistical loser!

...Right.

Hey, so can everyone give me their money tonight so we can win all the stuff?

No.

Also, anyone who disagrees with the

FACT

that Quilford is towny town is probably broken.

...It's not a fact, and the fact that you're tying to say it's a fact is in fact pinging my scumdar.

Now this is getting annoying and scummy. Why are you continuing this line instead of doing other, more helpful things?

Didn't you guys just have this argument?

About PV? That seemed to be pushed aside for more *ahem* "relevant" conversations <_<.

Lovely. Now explain.

Hey Voided when do you plan on using your doublevote?

idk. Why should I be thinking about using it now? I don't plan on just activating it one day for the sake of activating it, but would rather use it near the time that actual wagons start forming today or on later days. (in retrospect, I suppose I could've used it yesterday on Hermy, but I think that not using it was the better option.)

Oh and if anyone is wondering why this is N scum. This is fake content. He can't possibly be concerned over whether or not I would carry on my neighborizer crusade. if you look at the way he interacted with me yesterday, there was no indication whatsoever that he believed in my opinions on the neighborizer. So, why is he he trying to distract the conversation between morph and I regarding town working together? I mean Morph is doing the perfect fake rendition of looking like they're working together, and N is trying to pull up something from the day before and trying to make a big deal out of it even though the entirety of the game has sided against me on the matter. So, why is he trying to make a big deal with me about it? He's scum, that's why.

I think I can see this. UD's in the scummy pile.

Scum is Voided and Klick. Not sure about Nero.

That's nice how you avoided answering anything I put toward you.

So, I'm going to skip over the pages of the hydras that are hard to memorize "sorting" each other with meta from games I haven't read.

@bald: I'm not playing as well because this game is freaking fast and not pleasurable to play in.

start by explaining why I'm a scumread.

Why don't you answer my question?

zdenek earned 1 idiot point!

Also, why would you just focus there? I get it if you're just trying to find someplace to start, but it feels like there might be someplace better to work with.

...phoo, finally done. Prohawk, baldeagle, upside down, Klick (to an extent) and morph are in my scumpile. Pyro and LB are the two most definite townreads that I have (not strongest, mind, just the ones I'm confident in being town). I still feel that prohawk should be lynched, but it seems that there is not enough support for it.

Vote: Baldeagle

[Lord Mhork]

Voided, baldeagle is a bad target. He's fairly town...

[morph the cat]

BECAUSE NACHO.

It's perfectly acceptable to disregard whatever compulsion you have to sheep Nacho (or whatever) if your reads are that contrary, yknow.

My reads aren't to the contrary though. My read on Pyro would have been hellifino-null. In cases where I can't figure someone out, I often take the opinions of people I'm town-reading into account to move the nulls up or down my lists.

Despite the protestations to the contrary, putting them in my 2nd-tier town on the basis of a Nacho endorsement was a reach-out.

I'm still waiting for someone with 2 brain cells to rub together to LOOK AT LAST NIGHT'S AUCTION and show the slightest indication that they see what we see in that, and what it means about the stronger players in this game. Because that one piece of hard evidence is more persuasive than all the walls I will ever write in this game.

Would you rather I posted what I thought about it?

Why would you ask this?

Because I'm telling you I think it's pretty damn significant?

...And that absolves you of

avoiding someone

and only poking fun at them, how?

laughed out loud for reals.

My brain may very well be smaller than yours! But I was pretty excited when I did the math.

...nvm, I don't think I get it.

ok.

Night-kill x 1 (Targeted): Choose another player. That player will die.

If you are a Mafia member, this will fail if you target another Mafia member unless you choose otherwise.

I guess that does answer the "why no kill if the NK went to scum?" question.

So, how do you feel about PV right now?

That was Cabd, but I'll answer. He's a person of concern. Lots of concern.

So scum decided to no kill?

My theory is that they are stacking up the night kills to use them all later, or the night kill was won by town on N0.

vote: Prohawk

^Are both of these legit townslips, not-on-killing-team slips, or neither? It does bug me that the mechanical head of 'kiri would think town somehow won night kill when it went for 151, and town max budget at that time was under that.

...hmmm. Though, 'kiri's referring to N0's NK, not N1's. Your point stands, but.

Relevantly, I'm not entirely willing to call either of these townslips. Mhork posited a legit question,

while kiri's post holds up more as a likely not-on-NK-team slip than a townslip

.

How so?

This is probably getting into MD stuffs, but why is this? I understand it in a micro or a mini or a newbie, where an early no lynch will put the game into evens and probably results in another no lynch at mylo, but this is a large with lots of abilities that can stop kills etc.

But were any of those kill stopping abilities owned by town or even available N0? Were they available N1? No and yes. Furthermore, I do think that having some kind of flip to work with via lynches certainly helps solidify reads (either through how people got the lynch through, or just from the lynch alone). Doc protects are a good way to avoid losing more when a townie is accidentally lynch (so long as they protect correctly), but just because the ability's there and just because this is a large doesn't mean that no-lynching should always be an option in the back of our heads.

Besides, no-lynching in that situation is still stupid to me. Doing that and trying to make the most on short time is better than just doing nothing because we suddenly only had 3 days to do anything.

This reads like you're scum annoyed with the other-scum team.

You don't think he added anyone last night?

I don't think PV-scum'd lose much by fishing for a partner N1, so long as it wasn't a blind toss. I would hope that if he is on a team they used other means to find scum last night. (and one in particular)

This too, though it's a little confusing because it would be from the PoV of the opposite scum team unless I'm missing something here.

[morph the cat]

Why don't you answer my question?

zdenek earned 1 idiot point!

Also, why would you just focus there? I get it if you're just trying to find someplace to start, but it feels like there might be someplace better to work with.

...phoo, finally done. Prohawk, baldeagle, upside down, Klick (to an extent) and morph are in my scumpile. Pyro and LB are the two most definite townreads that I have (not strongest, mind, just the ones I'm confident in being town). I still feel that prohawk should be lynched, but it seems that there is not enough support for it.

Vote: Baldeagle

You pick 1) someone who's been pretty obvtown so far and 2) the least experienced/lowest hanging fruit in your pile. Are you afraid that TammySyr won't get enough traction on us today?

[Lord Mhork]

Here I'll make this easier on you, voided.

VOTE: Nero

Now you can sheep a better wagon with more traction.

[1baldeagle1]

Voided, you do realize you have been obsessing over the votes on you ever since the wagons started on you both days, right?

[1baldeagle1]

governor? really?

Ayup. I say we lynch him tomorrow.

Also, note where Voided says I need to be lynched tomorrow, thus calling me the scummiest. (This was on Day 1)

And look how long it took for Voided to vote me. He posted quite a few times before he realized that he was being inconsistent with the scumread on me and tries to vote me. He hopes that the vote will cover up his inconsist read.

[Voidedmafia]

Voided, baldeagle is a bad target. He's fairly town...

Not to me, he hasn't.

My reads aren't to the contrary though.

At the time, though, it seemed like they were. Hence why I said that.

Despite the protestations to the contrary, putting them in my 2nd-tier town on the basis of a Nacho endorsement was a reach-out.

reach out for what?

Why would you ask this?

Because I wanted to know if you wanted discourse over it or if you just wanted people to try and see what you saw on their own.

That was Cabd, but I'll answer. He's a person of concern. Lots of concern.

And how is he a person of concern? A lack of posting? A lack of presence? Both? The fact that he has neighborizer? *insert other option(s)*?

How so?

Honestly, I can't give you a straight "here's why" answer. I just don't see hara-kiri's post as a townslip.

You pick 1) someone who's been pretty obvtown so far and 2) the least experienced/lowest hanging fruit in your pile. Are you afraid that TammySyr won't get enough traction on us today?

1.) I don't see why Bald's been obvtown. Feel free to enlighten me.

2.) Uh, no. I've just felt that Bald has been scum, and I honestly don't see why he's town. Prohawk topped him in scumminess come the start of D2, which is why I was going for him most of today. If not bald or pro, then I'd be voting upside.

Here I'll make this easier on you, voided.

VOTE: Nero

Now you can sheep a better wagon with more traction.

I'm undecided on Nero, tho. upside down's a more developed read of mine.

Voided, you do realize you have been obsessing over the votes on you ever since the wagons started on you both days, right?

And this makes me scum, how?

Also, note where Voided says I need to be lynched tomorrow, thus calling me the scummiest. (This was on Day 1)

And look how long it took for Voided to vote me. He posted quite a few times before he realized that he was being inconsistent with the scumread on me and tries to vote me. He hopes that the vote will cover up his inconsist read.

There s such a thing as someone being scummier than you, yknow. I'm sorry that you got eclipsed if only for the span of a couple/few IRL days and have to paint this in a scummy light to push your read on me.

[Lord Mhork]

But voided. Pressure on Nero is all upside.

[Lost Butterfly]

Voided can you just explain why baldagle is scum in like a short paragraph that I can actually read without scrolling.

[Lost Butterfly]

Voided who are your townreads at the moment?

[morph the cat]

Despite the protestations to the contrary, putting them in my 2nd-tier town on the basis of a Nacho endorsement was a reach-out.

reach out for what?

Discussion and maybe movement toward consensus on a few things where we strongly differ. I'm not holding my breath but stranger things have happened.

This game is becoming reminiscent of the Walking Dead mafia game in some ways. Nacho and I hydra'd in that one and it seemed like we spent most of the game trying to get our town reads to stop FoSing and voting each othere. In that game, one of the town reads was actually scum and was the source of a lot of the friction and disintegration in the town bloc. It's too early to call that in this game, and I'm not getting the same vibe at all. I think the friction comes from genuinely differing points of view about other players.

Why would you ask this?

Because I wanted to know if you wanted discourse over it or if you just wanted people to try and see what you saw on their own.

I don't plan to explain what I'm seeing this early. I'm curious to see if someone else independently comes up with it.

That was Cabd, but I'll answer. He's a person of concern. Lots of concern.

And how is he a person of concern? A lack of posting? A lack of presence? Both? The fact that he has neighborizer? *insert other option(s)*?

Above all, the neighborizer claim. If he's town and was able to grab it, he's in a strong position to help set the course here. He's not using that position so far, e.g., lack of posting/presence.

How so?

Honestly, I can't give you a straight "here's why" answer. I just don't see hara-kiri's post as a townslip.

Ok.

You pick 1) someone who's been pretty obvtown so far and 2) the least experienced/lowest hanging fruit in your pile. Are you afraid that TammySyr won't get enough traction on us today?

1.) I don't see why Bald's been obvtown. Feel free to enlighten me.

ISO me and search his name.

2.) Uh, no. I've just felt that Bald has been scum, and I honestly don't see why he's town. Prohawk topped him in scumminess come the start of D2, which is why I was going for him most of today. If not bald or pro, then I'd be voting upside.

And I can't see the basis for either of those reads.

[Nero Cain]

The push on Pro-Hawk is crap. I can see where Klick's push on Pro-Hawk might look oppertunistic but its Klick and he always seems scummy as fuck to me so idk.

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