Newbie 1436 ~ Game Over

[Bert]

This looks like Bert/ffery. Sakura stated she thinks it's notscience and me so Bert also tries to suspect notscience and me. Unless it's actually Bert/ns and Bert hopes I'll be the mislynch over ns.

No, I said my HEAD thinks it's you and ns, but I am not counting out Ffery. Stop that.

So Bert, you think there's a chance ffery could be scum? otherwise scum for you should be obvious.

I have not ruled it out.

She's a competent scumplayer. Period.

She seems town, and I don't see how she has been scummy, but we are in LYLO now, and notscience has seemed townie too. Something has to give. Something's wrong.

I would like to know particularly what to look for with her.

My biggest worry on N2 was that if we ever get to a 3 person LYLO, then figuring out who between ns/ffery is scum, and also trying to avoid myself getting lynched, that is a steep mountain to climb.

And I'm lost as to what to do because Ffery and notscience both seem town

Sakura is reading Ffery as super-town, and Sakura told me to use my head and not my gut, and so head is that you and ns are scum, Wisdom.

Gut isn't sure at all.

[Wisdom]

Actually everyone should do a list with who they think scum is like this:

notscience > Wisdom > Bert

> ffery

and then explain why.

Mine:

Bert > ffery > notscience

Bert looks like he opportunistically wants to push myself and notscience, even to the point of changing the context of my claim and misrepping notscience's meta. All this after Sakura claims that she thinks it's me and notscience. He focuses too much on apologising about lynching Cabd instead of moving on - that's because of the guilty conscience. Town doesn't have to apologise, Cabd was just scummy and was literally asking to be lynched.

Between ffery and ns, I think it's ffery. I still have not forgotten about her intent to hammer on my slot before anyone could claim, and I don't buy her excuses about thinking someone else is a doc. She kept the day going instead of hammering Cabd for too long yesterday, probably because she was too afraid to hammer town and deal with the consequences - that didn't stop her from subtly encouraging Cabd's lynch with posts like "Cabd probably did this to appeal to me too" and "I don't know what he's doing with the self-votes" and stuff.

notscience has just seemed town but I don't know at this point. I could be wrong. I want to see what he's going to do now.

[Bert]

This looks like Bert/ffery. Sakura stated she thinks it's notscience and me so Bert also tries to suspect notscience and me. Unless it's actually Bert/ns and Bert hopes I'll be the mislynch over ns.

I'm not sure about any of you, but it's funny that I just "started" suspecting ns and you. That's not true. I suspected you yesterday, hence all my waffling on D2. I was voting for you until you came in and claimed doc and went after Cabd, and Cabd I found to be very scummy.

Notscience and ffery have both seemed town, I stand by that. And you are making me think you're scum right now, with the BS points you've brought up against me.

Seriously, I brought my friggin personal life into the mix at the end of D1, huge mistake, that is like liable for warnings or modkills, I'm still here, and I would never do that as scum. It's dirty dirty play for me to ever do something like that.

[Wisdom]

This is bullshit, notscience does this tunnely play as town and you know it.

Notsci did his usual town play in my mini normal. He was scum. Giving him a free meta pass is bad.

I already answered that when Cabd posted it. His play in his mini normal did not look like his play here.

[Bert]

Bert looks like he opportunistically wants to push myself and notscience, even to the point of changing the context of my claim and misrepping notscience's meta.

I am not misrepping ns's meta. ns himself has said that he is changing his meta and meta-dodging. Are you ignoring this? I can quote what people have said in this thread about ns's meta. I just quoted cabd's quote

Wisdom/ns scumteam

or Wisdom/ffery, but I think it's Wisdom/ns GUT wise

Wisdom goes today for me,

Vote: Wisdom

Now time for me to sleep and prepare for my formal. I have no doubt you're scum by the way you just accused me, so I hope you get flashwagoned

buh-bye.

[Bert]

Anyway I can't judge from games I have not been in.

[Bert]

Eh I don't think his accusations have the intensity they do when he's town. He calls bullshit on what he thinks comes from scum and is loud about it, it seemed like he mostly wanted to make others vote Titus there.

Anyway I can't judge from games I have not been in.

Eh I don't think his accusations have the intensity they do when he's town. He calls bullshit on what he thinks comes from scum and is loud about it, it seemed like he mostly wanted to make others vote Titus there.

Anyway I can't judge from games I have not been in.

[Bert]

Anyways time to get ready for the homecoming formal and go to bed. Take care, scum. <3

[Wisdom]

You kept saying "possible Doctor slot"

I said that you do not want to lynch me and you should get the fuck off my wagon. (Because I'm the doc, duh)
I said that I know how Cabd could have known Sakura was lying (hint that I knew there's a Roleblocker)
I told agi to go look at the possible setups with a Cop and think what I could be meaning.

Despite all this, they were still not getting it and Sakura kept saying that I am scum instead. I had no choice but to claim properly.

[Wisdom]

but it's funny that I just "started" suspecting ns and you.

Where did I say that you "started"?
Keep misrepping.

[Wisdom]

And now a vote. Thanks for scumclaiming.

VOTE: Bert

[Wisdom]

Eh I don't think his accusations have the intensity they do when he's town. He calls bullshit on what he thinks comes from scum and is loud about it, it seemed like he mostly wanted to make others vote Titus there.

Anyway I can't judge from games I have not been in.

Eh I don't think his accusations have the intensity they do when he's town. He calls bullshit on what he thinks comes from scum and is loud about it, it seemed like he mostly wanted to make others vote Titus there.

Anyway I can't judge from games I have not been in.

Way to completely disregard the rest of this quote.

[Wisdom]

I am not misrepping ns's meta. ns himself has said that he is changing his meta and meta-dodging.

Someone saying they will change their meta does not mean that they will be able to accurately emulate their townplay as scum to the point ns has done.

[fferyllt]

I'm too tired to figure this out tonight. :/

[notscience]

I'm leaning Bert over Wisdom but my reads have been such shit this game I don't even know (See: Top 3 scumreads all flippd town)

[Wisdom]

Do what I said in 1801 please

[Bert]

And now a vote. Thanks for scumclaiming.

VOTE: Bert

That's not a scumclaim. I don't have the energy to really be strong and assertive with you and step it up so I might survive against scum-Wisdom, but I'm gonna hang in there. And I'm pretty confident you're scum. Also, remember how I fooled you in 1482 when you thought I was 500% town. I had several scum games before that too. Well, notscience's scum game has improved (if you were in Cash Cabd, you might believe Cabd's explanation). There's nothing like being in the same game. Notscience made it through Stacking the Deck as well. You're dismissing him so easily.

I'm leaning Bert over Wisdom but my reads have been such shit this game I don't even know (See: Top 3 scumreads all flippd town)

If there's any chance you're town (doubt it), please I can emulate a lot of things as scum, but one thing I don't do is bring my personal life into the mix and be possible warned or modkilled. That's like my #1 thing I always try to avoid and I let my feelings seep in at the end of D1 and lashed out at Cabd (and even Sakura). Please if you're town read back and see that it was genuine. That was a flailing that I cannot emulate.

[Bert]

Ffery I think you're the remaining townie right now with the way notscience is siding with Wisdom.

You've been scum with me (most recently) and seen me as town (very recent as well), so like just be careful with your vote and at least give me the time of day for a few days. I'm pretty confident you're town and <notscience, Wisdom> is the team.

You can ask me anything you want, this applies to not just you, I can reply as spontaneous as you like, I am willing to do anything right now, (1) because it's LYLO and (2) I'm being deathtunneled by Wisdom-scum and if you think it's fun to watch me flail like this, then I don't know what to tell you - it's not fun

but I will eventually come close to freaking out if I get super stressed out at some point, so you've been warned

[Wisdom]

notscience's scum game has improved. Not to the point of emulating his town game, these 1v1 and this frustration when he feels people don't understand his scum reads. These are some things that just cannot be faked by scum that easily.

You are scum, Bert. Your reasons for "suspecting" me are bullshit like "Sakura fakeclaimed doc in some random game, therefore you claiming doc means you're scum" and you have been setting up this since yesterday with your "i dont like cabd but i dont like wisdom's claim either" fencesitting.

The only way you're not scum is ffery/ns and I just don't see that as possible.

[notscience]

Yeah, I'm not buying that answer from Bert.

@Wis, I'm at Bert>Ffery=You

Bert because the way he's going about today is really weird, especially considering someone who loves to sheep leading his own wagon, as well as first votes in lylo have the habit of being scum vying for towncred.

Ffery=you because my reads have been so off this game I literally have fuckall

Oh and Sakura's still the godfather

[Wisdom]

If you had to decide between me and ffery, who would it be?

[Bert]

Bert because the way he's going about today is really weird, especially considering someone who loves to sheep leading his own wagon, as well as first votes in lylo have the habit of being scum vying for towncred.

You've also never been in LYLO with me.

I'm not vying for towncred, if you look at my scum LYLOs, I've NEVER cast the first vote. Ever.

I'm not vying for towncred. Did I cast the first vote in Mismatched?? Nope, I waited for Guyett to vote, then I voted later on. In Castle? Waited for Mantis and waynegg to vote. Etc. etc.

The only way you're not scum is ffery/ns and I just don't see that as possible.

Well, if you're town (which you're not), then who's my partner if I'm scum then? Ffery??? Why's Ffery scum other than by PoE??

[Wisdom]

Read 1801, Bert.

[notscience]

Selfmeta Bert, really?

Wisdom I'm not sure, I'd have to reread.

[Bert]

notscience has just seemed town but

I don't know at this point. I could be wrong.

I want to see what he's going to do now.

notscience's scum game has improved. Not to the point of emulating his town game, these 1v1 and this frustration when he feels people don't understand his scum reads.

These are some things that just cannot be faked by scum that easily.

You say you don't know at this point, you could be wrong, and then the second part where you state definitively you know his scum game is not that good??

???