Newbie 1436 ~ Game Over

[Bert]

Only time I was with scum with Wisdom, it was in some Polygamist game and you can't bus in that setup.

[notscience]

I'm so back and forth on Bert/ffery atm >.>

[Bert]

But ns, Wisdom didn't go after you super hard in 1402

[Sakura Hana]

I saw scum Wis in one Newbie game, he was scum with Jason and they crossbused.

Besides I know cross busing can throw town off, which is why I did it on that Open game, it doesnt help achieve a perfect win, but it throws people off when trying to find your partner.

[Bert]

I'm so back and forth on Bert/ffery atm >.>

at least you're considering that I might be town, cuz

ffery has been so townie-vibey it's SO hard to see her as scum

but it's possible as she is competent

[fferyllt]

Revising

Gonna leave this here for now, Bolding Wisdom as he's my major scumread.

ffery-notscience

: Impossible because no quickhammer.

ffery-Bert

: This doesn't look like ffery's scum meta

ffery-

Wisdom

: This doesn't look like ffery's scum meta.

Bert-

Wisdom

: Quite possible, considering what I know of Wisdom.
Bert-notscience: This one makes sense actually...

notscience-

Wisdom

: I was going with this, but ns' demotivation looks genuine, and I doubt scum Wisdom wouldn't have given him a plan for D3.

Going to be honest... Wisdom's reaction to Bert's vote on him have Scum written over it, if he was really town I'd expect him to react something like "WTF ARE YOU DOING IF YOU'RE TOWN GET YOUR VOTE OFF ME BEFORE SOMEONE HAMMERS" but he went and assumed Bert was scum and OMGUS'd immediately.

You are in a unique-ish position to do this, and I am really glad you're doing it. There's no question about your motivation.

Bert-Wisdom - only if they are crossvoting with the idea that the one who doesn't get lynched should sail through day 4. To me, this would be high risk/high reward stuff. I can see Wisdom maybe taking such a strategy, but not Bert from what I know of his scum game, which is admittedly not much. Newbie 1429 I think is the only time I played with scum-Bert. He replaced into GiF's slot. I was townreading GiF and never re-evaluated during the short period of time we were both in the game.

notsci-Wisdom - Wisdom has notsci in what amounts to a null spot in his reads list, which is troubling. notsci hasn't posted or really even implied a seriatim list, which is also troubling. The thing that gives me pause about this, like I said, is that notsci's attitude today resonates. But, it could be completely sincere and coming from demotivated scum rather than demotivated town.

notsci-Bert - This is the possibility that scares the fuck out of me. I can read Bert's recent posts to notsci as coaching in a way, but really as long as nothing upsets today's apple cart Wisdom is getting lynched and if these two are scum then it's gg. But I can't really give this pairing credence. Except there's a lack of spark to their interactions today. I'm going to double-iso them and see what I get from earlier in the game.

[notscience]

I saw scum Wis in one Newbie game, he was scum with Jason and they crossbused.

Besides I know cross busing can throw town off, which is why I did it on that Open game, it doesnt help achieve a perfect win, but it throws people off when trying to find your partner.

1402 he voted me out of the gate.

But, here's my thing.

I've townread ffery all game. Cabd's townread ffery all game. You've townread ffery all game.

GM scumread her.

Now, there's no reason for scum-bert to try and snap me out.

But, I know Wis's history as scum.

[Sakura Hana]

ffery, what are the chances in your opinion, that Wisdom and Bert are both scum?

P-Edit: I thought the one who initiated the snap out was me btw, Bert continued coz I went off to play some Terraria.

[fferyllt]

Heh. I just realized I did the same thing I called Bert out for - not thinking about the game where we were scum together. That game, the "high risk" stuff he did was a day 1 quickhammer mostly, which his town play gives him plenty of room to do when he's scum. He wasn't the strongest townread of all the players, but he was well within that group for the most part. I think I remember Mara asking him if he was scum once on day 1.

[fferyllt]

ffery, what are the chances in your opinion, that Wisdom and Bert are both scum?

P-Edit: I thought the one who initiated the snap out was me btw, Bert continued coz I went off to play some Terraria.

I want to say very little chance. But, I'm afraid to dismiss the possibility.

You need to look at 1429. It was a town circular firing squad, basically and Bert kinda floated through it mostly via his back and forth with Nacho.

[fferyllt]

I saw scum Wis in one Newbie game, he was scum with Jason and they crossbused.

Besides I know cross busing can throw town off, which is why I did it on that Open game, it doesnt help achieve a perfect win, but it throws people off when trying to find your partner.

1402 he voted me out of the gate.

But, here's my thing.

I've townread ffery all game. Cabd's townread ffery all game. You've townread ffery all game.

GM scumread her.

Now, there's no reason for scum-bert to try and snap me out.

But, I know Wis's history as scum.

heh. I've been waiting for someone to post this. "Why did GM die?"

[notscience]

Meh, bert was actively trying to get me back in the game. With me as isolated as I was, I wasn't a threat.

Pedit- Ffery, I've already referenced it. Cabd automatically dismissed it as a frame. Too scum to be scum?

[fferyllt]

Meh, bert was actively trying to get me back in the game. With me as isolated as I was, I wasn't a threat.

Pedit- Ffery, I've already referenced it. Cabd automatically dismissed it as a frame. Too scum to be scum?

Not the sort of target scum-me shoots for. I would have been shooting at PR possibilities. We undid GM's wagon mostly because she claimed VT.

[Bert]

ou need to look at 1429. It was a town circular firing squad, basically and Bert kinda floated through it mostly via his back and forth with Nacho.

ask yourself though, was I as engaged and forceful and spontaneous with my reads?

There are lots of differences in this game, and my transparency is on a whole nother level because Cabd was in this game and I didnt'want to be mislynched. In 1429 I had lurky moments, I wasn't forced to type lots of stuff that really makes me an open book. My play was much more tight.

I freaked out on D1 because I couldn't believe he was scumreading me and thus I expected him to be likely scum because of his inability to read me

[Bert]

Also, ffery, if you look at the dead QT, I was so paranoid about being tracked that I made my partner in 1429 send the kill BOTH times. I was so concerned about PRs.

[notscience]

But, scum you+kaze?

Why would a combo of bert+kaze want to kill GM?

[Bert]

Meh, bert was actively trying to get me back in the game. With me as isolated as I was, I wasn't a threat.

you are a threat if you're scum and we don't get Sakura's opinion after you step up your play

and if there's a good chance that you're town, then from a townie mindset I have to find out now, and so do you about us

what bothers me was that you weren't actively trying to figure me out, rather you were just reading people's opinions, just saying a few things are scummy, and not much else with regard to reads.

you've been sorta coasting tbh Day 3, watching what's going on

until we woke you up tonight, so thank you

[fferyllt]

I think the thing that probably most characterizes my scum game is that I don't expect to get to endgame, and I put more thought and effort into the NKs and into setting up my partner(s) situations to improve their chances.

[notscience]

That's not what I asked. You said you were a fan of NKA. I'm asking you how a combination of Bert+Kaze makes sense killing GM.

[fferyllt]

But, scum you+kaze?

Why would a combo of bert+kaze want to kill GM?

I don't remember GM going after kaze. She had Cabd and me as scum after TSO, didn't she? The person I remember most going after Kaze on day 1 was Bert.

[fferyllt]

That's not what I asked. You said you were a fan of NKA. I'm asking you how a combination of Bert+Kaze makes sense killing GM.

I wasn't answering that question. I was actually kinda musing about how I would have played this game as scum to the extent I can put my head into that space. I don't think it's helpful though, because I don't think there is anyone left in the game who plays scum the way I would.

[notscience]

Exactly my point.

There is no sense in those two killing GM.

I know I'm town.

I know they can't be scum together.

And I like bert for town over wisdom.

[Bert]

I think the thing that probably most characterizes my scum game is that I don't expect to get to endgame, and I put more thought and effort into the NKs and into setting up my partner(s) situations to improve their chances.

This is true, you did tell me and Cabd this, and Cabd said the same about having a short shelf-life and saying I could go all the way in Mismatched, and that you would kill whoever helps my chances best (along the lines of that).

Hmm, yeah you tried to set it up so that we win even if you all got lynched. I remember this.

That's why Cabd was so scummy. IT was like he was trying to intentionally meta-dodge by screaming FRAMEJOB when D2 started and saying how he'd never make that kill. It was the exact opposite of something Cabd-scum does. So that made me paranoid as hell.

[fferyllt]

The GM kill looked newb, careless or designed for misdirection/lack of information.

notsci, who chose Dessew for the n1 kill in cash cabd?

[notscience]

We all did, in conjunction.