Mini 1515: Touhou Imperishable Night (Game Over)

[thezmon221]

Look. I'm not going to be too many more retards, lying pieces of shit, sacks of shit, and dickheads before I stop turning the the other cheek and start making complaints. I'm not even playing. Stop. If that's the best you've got that's just sad.

Then maybe you should start, you know, actually show that you want to play by actually working with others in game. Just because you

think

I'm scum because you

think

you know what I'm thinking doesn't mean you're right. It doesn't mean I'm scum. For all you know, I could be a Survivor. I'm trying to scumhunt just as you supposedly are trying to do, and at this point you're being a complete detriment to the entire town and are playing in an anti-town manner. Even if I was scum, there are others who would benefit from the information.

I challenged you to show me why I'm scum other than making a speculation on my thought process, which is 100% inaccurate and a massive misrep of my state of mind. You have yet to live up to my challenge, and continue to say, "oh, he says he's not concerned with his image, but he clearly is," when I've already rebutted that argument. This is how a debate works. You bring up a point, I rebut it and bring up a point and you rebut and we go on. You not "associating" yourself with your scum reads is a grave mistake. That's how you get yourself into your shit tunneling.

[waynegg]

No fleasmon. That doesn't excuse your behavior.

[borkjerfkin]

This game could use about 100% less ad-hominem. Thanks.

[waynegg]

I do my thing the way I do my thing. I'm not going to deviate from that just because a couple of whiney scumbutts want me to do something different. Nor am I going to debase myself to stoop down to their level. If those two don't like it, they can sit on it and spin. Everyone who's played a couple or a few games with me, while they may not approve of or understand the means, know the ends are good. Deal with it. You aren't getting any more out of me by using my town reads to do your dirty work either.

[zMuffinMan]

Attention players of Mini 1515,

For each hour that goes by that wayne is still alive, I will kill a kitten with my bare hands. I don't want to do this, but you're going to force my hand.

Think of the kittens and do what is right.

[thezmon221]

I do my thing the way I do my thing. I'm not going to deviate from that just because a couple of whiney scumbutts want me to do something different. Nor am I going to debase myself to stoop down to their level. If those two don't like it, they can sit on it and spin. Everyone who's played a couple or a few games with me, while they may not approve of or understand the means, know the ends are good. Deal with it. You aren't getting any more out of me by using my town reads to do your dirty work either.

I beg to differ. I've seen a few of your games, and I'd stick to my original conclusion that you're a detriment to the town. I see the town getting by just fine without you when you're town.

It's simply astounding how stubborn you are with a failed method.

[zMuffinMan]

kitten #1 dies in 50 minutes

Spoiler:

don't make me do this

[waynegg]

I do my thing the way I do my thing. I'm not going to deviate from that just because a couple of whiney scumbutts want me to do something different. Nor am I going to debase myself to stoop down to their level. If those two don't like it, they can sit on it and spin. Everyone who's played a couple or a few games with me, while they may not approve of or understand the means, know the ends are good. Deal with it. You aren't getting any more out of me by using my town reads to do your dirty work either.

I beg to differ. I've seen a few of your games, and I'd stick to my original conclusion that you're a detriment to the town. I see the town getting by just fine without you when you're town.

It's simply astounding how stubborn you are with a failed method.

People not listening to is not, nor has it ever been, my problem. I've reliably nailed the majority of team scum, D1, in all but one game I've played for the last year or so. You're going to have to do better than that. Stating your flawed opinion doesn't make it fact, so get to work!

[thezmon221]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=29747
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=29170

Two examples of you being wrong in your reads D1.

I didn't bother reading more games after finding these two. And I only checked maybe three total.

Spoiler: Reads list in Game #2

Bolded is scum
Fence Climbing Puppies (Null)
Frequency
Miszu
MP5 (SE)

startransmission (IC)

Poopie Puppies (Scum)
TheIrishPope (SE)


Cuddly Puppies (Town)
Voodoo Lady (SE)
SuperMafiaMan

Starstorm

So I go back to my original statement that you are constantly making empty comments and are being detrimental to the town wincon.

[morph the cat]

So I go back to my original statement that you are constantly making empty comments and are being detrimental to the town wincon.

Do you think he's scum?

[thezmon221]

So I go back to my original statement that you are constantly making empty comments and are being detrimental to the town wincon.

Do you think he's scum?

I do think he's scum. Not specifically because of his stubbornness to help the town, but because of earlier reasons stated. It is a tad weaker, since I don't see scum doing this stubborn act too often, but it's still the best scum read I have.

[morph the cat]

It seems more like you're arguing that he's terrible at reading you than that he's scum.

[waynegg]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=29747
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=29170

Two examples of you being wrong in your reads D1.

I didn't bother reading more games after finding these two. And I only checked maybe three total.

Spoiler: Reads list in Game #2

Bolded is scum
Fence Climbing Puppies (Null)
Frequency
Miszu
MP5 (SE)

startransmission (IC)

Poopie Puppies (Scum)
TheIrishPope (SE)


Cuddly Puppies (Town)
Voodoo Lady (SE)
SuperMafiaMan

Starstorm

So I go back to my original statement that you are constantly making empty comments and are being detrimental to the town wincon.

So a marathon where there's little time to speak, much less think things through thoroughly and a Newbie where a nailed50%. You call those good examples?

[zMuffinMan]

nailing 50% of the scum in a newbie game is rather admirable. gotta give him credit where credit is due.

[thezmon221]

It seems more like you're arguing that he's terrible at reading you than that he's scum.

At this present time I haven't been arguing he's scum. I've argued hes a detriment to the town.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=29747
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=29170

Two examples of you being wrong in your reads D1.

I didn't bother reading more games after finding these two. And I only checked maybe three total.

Spoiler: Reads list in Game #2

Bolded is scum
Fence Climbing Puppies (Null)
Frequency
Miszu
MP5 (SE)

startransmission (IC)

Poopie Puppies (Scum)
TheIrishPope (SE)


Cuddly Puppies (Town)
Voodoo Lady (SE)
SuperMafiaMan

Starstorm

So I go back to my original statement that you are constantly making empty comments and are being detrimental to the town wincon.

So a marathon where there's little time to speak, much less think things through thoroughly and a Newbie where a nailed50%. You call those good examples?

Null =/= scum. You got a 0% in a Newbie.

And you said in games. Not to mention, the majority of your games are marathon games, so I'd suspect you had some kind of experience with thinking things through quickly. Either way, you said to give examples where you're wrong. I did exactly that.

Either way, I'm done arguing with you. It's like arguing with a brick wall.

[thezmon221]

nailing 50% of the scum in a newbie game is rather admirable. gotta give him credit where credit is due.

No, not really. I'd rather not, especially since he played a number of games prior to/during the Newbie game.

[waynegg]

Mara already crumbed using TIP as her personal tool to further her wincon while being very tactfully null on the rest of her statement. She's right I suppose.

She

certainly seems absolutely sure of it.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Mara

Reads change. Especially on e people started actually posting, not that it matters here.

GiF was in that game. Let him weigh in.

[thezmon221]

Mara already crumbed using TIP as her personal tool to further her wincon while being very tactfully null on the rest of her statement. She's right I suppose.

She

certainly seems absolutely sure of it.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Mara

Reads change. Especially on e people started actually posting, not that it matters here.

GiF was in that game. Let him weigh in.

I love how my reads are not allowed to change, but yours are (Post 485/6).

Seriously, talk about a double standard.

But fair enough, 50%. I'm still done arguing about the subject.

[waynegg]

Reads can change but there was neither continuity nor conditioning for your reads to have abruptly changed. Nor have you since provided any reasons. You just kinda latched onto me since I voted for you.

[zMuffinMan]

i really don't care whether or not his reads have been somewhat accurate in past games. most people in this game can probably boast something similar.

i don't think he's town here, so it doesn't matter.

Nor have you since provided any reasons.

heh

[waynegg]

Ok Walder

[thezmon221]

Spoiler:

Oops, forgot to post intended post #2:

Pie/V is TvT.

{ BRO, PA/Ghost, mastin, morph, pie, psych, V}
{Wayne, newearth}
{Mac, Mafia, Muffin}

Vast majority of my reads are gut/feel reads. Only probably 3-4 are legit backed with evidence.

Second slot is scum.

That's not very nice weenie dog! I have something for you...

13. zMuffinMan
2. Ghostly Penguin (Ghostlin + penguin_alien)
10. thezmon221

Is there another BFF?

Yes, you also forgot:

BRO
Mastin
Morph the Cat
Pie
Psychlone
Varsoon
Mac

That’s called the “town” in some mafia games.

You're telling me these don't look similar? Correct me if I'm wrong, and I implore you to do so, because I very well may be wrong, but that is very, very consistent. I took two people out of null and placed them into the town slot. SSK remains untouched, and I still have my two scum reads.

And I don't usually provide reasons for my reads unless:
A: Someone requests an explanation.
B: I am voting for the person.

As for the voting and latching onto you think, that's just the kind of misrep you've constantly been doing. I've been saying you're scum since post 242. Back then it was more gut-based, though it still had reason. I was succumbed to the circumstance that there was a long amount of time between my post voting for you and your interactions, so you simply beat me to a vote. That does not mean I OMGUS'ed you, because I didn't.

You don't even have a real reason for voting me. Almost all of your points are moot.

[zMuffinMan]

i asked you to talk about your reasons for thinking i'm scum because the sole reason you've given ("buddying varsoon") is something you should know i do as town (especially if you read D2 of xenogears, where all i did was argue against the nick lynch and called the reasons for nick being scum shit). not only that, but the specific instance you're referring to here is something pieguy asked me to do. i don't think you're really bad enough to think that talking about something i was asked to talk about is scummy. and i don't think you actually have any good reason for thinking i'm scum.

so i asked you to expand on your reads.

but you're not going to do that because you don't have good reasons.

[waynegg]

Oh. So first it was "buddying? How the hell am I buddying?" And now it's " ooh huh! BUUDYING! Yeah, I do that as town too..."
Okderp

[thezmon221]

but you're not going to do that because you don't have good reasons.

Welcome to my world.