A uPick of Ice & Fire - Day 12 - #REKT?

[kanyeknowsbest]

I'm thinking Zed might be a better lynch.

Why?

In other news,
Unvote: Spyrex
Vote: elleheathen

Why?

I support the SpyreX wagon but like my lonely vote on Nautilius better for now.

I thiiiiink I'm ok with the Zdenek wagon as well, but need to pay more attention to him to make sure I still think he's scum. He's fallen off the radar for me, but it's more because I haven't been paying as much attention to his posts that anything else.

this is a pretty dang gross post if you think abt it w. spyscum and inno goat in mind.

[kanyeknowsbest]

unvote

[Nautilius]

Unvote, Vote: AGar

I'll sit here for now. I agree quadz doesn't look awesome.

[quadz08]

I did not crumb cop.

I thought I had crumbed something on my Goat result, but upon looking back in my ISO to find it, it doesn't look like I did. >_<


Kanye, can you explain what's gross about the post you just quoted?

[ooba]

Except for these five folk, everyone else has posted after my post:
3. Andrius AGar
8. Goat on a Raft (Channeldelibird/AurorusVox)

12. Nautilius (Nacho/Ellibereth)
18. Shadoweh
19. StupendousMan Katsuki

But I repeat again - if you're town and blocked Quadz, you should claim now.

I find the odds that quadz, a middling townread for pretty much everyone, got roleblocked by on the day when SD said that he tracked him intensely weird.

Yet Agar?

Here's the play:
- Mislynch SD today
- Lynch Quadz tomorrow
If we're totally wrong about Quadz-scum and SD actually turns up scum (and we gain a misunderstood town Quadz Macho cop bonus) - I'l take it.

[Titus]

@Naut, here's the short version

GR is a current scumread mostly due to his elle vote. Nati head gives a description saying that the heads reached a compromise to vote threats. Instead, the head votes elle in a manner that just suggests piling on. I couldn't determine what threat was given by casting the vote. As the day went on, nothing really allieviated this.

PnJ as a scumread due to his behavior while lynchtrained.

Tierce is a townread due to the aggression. It's not perfect but a decent lean.

Shadoweh is a fucking strong townread because he types whatever I am thinking a few posts later usually. Cannot fake that three or four times as I have seen it happen.

[Benmage]

personally i feel very :I abt the whole situ.

Ya, this days looking gloom.

Still time to lynch alchemist. Think I could pull off two deadline PL?? *disclaimer* (not gonna happen... sooo lethargic)

[Benmage]

PnJ, Elle, MC... all seem solid lynches.

[Eddard Stark]

Day 4, Vc 21

The Alchemist (1) -

Benmage

Titus (3) -

SafetyDance, Goat on a Raft, elleheathen

SafetyDance (7) -

quadz08, AGar, ooba, The Alchemist, Cephrir, Garruk Relentless, Titus

quadz08 (2) -

Shadoweh, Goat on a Raft

Tierce (1) -

Katsuki

Garruk Relentless (1) -

Messiah Complex

No lynch (1) -

PrideandJoy

AGar (1) -

Nautilius

Not voting (4)

- Alfred Borden, Tammy, Tierce, kanyeknowsbest

With 20 alive it takes 11 votes to lynch

• Deadline Date: 10th of November at 17:00 EDT
  
• Deadline Countdown: (expired on 2013-11-10 17:00:00)
  
• Tierce is V/la. Your mod is V/la again. elleheathen is V/la

Looking for a replacement for Goat on a Raft - if they post before I find one they can keep their slot.

[Cephrir]

personally i feel very :I abt the whole situ.

Ya, this days looking gloom.

Still time to lynch alchemist. Think I could pull off two deadline PL?? *disclaimer* (not gonna happen... sooo lethargic)

This is probably the one thing I would accept over lynching in the 1v1 today.

[PrideandJoy]

so what's the argument against no-lynching today so Quadz has one chance to prove his cop claim and at the same time Titus gets to prove his whacked ability.

I'd like to hear it.

[Benmage]

^Lynching ALchemist would be better.

[Benmage]

Anyways.. start voting, ceph etc.. and maybe it will happen.

[Titus]

PnJ, Why no lynch? If you're against the 1 v 1, then lynching another scum read is appropriate. Are you actually saying you have no scum reads outside of quadz/SD?

BenMage, I haven't got to the Alchemist yet in my read. Can you give me something besides The Alchemist's moronic push on me? I try not to lynch idiots solely for being idiots. SD has my vote because he's trying to derail the obvious way Quadz can prove himself as town. It seems like he's more against town unity and his clarity has been serving that purpose. I felt your frustration with Thor as I could see his play not being his best.

[Cephrir]

so what's the argument against no-lynching today so Quadz has one chance to prove his cop claim and at the same time Titus gets to prove his whacked ability.

I'd like to hear it.

I'd sooner lynch you than nolynch. Just because we get a free lynch probably, doesn't mean we don't have to use it. I guess there isn't any *harm* n letting SD and quadz continue existing, but I feel like letting these sorts of things continue existing always turns out badly.

Fine.

VOTE: Alchemist

[Cephrir]

@Titus: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

[Titus]

Will read later. Gotta get work done.

[ooba]

The Alchemist is a mistake. Not that he cant be scum, but we're going about it the wrong way.

Never let a 1v1 continue - you have information, use it - then act on that information.

We flip Safety today - if he flips scum, Alchemist is town for his D1 push on dance and push today.
We flip Safety today - he flips town, we lycnh Quadz tomorrow - he flips scum. Off the top of my head, I can probably see a good case for Alchemist scum based on:
- SpyreX never joining his wagon and always staying on Zednek
- Alchemist saying "ooba is on moonbeams" as soon as i came out with my SpyreX-elle-quadz links (before flip)

However, if we lynch Alchemist today and
- He flips scum, then i can clear Safety based on similar reasoning as above. We lynch Quadz tomorrow
- He flips town, i have no clue on what that means for SD and Quadz alignments

[quadz08]

I feel like letting these sorts of things continue existing always turns out badly.

dingdingding

[Goat on a Raft]

Don't replace me bro

[quadz08]

post something useful

also coinfirm that you didn't rb me last night kthx

[Titus]

I think SD is scummy in his own right, but I still don't see how 1 v 1 occurs between quadz and SD given how much of an unreliable hesitant narrator SD is. I just find SD scummy in his own right, that's why I am voting him.

[Goat on a Raft]

So I only wanted to post here drunk but it looks like I won't have that luxury.

Unvote

Unvote

I saw some claims. I had a little think about them. Basically the cop claim from Quadz AFTER the global roleblock claim from Titus sees Quadz live another two days*, and for the convenience that offers, I find it a little fishy. Nor do I think the claim makes Titus any more town. But I do see the value in lynching neither of them today.

That said, NL is a terrible idea since we should make the most of there being "no kill" (assuming Titus' roleblock is legit). I want to lynch pnj just for suggesting it. Oh wait.

Vote: Pride and Joy

From my whizzbang notes, I had SafetyDance as "no idea" though CDB had him leaning town so I won't place a vote there in the meantime.

Vote: Messiah

*Since if we're not lynching him today, and he can't die/investigate tonight if Titus is legit, the likelihood is we don't lynch him tomorrow either. If the roleblock is illegitimate, we're lynching Titus tomorrow so he lives til the next day anyway. The "macho" claim ensures "let scum deal with it" is a probable argument (it may have even been made already), so I don't see us lynching him as happening.

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Okay so I just ninja'd into some talk about 1v1 action from Titus. I have a metric shitton of marking so I haven't read much past the claims, just skimmed the VC. Maybe CDB will check it out tonight.

Quadz if I had a roleblock I would roleblock you. Alas, I do not, and did not.

[Katsuki]

Going to note that from skimming here and there, I dislike both SD and quadz posting and would be fine with seeing either of them dead.

Though, I'm disliking a lot of posting so who knows how accurate that is.

[Tierce]

Can someone explain why SafetyDance and quadz are being interpreted as 1v1?

Because it's not. A roleblocked player goes nowhere, not to themselves.