A uPick of Ice & Fire - Day 12 - #REKT?

[Benmage]

Sdance... never claimed quadz visited himself o.O??

[Tierce]

Tammy said he should have been tracked to himself. Regardless of that, why are people treating this as a 1v1 in the first place when neither's flip confirms the other as lying?

[Cephrir]

Can someone explain why SafetyDance and quadz are being interpreted as 1v1?

Because it's not. A roleblocked player goes nowhere, not to themselves.

You think? I would rule they still target whoever they targeted.

[kanyeknowsbest]

Tammy said he should have been tracked to himself. Regardless of that, why are people treating this as a 1v1 in the first place when neither's flip confirms the other as lying?

the convenience of the situation heavily implies one of them is a liar.

[kanyeknowsbest]

Can someone explain why SafetyDance and quadz are being interpreted as 1v1?

Because it's not. A roleblocked player goes nowhere, not to themselves.

You think? I would rule they still target whoever they targeted.

a roleblocked player doesnt go anywhere. i dont think ive ever seen a mod who would give any tracker result from a player who was roleblocked, and i know i sure as hell wouldnt

[kanyeknowsbest]

well if he roleblocked Quadz N2, then w/e no point voting for Quadz. If N3, then yes, lynch Quadz. simple stuff

Quadz, nothing on this?

What's there to say? We don't know what SafetyDance actually meant, and I'm not particularly concerned about him possibly claiming to have roleblocked me. I'll freak out about it when people start voting me for it. *shrug*

if you knew that you were roleblocked, wouldnt you be a little bit more concerned here about whether or not he actually did roleblock you?

[kanyeknowsbest]

vpote quadz

[kanyeknowsbest]

think quadz needs to die.

[Tierce]

Going nowhere is the Normal and usual result, Cephrir.

As for the convenience, that's a different point, but that's not a 1v1.


Looking into the rest today/tomorrow. Getting people on their way home and just generally collapsing from tiredness.

[Tammy]

I wasn't considering the possibility of there being a third party to the situation blocking quadz when I said he should have been tracked to himself. I was only considering it in the context of what SD had claimed to do.

Also, bordempire - Aeron Greyjoy is a priest. I don't have much time right now, but him being a cop is something I'm worried about flavorwise because at first glance it doesn't make sense to me. But it's something I want to look back at and think about.

[Nautilius]

so Nacho's computer got stolen or something
so I'm going to try

and read this thing

tt
xD
gg

[Tierce]

Tammy, he wouldn't still be tracked to himself if he was roleblocked. Not how roleblocks work.

I don't see a lot of issues with the Damphair being a cop...?

[Tammy]

Tammy, he wouldn't still be tracked to himself if he was roleblocked. Not how roleblocks work.

I don't see a lot of issues with the Damphair being a cop...?

No. SD is saying he tracked Quadz. Quadz is saying he was roleblocked. I was looking at it from SD's point of view in which if he tracked Quadz then he should have tracked quadz to himself (because he was saying he didn't roleblock quadz that night.) I wasn't considering the possibility of someone else roleblocking quadz which would make both their claims correct.

[Eddard Stark]

Day 4, Vc 22

The Alchemist (2) -

Benmage, Cephrir

Titus (2) -

SafetyDance, elleheathen

SafetyDance (6) -

quadz08, AGar, ooba, The Alchemist, Garruk Relentless, Titus

quadz08 (2) -

Shadoweh, kanyesknowsbest

Tierce (1) -

Katsuki

Garruk Relentless (1) -

Messiah Complex

No lynch (1) -

PrideandJoy

AGar (1) -

Nautilius

PrideandJoy (1) -

Goat on a Raft

Messiah Complex (1)-

Goat on a Raft

Not voting (3)

- Alfred Borden, Tammy, Tierce

With 20 alive it takes 11 votes to lynch

• Deadline Date: 10th of November at 17:00 EDT
  
• Deadline Countdown: (expired on 2013-11-10 17:00:00)
  
• Tierce is V/la. Your mod is V/la again. elleheathen is V/la

[Titus]

Tammy, he wouldn't still be tracked to himself if he was roleblocked. Not how roleblocks work.

I don't see a lot of issues with the Damphair being a cop...?

No. SD is saying he tracked Quadz. Quadz is saying he was roleblocked. I was looking at it from SD's point of view in which if he tracked Quadz then he should have tracked quadz to himself (because he was saying he didn't roleblock quadz that night.) I wasn't considering the possibility of someone else roleblocking quadz which would make both their claims correct.

Correct. Also, if SD has his actions messed up, that also prevents a 1 v 1. I'm gravely concerned that scums are pushing a contradiction as an inherent 1 v 1 to try and get two mislynches.

[Goat on a Raft]

I see my citric colleague has been (

magnificently

) indahouse. Good timing, too, as NaNoWriMo has been kicking me in the face. Should be able to catch up tomorrow.

[Tierce]

Okay, who is this "himself" that SafetyDance should have seen quadz visiting? Because quadz would never be seen visiting quadz if he was roleblocked by anyone.

[Tammy]

Okay, who is this "himself" that SafetyDance should have seen quadz visiting? Because quadz would never be seen visiting quadz if he was roleblocked by anyone.

OH. MY. GODS.

Clearly you're just not reading what I'm writing. I was not considering that anyone else could be involved.

If SD tracked Quadz (meaning he didn't roleblock him just like he's saying he didn't do) then he would have seen him tracked to himself. However, Quadz is claiming that he was roleblocked, assuming that SD is the one lying and that he didn't track him but roleblocked him that night.

I was looking at those two claims in complete and utter isolation of anything else. Of course if Quadz was blocked he wouldn't be tracked to SD, but SD isn't claiming to have blocked Quadz, he's claiming to have tracked him.

Are you trolling me because I think it's really clear what I was and wasn't considering. I of course know what a roleblocker does. I wasn't considering anyone else roleblocking quadz; therefore the claims as given by those two individuals in complete isolation from the rest of the game didn't add up.

[kanyeknowsbest]

can we just kill quadz

[Titus]

can we just kill quadz

If he fails to have knowledge of my flavorname, we kill him with fire tomorrow. He can be verified and so can I.

[Tierce]

Tammy. Why would SD track quadz to quadz? I'm not trolling you, I have no idea why that would happen. Players do not get tracked to themselves unless they are redirected there or have a self-targeting ability.

[Shadoweh]

She means quadz targetted SD, so SD should have tracked quadz to SD.

[Tammy]

OH Okay. Miscommunication, sorry.

SD claims to have tracked Quadz. Quadz said that he investigated SD last night. So if SD tracked quadz and quadz wasn't blocked then SD should have seen quadz visit himself (SD) last night.

Also if someone roleblocked quadz, then faraday just went roleblocker happy this game.

[Tierce]

So it's still not a 1v1.

Alright then.

[quadz08]

It is possible that a non-SD scum RB could have targeted me last night, I suppose, and SD actually

did

track me to nowhere.

Hrm.

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