Marketplace Mafia III - Game Over

[Magua]

Vote Count 3.12

With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch.

Nero Cain (6): Lost Butterfly, zMuffinMan, VoidedMafia, Lord Mhork, Harakiri, Ghostly Penguin
VoidedMafia (3): 1baldeagle1, uʍop ǝpısdn, morph the cat
Seanald (2): ProHawk, pieguyn
KingdomAces (2): Garuda, BBmolla
zMuffinMan (1): Nero Cain

Not Voting (4): PeregrineV, Seanald, KingdomAces, JacobSavage

Deadline for Day 3 is Tuesday, November 12th, at 3:00pm EST (site time).
Countdown to deadline:

(expired on 2013-11-12 15:00:00)

[Lost Butterfly]

Actually, let's try something for a bit:

VOTE: ProHawk

[BBmolla]

Does anyone think Kingdom is town and if so why?

zdenek

that's about it, really

But I don't think Zdenek's play was town

[Lost Butterfly]

The claim and like his first three posts were town. Then he disappeared (which he did all over the site, so is unrelated to alignment).

[Ghostly Penguin]

I don't like the timing at all of this vote. Did you ISO Nero before making this post, Ghostlin? Or read any posts of his?

Are you fucking kidding me?

Nero Cain has intermittently gone between periods of inactivity and things that look LIKE activity. He's not what we call a high content poster this game, but ignoring THAT for a minute, that post ALONE was worthy of a fucking vote.

His entire predicate on that post is based on two things: one, the fact that Muffin forgetting about a game whereupon Nero once played with him (and as PA pointed out in our hydra thread, was the kind of game you have long drinks to forget and was playing with an alt) deliberately and maliciously, and that he could use that for actual scum motivation versus any other motivation including 'gee, I forgot we even played that game'.

Nero's been around this game a bit longer than we have. You wouldn't accept that bullshit from me, so why would you, in any conceivable universe, accept it from him?

[Ghostly Penguin]

Didn't you replace in yesterday? Why didn't you say something then?

Had little enough time to read the damn thread and had better things to do re: catching up as it was. You'll also noticed we didn't vote yesterday also, and I'm pretty damn on the move about placing a vote. Why didn't I answer this question earlier, you may also be asking? The fact we're on page 101 and I'm trying to get the energy to read the damn thread in full (I've made it up to 70ish + pages after we replaced in after this post) is the other reason.

Yeah, I may be lazy and unmotivated by Ghostlin standards, but I'll just not fuck with you here: I've been pretty busy mafia wise, and the game thread is pretty damn dry.

[ProHawk]

Whats wrong Cat? Don't like that I dont trust you?

This is a horrible response to our read of you because your read on me has nothing to do with our stated reasoning. You trying to retro-actively call it OMGUS is noted.

About as bad as your read that I am "disengaged" when there are other more disengaged people?

[ProHawk]

Right now other lynches I could do are ProHawk and MAYBE KingdomAces.

Why not seanald?

[morph the cat]

Whats wrong Cat? Don't like that I dont trust you?

This is a horrible response to our read of you because your read on me has nothing to do with our stated reasoning. You trying to retro-actively call it OMGUS is noted.

About as bad as your read that I am "disengaged" when there are other more disengaged people?

The thing is, I'm not used to seeing you disengaged when you're town. To the contrary. And the one scum game of yours I saw, you did take a considerable backseat at times.

[ProHawk]

Who am I talking to?

[KingdomAces]

Okay, starting with things I don't have to do any research to respond to.

Spoiler: Quote stripping at VM

I'm not sure how that could be construed as "disavowing ownership" of what I said. I was clarifying what we were arguing about, explaining my annoyance with Prohawk's second statement, then pointing out to you how anger isn't just a one-way tell.

I suppose I didn't word that correctly. What I meant was you specifically stated, twice, that your argument had nothing to do with your alignment, and you would have done the same as either. Not exactly disavowing ownership, but still giving the same "nothing to see here, move on" kind of feeling.

But why not see if it wasn't actually WKing? IIRC Baldeagle said I was WKing and latched onto that from the get-go, and I don't recall him saying anything different. I can understand not wanting to be defeated by the same tactic again, but better sense would be to make sure it IS actually happening again, right?

Also, I don't really get a sense of "righteousness" from his posts, just a "gotta kill VM, gotta kill VM" sense <_<.

Like I said, I've done it before, and when I did I wasn't paying attention to reason whatsoever. I know this probably doesn't help you see what I'm talking about, but I can't really describe it.

Do you believe this isn't a two-team game?

I may have forgotten about that temporarily, but scum cannot bus in this setup due to money issues. One scum is already down. If he's scum and thinks that you are on the other team, he's still not going to be acting the way he is.

Did Mhork medium-ing Pyro affect your read on him? If yes, how?

Yes, it gave me a leaning-town read on him from absolutely no read at all. Pyro was by far my strongest townread when I was reading the beginning of day one, (noting that this was before he died, I tried to keep up with the game for a while before I replaced in, but ultimately failed) so I don't find the fact that he chose to medium them specifically problematic at all, and he genuinely seems to be trying to work with conftown and get their postdeath reads back into the game.

How do you feel about Seanald? Upside Down?

I've already given my opinion on these two. Seanald is looking scummy for his advertising choice as well as general apathy towards this game after getting totally blown apart as scum in II. Also I agree with whoever said that his "See you on day two" before the activation of Deadline was weirdly timed. I'm annoyed with N's posting style, but whenever Quilford posts I immediately get a townread on that slot. More reasoning for this coming after research, but that might take a while.

Morph: I am incredibly disengaged. How is that an alignment tell? This is the first time I'm replacing into a game where I hadn't read the whole thing before offering, and frankly I'm beginning to think that was a mistake.

[ProHawk]

Oh, and you should check out this game if you are going to just claim a meta tell on me. Otherwise, I would love to hear why my "disengaged" play is scum-play.

NY: Rust

I had 77 posts in a game of almost 2k posts. Heck, you can check any NY or large game. So excuse me while I call your read BS.

[Ghostly Penguin]

Oh, and you should check out this game if you are going to just claim a meta tell on me. Otherwise, I would love to hear why my "disengaged" play is scum-play.

NY: Rust

I had 77 posts in a game of almost 2k posts. Heck, you can check any NY or large game. So excuse me while I call your read BS.

Do you find this as an acceptable reason NOT to lynch you? God damn, I hate people who come up with the defense of 'I always lurk', (which is this defense's twin brother) and then smartly say 'now prove it's scum-play'.

Not being in the game can be scum play because it's play generally regardless of alignment, and some times is play that regardless of alignment, gets you to the endgame.

[Lost Butterfly]

I don't like the timing at all of this vote. Did you ISO Nero before making this post, Ghostlin? Or read any posts of his?

Are you fucking kidding me?

Nero Cain has intermittently gone between periods of inactivity and things that look LIKE activity. He's not what we call a high content poster this game, but ignoring THAT for a minute, that post ALONE was worthy of a fucking vote.

His entire predicate on that post is based on two things: one, the fact that Muffin forgetting about a game whereupon Nero once played with him (and as PA pointed out in our hydra thread, was the kind of game you have long drinks to forget and was playing with an alt) deliberately and maliciously, and that he could use that for actual scum motivation versus any other motivation including 'gee, I forgot we even played that game'.

Nero's been around this game a bit longer than we have. You wouldn't accept that bullshit from me, so why would you, in any conceivable universe, accept it from him?

Is that a yes or a no? Have you read Nero's other posts?

Because if you had (or read my argument with Muffin over whether his OMGUSing is scummy--I liked Muffin's responses, although my question about the genuineness of his push WASN'T rhetorical), you'd realize that Nero has, in fact, attacked Muffin (for silly reasons) long before his "big smoking gun." Understandable considering you're a replacement, but I wanted to hear your explanation, because the stated reason was superficial.

Also, from what little I've gathered of Nero's meta, no one here is holding him to burden of proficiency standards. (I mean, I found the "Muffinscum is getting lynched" line to be posturing, and I'm very interested in hearing Nero's explanation for the dastardly scum motivation behind Muffin lying about that. But it's not completely inconceivable that town would get excited over catching a scum read in a big "contradiction"? There are much better reasons to suspect Nero than his join date.)

[ProHawk]

Oh, and you should check out this game if you are going to just claim a meta tell on me. Otherwise, I would love to hear why my "disengaged" play is scum-play.

NY: Rust

I had 77 posts in a game of almost 2k posts. Heck, you can check any NY or large game. So excuse me while I call your read BS.

Do you find this as an acceptable reason NOT to lynch you? God damn, I hate people who come up with the defense of 'I always lurk', (which is this defense's twin brother) and then smartly say 'now prove it's scum-play'.

Not being in the game can be scum play because it's play generally regardless of alignment, and some times is play that regardless of alignment, gets you to the endgame.

Do you feel like I am lurking? You have an anger management issue.

[PeregrineV]

Was prodded. Doing medical stuff today, but will check back in tonight.

[morph the cat]

Who am I talking to?

fferyllt. I don't measure engagement by quantity of posts. Town-you, thinking I'm scum, would be going after me with all the conviction of your play in Xenologue. Which had nothing to do with how frequently you posted.

[ProHawk]

Do you think I am more scum than Voided?

[Lost Butterfly]

Something I noticed when answering ProHawk's question about Seanald (it's partly sheeping Nacho's meta reasons, partly kind of liking his brashness on a gut level, and partly just feeling like he's an easy vote-a-low-posting-weak-player-because-we-have-nothing-better-to-do lynch).

We need your top six town reads (excluding yourself) and the 5 abilities you think are most important to advertise.

Alrighty.

TownReads

Morph
Garuda
Lost butterfly
Muffin
Nero
Pieguy

Abilities

Market analyst
coroner
Doctor
Cop
Commuter

Why didn't you put Austerity Measures on this list?

[ProHawk]

he's an easy vote-a-low-posting-weak-player-because-we-have-nothing-better-to-do lynch

You had no problem lynching Hermy....

[morph the cat]

Do you think I am more scum than Voided?

I'm not sure. I wasn't really convinced that Cabd is right about you, but your reaction to the reads list feels off. Why do you care where you are in the heirarchy of scumreads? I don't think I've ever been moved to ask a question like that.

[morph the cat]

he's an easy vote-a-low-posting-weak-player-because-we-have-nothing-better-to-do lynch

You had no problem lynching Hermy....

That was mostly a deadline-driven lynch.

[Lost Butterfly]

@ProHawk:

please

don't start another argument over how obvtown Hermy was again. But it's totally possible to read weakish, lurky players (in fact, sometimes they're the easiest to read because they can't fool people). And for me, it had nothing to do with the deadline. I genuinely thought Hermy was really, really, REALLY incompetent scum. Turns out she was just really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, REALLY incompetent town.

Either way, he can only be RH scum.

Why is that?

Because you're not DoctorPepper's scumbuddy?

On that note:

i'm having second thoughts about voided atm.

i don't really see voided-scum making sense as a DP partner - some people are saying his vote looked like a bus, but i don't see it.

and i don't see him going, "yeah, i'm really just voting him out of self-preservation" as scum - that sounded more like something i'd expect voided to be saying truthfully as town.

Um...

[KingdomAces]

On second read... I don't actually know where my Quilford townread came from. I guess it was just that much of a relief to see content from that slot that I didn't really think about it. That and the fact that I agreed with his points on Garuda. I'm moving Quilford to null for now, so that makes that slot overall null-scum.

ISO'ing Muffin, I don't really understand why he was a fairly strong townread of a few people early D1, but there were a few incidences of trying to get people who were nonsensically arguing back on track, and nothing really stood out as scummy to me. I'll put him at leaning town right now.

Morph, you still haven't said how my engagement is an alignment tell.

Note to self: Still to ISO, BBmolla, ProHawk, Nero. Not sure if this is going to be now, because I kind of want sleep at the moment.

[Seanald]

Something I noticed when answering ProHawk's question about Seanald (it's partly sheeping Nacho's meta reasons, partly kind of liking his brashness on a gut level, and partly just feeling like he's an easy vote-a-low-posting-weak-player-because-we-have-nothing-better-to-do lynch).

We need your top six town reads (excluding yourself) and the 5 abilities you think are most important to advertise.

Alrighty.

TownReads

Morph
Garuda
Lost butterfly
Muffin
Nero
Pieguy

Abilities

Market analyst
coroner
Doctor
Cop
Commuter

Why didn't you put Austerity Measures on this list?

Cuz I already got one.