Micro 256 ~ Bailey and Hunt's time is over. (Mafia Wins)

[Squirrel Girl]

Also, Desperado, if you want to keep that signature can you at least always talk about someone after you talk about me. Because whenever I get to the signature I feel like you're having a go with me.

[Malakittens]

1.08

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch

Voting:

*bazinga -
*T S O - JacobSavage [1]
*Desperado - ArcAngel9 [1]
*ArcAngel9 -
*penguin_alien -
*Squirrel Girl -
*shos - RationalMadman, Desperado [2]
*JacobSavage - T S O [1]
*RationalMadman - penguin_alien, shos, Squirrel Girl [3]

Not Voting:

bazinga [1]

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2013-11-21 16:22:00)

[Desperado]

I do not really understand anyone particularly wanting Shos dead,

I sort of think him being disagreeable and arguing about the plan shows town intent - even if scum feared the current plan I think they'd be too scared to say something against it because so many have voiced support

. I think he's raising legitimate questions about it, and it feels super towny.

It's not about fearing the plan, it's about controlling the night actions. Shos is attacking mollie's plan by appealing to fear ("It's just random luck, do you really want to hinge a town win on that?") and offering an alternative that is distinctly more advantageous for scum. Why are you reading that as town motivated?

Bolded.

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I referenced what you bolded. Scum who wouldn't try to offer an alternative to what has proven to be a winning formula are scum who aren't playing to their wincon. Do you think all scum are meek?

[bazinga]

I DON'T KNOW I CAN'T THINK

best quote ever

jacob is town

rat thing seems like he has been claiming nurse all game. we don't know what to do with him.

[Desperado]

It's the pointy finger guy and arcanagel for suuuuuuuure

It's the pointy finger guy and arcanagel for suuuuuuuure

reasons?

They are coasting and just pausing as if to think 'who can I vote that will be least angry with me for doing so' rather than scumhunting.

I saw these two posts as a moment of town clarity. Kinda like pulling over the veil and peering behind the trolling.

Shos completely ignoring the accusation in favor of OMGUS + calling troll supports this.

[Squirrel Girl]

I referenced what you bolded. Scum who wouldn't try to offer an alternative to what has proven to be a winning formula are scum who aren't playing to their wincon. Do you think all scum are meek?

Where do you think the second scum is? Clearly at least one of them is meek even if Shos is scum. At that point it seems reasonable to argue that the scum wouldn't leap into that fray right away. I guess I'd choose to call it cautious, but yes, I think players tend to be more cautious when scum then when they are town.

[Desperado]

I already called him out in the post that started this conversation. I think it's Shos and TSO right now.

[shos]

lol des, you're not making any sense.
the 'plan' worked twice? no. thw town won twice. in both games, there was not a slight relation between the win and the plan. in one game, town *lynched* scum D1; and then the 'plan' managed to kill all townies to get town to 3p lylo, in which they made the right decision to lynch, and that decision was not based on night actions at all.

the other game was once again - luck. 1 scum was vigged - 7/16 chance that happening - and the other just claimed scum ingame. the 'plan' has nothing to do with the win. random lynching would be just as good, you know.

Des and bazinga are insistent on letting RM slide and I don't understand why. I also don't understand what makes Des think I am scum, which kinda makes me omgus him.

[Squirrel Girl]

I already called him out in the post that started this conversation. I think it's Shos and TSO right now.

I might agree on TOS, but I don't like the Shos push. I also think Rational has done just as much bad as TOS and has the addition of helping me with the Bazinga push if I'm right.

[Desperado]

???

What?

You agree with both of Bazinga's scum reads but also think they could still be scum? And why would Rat help you push Bazinga when he thinks its shos and Arc?

[Squirrel Girl]

Now you're confusing me.

I could argue that Bazinga agrees with two of my scum reads - but I have the advantage of actually trying to get them lynched while she votes me until i call her out on it and then unvotes and does nothing. I also think I've noted that the push on TSO over Rational from Bazinga reads fake to me, so I don't think it's odd that I can hold that belief regardless of who you think is copying whose reads. Finally, by Rational helping me push Bazinga I mean I think they are a scum pair, and that a Rational scum flip will rationally make a Bazinga push easier for me.

Does that make sense now?

[Desperado]

No you couldn't.

yeah I totally didn't get that post and would not cry to see him go. is he really saying he is not sure if the plan will work when we have evidence itt that it does? other doctor on him? wat?

mebbe its rat thing and tso

Mollie said this before you ever voted Rat.

So you think scum-mollie saw me and penguin pushing her scumbuddy right out of RVS and decided to help us pressure him? And then not give up the scumread when everyone else is trying to label him a troll?

No, it makes 0 sense.

[Squirrel Girl]

I think she actually started the troll conversation.

2. I am entertaining the idea that the rat thing is trolling for reactions. if he is scum it will be hard to keep up after the delivery of night actions. also, see point number 1.

Which, if I'm reading the time/date stamps correctly means she pushed on it as a non-troll situation for the amazingly brutal time of about 4 hours.

[RationalMadman]

It's still shos and angel hahahahaha

[Squirrel Girl]

Though, actually, maybe he's just really sloppy scum and didn't read the game thread only his role PM?
I guess I could buy that.

Okay, I still think I support no lynch, but if someone can explain how a lynch is better we can lynch the DC guy.

Also, I did call him out first.
Yay me, I remain not crazy...well, other than the obvious.

[Squirrel Girl]

I was even the first one to put into words the case Mollie is even using. You presented suspicion first, and I described the case Mollie has on him, and then she pushed it for four hours, sorta, and then brought the troll defense up...and, maybe I'm crazy, but I do believe she was the first to do that.

I feel like I'm talking a lot of sense over here, back me up Despy, that shmexy Antonio avatar will only carry you so far on its lonesome!

[Desperado]

Unvote
Vote: RationalMadman

[Desperado]

^L-1

If he flips scum, we go your way.
If he flips town, we go my way.

Deal?

[Squirrel Girl]

[bazinga]

lol des, you're not making any sense.
the 'plan' worked twice? no. thw town won twice. in both games, there was not a slight relation between the win and the plan. in one game, town *lynched* scum D1; and then the 'plan' managed to kill all townies to get town to 3p lylo, in which they made the right decision to lynch, and that decision was not based on night actions at all.

the other game was once again - luck. 1 scum was vigged - 7/16 chance that happening - and the other just claimed scum ingame. the 'plan' has nothing to do with the win. random lynching would be just as good, you know.

Des and bazinga are insistent on letting RM slide and I don't understand why. I also don't understand what makes Des think I am scum, which kinda makes me omgus him.

I have no freaking idea how you can say that etl's game was not won by poe due to every1 being accountable to who they targeted and eliminating wifom as to who did what.

like it fucking boggles the mind.

you are seriously working to try to discredit a viable strategy cos of reaching reasons.

you put rat thing to L-1 while mewling about how we need to agree on a plan for night actions. I have been trying to give you space but you are making it really really hard. we are targeting the person above us. it seems like you do not want us to set up town for a protown endgame scenario.

goddammit penny get your ass in here asap plz

[penguin_alien]

You called?

shos, the problem with dividing things up 3/3/2 is that it makes it even harder to figure out what roles had what consequences.

RationalMadman still looks like scum who didn't familiarize himself with the game set-up, screwed up early, and is trying to convince us otherwise. TSO would be my other choice to lynch, but RM trying to out the nurse is just lousy.

One clarification on your plan, bazinga: I assume that in the event we mislynch and hit a non-Naive Doctor, the nurse is free to target at his own discretion?

[shos]

At des 317: deal.
At pa: thats debateable but i sorta think 4-4 is better too so im good with that. Which two? Id say bazinga and tso.

At bazynga319: get oit of the tunnel, will ya?
If you can link me to a post that shows they knew who was which doc and poed, ill look into it. I searched, coupdnt find one. Did the legwork already.

Im not reaching at all in discreditting it. You just credit it too much without reason.
And i havent pur RM at l-1 at all, lol, i was the firstvote there and l-1 was reached just a sec ago. Any hammer before night work is decided is a scumclaim, so theres no problem.

[shos]

Oh i didnt think about the nurse becoming doc after a mislynch at all. Hmm.

Id say she should sticj with the plan.flips dont tell you what flipped, only scum/tpwn.

[bazinga]

At bazynga319: get oit of the tunnel, will ya?
If you can link me to a post that shows they knew who was which doc and poed, ill look into it. I searched, coupdnt find one. Did the legwork already.

why would I link you to a post in a game that you have clearly have not read but claim to have done so?

on d2 we had the doc/vig narrowed down and the nurse outed and we even had what kind of doc the nurse took over. in lylo all roles were established (we were the doc/vig) and we won.

but yeah, carry on with your bs and say it didn't work and that it was by chance.

VOTE: shos

you claim to have read a game when you clearly haven't.

[bazinga]

You called?

shos, the problem with dividing things up 3/3/2 is that it makes it even harder to figure out what roles had what consequences.

RationalMadman still looks like scum who didn't familiarize himself with the game set-up, screwed up early, and is trying to convince us otherwise. TSO would be my other choice to lynch, but RM trying to out the nurse is just lousy.

One clarification on your plan, bazinga: I assume that in the event we mislynch and hit a non-Naive Doctor, the nurse is free to target at his own discretion?

we stuck with the strat til the end and it worked for us. it really depends on how firm of a grasp the person who gets the role has on the game.