A uPick of Ice & Fire - Day 12 - #REKT?

[Messiah Complex]

#1 issue with Kanye case is: why did Kanye stay away from Spyrex D1 and then bus Quadz at a point in time where he had a lot of other options available to him?

- Des

[Garruk Relentless]

#1 issue with Kanye case is: why did Kanye stay away from Spyrex D1 and then bus Quadz at a point in time where he had a lot of other options available to him?

- Des

I mentioned before that I don't think kanye went into d4 expecting quadz to be the primary lynch target--that's, at least, what his behavior around the SafetyDance wagon suggested to me. After talking with SSK last night, our current working theory is that, once it was clear quadz was going south, the scum team is pushing forward kanye as something of a champion and planning on him going into the long game since it's kinda becoming clear that they're not going to win earlier.

Regarding SpyreX, I think of all the things, he was telling the truth about his role in some amount. He likely had some objectives to fulfill. Who knows how many exactly he had fulfilled at that point--that's my first thought at least. My second thought is that SpyreX had the pedigree of being hyped up both as a player and on an individual level in this game. SpyreX likely would have been a very successful member of the scumteam had he got through another night phase to get his head fully in the game, so to speak. Perhaps it also has a little to do with personalities as well--I'm unsure, but kanye definitely suggested a positive history with SpyreX, so he's less likely to want to bus him.

[AGar]

why are people unironically rolling dice to decide a vote on D5 of a large theme

?!?!

- Des

Why aren't you voting Titus?

[Messiah Complex]

#1 issue with Kanye case is: why did Kanye stay away from Spyrex D1 and then bus Quadz at a point in time where he had a lot of other options available to him?

- Des

I mentioned before that I don't think kanye went into d4 expecting quadz to be the primary lynch target--that's, at least, what his behavior around the SafetyDance wagon suggested to me.

After talking with SSK last night, our current working theory is that, once it was clear quadz was going south, the scum team is pushing forward kanye as something of a champion and planning on him going into the long game since it's kinda becoming clear that they're not going to win earlier.

Regarding SpyreX, I think of all the things, he was telling the truth about his role in some amount. He likely had some objectives to fulfill. Who knows how many exactly he had fulfilled at that point--that's my first thought at least. My second thought is that SpyreX had the pedigree of being hyped up both as a player and on an individual level in this game. SpyreX likely would have been a very successful member of the scumteam had he got through another night phase to get his head fully in the game, so to speak. Perhaps it also has a little to do with personalities as well--I'm unsure, but kanye definitely suggested a positive history with SpyreX, so he's less likely to want to bus him.

@ bold: OK, but what you haven't addressed is why Kanye did it given the context. There were three days to the deadline. The Quadz/SD 1v1 had dispersed. Kanyescum could have gone another way and bussed him later. What did he have to gain from bussing? You suggest that his team expected him to live to endgame, so why go for cheap town cred?

You said earlier that you hate that Kanye is making sense today. Who is scum if Kanye is town?

@ AGar: Why does it look like I'm not?

- Des

[Garruk Relentless]

My enumerated scumreads are elle/PnJ/Alchemist+1, if kanye is town. I think Titus is just complete derptown this game and I'm kinda confused about what the case for Agar-town is, but I'm willing to suspend my suspicions at the moment(& Syr's done shit since his claim again). I have secret possible scumread, but I'm not ready to jump that bridge yet(mostly because it involves both me fullclaiming).

I have a sort of working theory on the game design, though, and it -strongly- suggests Titus-scum and elle-town to a lesser degree, though. I need more info before I present it though.

What did he have to gain from bussing? You suggest that his team expected him to live to endgame, so why go for cheap town cred?

Nacho's pretty much undisputed trust is the main thing that comes to mind.

[elleheathen]

I have a sort of working theory on the game design, though, and it -strongly- suggests Titus-scum and elle-town to a lesser degree, though. I need more info before I present it though.

Info onnnn?

[Garruk Relentless]

How many abilities do you have total?

[Titus]

Hi Tierce! You're talking to the other guy right now.

So, one of bigger playstyle differences between SSK and I is that he likes to vote fast and early day one. I, as I'm sure you're aware, like to sit on my vote until as late as possible.

As a hydra is an aggregate of two people, we're compromising by mostly using our vote as a sort of threat right now.

Keeping this in mind, we are in agreeance on Kanye right now. If you remember from PxP, kanye and I had a little shit-fit. Kanye has this tendency to push stupid wagons for no apparent reason and I don't like it. That being said, we are completely willing to vote either way if someone could give us a compelling case why I should follow kanye from literally page one. In regards to Chesskid/AD, SSK & I have been reading them as town throughout these pages, which makes the wagon dumber in my eyes at least.

I agree with you that it is early, though, and the RVS thing was a misnomer.

The bolded suggests all your votes should be threats. Your vote pattern is not matching thus fueling my scumread on your slot.

[elleheathen]

How many abilities do you have total?

3

[Garruk Relentless]

Now Titus answer the question.

[Titus]

Which question?

[Titus]

Post 4132 is the answer.

[Garuda]

Ok, I get why people are voting me. That is a mistake but no one should have died.

I think the guy who died deliberately triggered his own death somehow. After all, who leaves a last wilk on MS unless it is role determinative.

Nautiulus, you should reconsider your vote. You know my ability worked. You know my play had 0 utility for either alignment if it was beatable. You should know everything I have said is verifable. Yet you vote me.

I will scan my whole notes tonight. If someone could link me a pdf sharing site, I would appreciate it as I would like to share my notes.

I am mid reanalyzing. Also, the question was how many abilities do you have.

[Nautilius]

Ok, I get why people are voting me. That is a mistake but no one should have died.

I think the guy who died deliberately triggered his own death somehow. After all, who leaves a last wilk on MS unless it is role determinative.

Nautiulus, you should reconsider your vote. You know my ability worked. You know my play had 0 utility for either alignment if it was beatable. You should know everything I have said is verifable. Yet you vote me.

I will scan my whole notes tonight. If someone could link me a pdf sharing site, I would appreciate it as I would like to share my notes.

I am mid reanalyzing. Also, the question was how many abilities do you have.

Fuck you iPad.

[Nautilius]

Vote: Prideandjoy

[Garruk Relentless]

Hey nacho are you purposely ignoring my kanye ramblings or no?

[Nautilius]

I'm not ignoring them. Don't agree with them, though.

[Titus]

Ok, I get why people are voting me. That is a mistake but no one should have died.

I think the guy who died deliberately triggered his own death somehow. After all, who leaves a last wilk on MS unless it is role determinative.

Nautiulus, you should reconsider your vote. You know my ability worked. You know my play had 0 utility for either alignment if it was beatable. You should know everything I have said is verifable. Yet you vote me.

I will scan my whole notes tonight. If someone could link me a pdf sharing site, I would appreciate it as I would like to share my notes.

I am mid reanalyzing. Also, the question was how many abilities do you have.

I have full claimed and used my only ability. I figured that was for someone else.

[Garruk Relentless]

K I wanna test my theory then.

VOTE: Titus

[Titus]

What is your theory? I could just straight up answer it by looking at my rolecard. Of course, you're pushing through my mislynch and avoiding 4132 like a champ. So yeah.

[Garruk Relentless]

I don't even know where to go with 4132. Like, what?

But my theory is that all the town players or all players have 3 abilities. All the full claims so far have fit this mold. The fact you claim to only have one ability is suspicious.

[Titus]

Theory = stupid. What mod makes a game that can be totally broken by massclaiming?

Also, wouldn't that make elle my auto scumbuddy? Same with Tierce? They both only said one ability I believe.

[Tierce]

That's a silly theory, Garruk.

[Garruk Relentless]

Is it broken by massclaim? I would not think so.

Elle claimed 3 abilities and Tierce hasn't fullclaimed and she claimed 2 already.

[Garruk Relentless]

Why's it silly Tierce.