Mini 1515: Touhou Imperishable Night (Game Over)

[morph the cat]

@morph:

do you think TNE might have been trying to bus BRO?

Not necessarily. They are independent reads.

Do you think TNE's tunnel suggests BRO is town?

[BROseidon]

Narrative manipulation is a classic scum tactic, ftr.

[waynegg]

Too l8

[BROseidon]

[waynegg]

BRO, how the hell are any of (Ghostly Penguin, Mac, BROseidon, pieguyn) confirmed anything? Last I checked there's no announced IC and none of the players listed have flipped.

Do you think scum would have an executioner in a 13p game?

please shut the fuck up about this stuff btw i'm not interested in hearing about how bad a player AA9 is.

read the game already and stop posting useless shit

Why would scum do that instead of lazily pushing my mislynch through?

What do you think of the fact that you asked me a question that I'd answered clearly several times prior to you asking it?

Narrative manipulation is a classic scum tactic, ftr.

[BROseidon]

You didn't answer my question.

[Psychlone]

Spoiler: Nacho

I'm concerned with how you're handling your interactions with me so far today; in Walking Dead and Chain of Command, you ended up interacting with me more than you usually do to the point where it was excessive. Here, you're pretty much ignoring me and putting me in the "not worried about me yet pile" (perfectly okay), but you're clearly suspicious of us to some extent and not trying to push it at all.

I haven't been pushing you

because you haven't been around for me to push!

I've been referencing you often, I've been mentioning you, I've been doing some minor pushing of you, including referencing how you're not around (itself a push), yet that last part is important; you not being around means that I can't push you. I can't get anything effective out of suddenly voting your slot, now, can I? Which is, again, precisely one of the reasons I'm so concerned, in that you haven't been around for me TO push. I can't get a good read on you one way or the other if you're not around to interact with me. Hell, the only reason you're not scum is because I recognize that you're bogged down in life (thus, it's PROBABLY alignment-null), and that I'm getting similar vibes to Xenogears, in that my suspicion on you and your handling of it looks identical. (BUT IT IS STILL SUSPICION ALL THE SAME!)

I expect you to seek some sort of reassurance in the early game if you're paranoia or at least get thoughts down on the table about things that I'm doing in case you die early.

Well, I was going to, but basically, assuming two mislynches, I've got a free ride to mylo, maybe even lylo. The scum aren't going to nightkill me with so many power role claims floating around. If they DID, it'd tell you that I was more of a threat to them than the power roles themselves, which is reasoning enough to iso me.

But I felt like most of his early game play was too focused on image maintenance as opposed to him scumhunting and looking town as a result of it; him going "whoops, I'm obvtown already" in his #14 felt good at first because it was very confident and a hard thing to sell as scum that early in the game with a straight face. His analysis at that point was seriously lacking, though, and I don't see what sort of things mastin did at that point to make him call himself obvtown; hence niggles. Him correcting me on his scum meta? Good at first because it's a ballsy thing to do, right? But why would he do it as town? If he's scumreading me for finding an excuse to townread him, I'd expect him to pursue that line/bring it up although I can see why he would focus on semantics.

My play was focused on me because that's the only thing I could really think of to do. I was having trouble getting into the game. Hell, I still am, despite being so close to deadline. I've been doing as much analysis as I can cram in, but often-times, it's lacking that final push, that strength, that I really need. Also, shame on you. I was obvtown even back then, and the obvtowniness has only gotten stronger. I corrected you on my scum meta because I felt like it.

This is a nice protown quote and all, but he doesn't actually end up exploring any of them for a very, very long time and soon loses pretty much all of his steam on the BROlynch he was so excited about earlier but doesn't explain why.

Because it's fairly self-evident that my reads have been so much in-flux over the course of the day as to be a complete and total, utter, entire mess?

I will give credit where credit is due. BRO's right, Nacho. I don't like your trajectory on me. At all. That said, I'm not suddenly buddy-buddy with BRO. Quite the opposite, in fact.

I don't need to be active in order for people to push against me. The largest thrust of the push against me in Xenogears was the fact that I wasn't active, but that didn't prevent me fom drawing a good portion of heat for a very, very long time. You referenced me not being around a couple of times and maybe how you weren't that comfortable with me, but you never dug your heels in and went "Nacho is not around because he's scum" or "hey, Nacho, what are your thoughts on me?". For the majority of the game until your response to my vote, all mentions of me were small and dismissive in a way that didn't at all seem like mastin getting worried about Nacho.

That makes sense.

I agree that you have gotten more obvtown lately, but that has been more of a result of you doing some things lately that are closer to the unfakeable realm as opposed to odd behavior because double power roles outed and not being sure of things and you playing strangely around my play this game.

What is wrong with my trajectory? I made an early push on you because I didn't like your interactions with me and I figured taking care of sorting you now was better than the usual formula of paranoia and erase it on my own since tha has failed me twice now, but your response to my suspicion was very town, and so I backed off.

[Psychlone]

That's enough for you to townread them?

Other than Ghost, there's no player I feel confident enough reading to go from unsure to town in that duration of posts, given the overall length of this game.

Don't you and Ghost play together offsite?

[waynegg]

What do you think of the fact that you asked me a question that I'd answered clearly several times prior to you asking it?

I think it's a good question. There's no reason to give anyone conf status. The only thing confirmed there is Pie killed someone.

[BROseidon]

That's enough for you to townread them?

Other than Ghost, there's no player I feel confident enough reading to go from unsure to town in that duration of posts, given the overall length of this game.

Don't you and Ghost play together offsite?

That's me and penguin.

I'm better at reading Ghost.

[BROseidon]

What do you think of the fact that you asked me a question that I'd answered clearly several times prior to you asking it?

I think it's a good question. There's no reason to give anyone conf status. The only thing confirmed there is Pie killed someone.

So we disagree on a point, and us stating our position back and forth at each other is going to do nothing to change it.

[Psychlone]

Aside from their softclaim and how they've been handling it, the overall vibe from their posting is definitely the town-them I'm used to seeing

what's the difference between town-them and scum-them?

because morph this game has felt off to me and i'm not really sure why so many people are town-reading them when nothing about their play has struck me as particularly town. they've been all over the place and kind of a mess, and i'm not seeing the sort of confident stances i'm used to seeing from the ffery head. it really feels like they've just been going with the flow of things for most of the game and trying not to draw much attention to themselves.

Plus, they've invoked a holy-Mastin tell of "I'm not used to you not townreading me" similar to you in Xenogears

if that's a holy tell for you, why was i never anywhere near your tier-1 town reads in xenogears?

he has nothing else to say besides a fake fakehammer, which doesn't even do anything?

is there something in particular you wanted me to comment on? i was fine with BRO being at L-1 and not much had happened that i felt was worth mentioning.

hang on children...i didn't had a chance to catch up...
but i will contribute something in few hours....

Mastin, i am not scum. now stop pushing for my lynch

Morph the cat - which heads involved here???

Bro - I am town. there is no need to push for my lynch today. I am looking at the wagons right now. I ll make my decision soon.

I don't need you to catch up in order to play. Just start posting.

[waynegg]

That's enough for you to townread them?

Other than Ghost, there's no player I feel confident enough reading to go from unsure to town in that duration of posts, given the overall length of this game.

Don't you and Ghost play together offsite?

That's me and penguin.

I'm better at reading Ghost.

You didn't answer my question.

What do you think of the fact that you asked me a question that I'd answered clearly several times prior to you asking it?

I think it's a good question. There's no reason to give anyone conf status. The only thing confirmed there is Pie killed someone.

So we disagree on a point, and us stating our position back and forth at each other is going to do nothing to change it.

Glossing right over that, huh?

[Psychlone]

Two things....

I can't explain Thez's play.. To be honest.. He reads as scum every game he plays.. its just his reputation. Trust me on this!!!
Why should you believe me? - You will becuz i am town and when i am town.. i will sort things out.. that's how i am.

back to the discussion..

the deadline is near.. I know i have to make a decision today but i want to interact bit more with BRO, his push on me is little odd but i can do a quick ISO and make a decision about him

And about TNE, I am clueless... so i will have to see what's his deal. TNE derps a bit so i am not surprised about his wagon.

This is a good start, though.

[waynegg]

Try that again...

You didn't answer my question.

What do you think of the fact that you asked me a question that I'd answered clearly several times prior to you asking it?

I think it's a good question. There's no reason to give anyone conf status. The only thing confirmed there is Pie killed someone.

What do you think of the fact that you asked me a question that I'd answered clearly several times prior to you asking it?

I think it's a good question. There's no reason to give anyone conf status. The only thing confirmed there is Pie killed someone.

So we disagree on a point, and us stating our position back and forth at each other is going to do nothing to change it.

Glossing right over that...

[Psychlone]

If you're going to replace into a 60-page game, you should have the ability to catch up enough within the first deadline to make an informed decision, instead of posting no content and being all, "OH EM GEE, I HAVEN'T HAD ENOUGH TIME TO CATCH UP"

lol, I just expected that you might pull this topic..and here you're...

So it was a policy lynch becuz i am bad player...
And i am bad player becuz i played bad in couple of games
again, you read thez slot as scum and that made me scum..

^ the above didn't work.. now blaming me about my ability to catch up?
Are you challenging me BRO?

And this is a good follow up.

[Psychlone]

BRO, what is your read of Ghost?

[BROseidon]

Town.

[BROseidon]

Glossing right over that...

We have a confirmed daykill. That's not going to come from scum in a 13p setup because mod-meta.

You're going to say, "BUT OTHER HYPOTHETICALS WHERE SCUM COULD HAVE A DAYKILL."

And we can either go back and forth for 20 minutes on this, or you can realize that I'm not going to change my opinion on this and back off.

[BROseidon]

It's also very not going to come from scum when town have a negative-utility PR.

[waynegg]

We'll have to agree to disagree there...

VOTE: BRO

[zMuffinMan]

You are aware of at least a couple of the games that took some of the starch out of my confidence recently

if you're talking about your read on me here, then OK, fine. i don't particularly mind that you have trouble reading me, but i do think it's strange that you've been almost bipolar on your read on me this game and it seems to change from one post to the next.

but what recent games caused a confidence hit in, say, your ability to read mastin or mac or ghostlin or anyone that isn't me, really? because i don't really care how confident you are in your ability to read me, but you've apparently had issues with getting any strong reads for most of the game. and most of the time when you do give reads, it looks more like you're going with the general consensus than trying to form your own opinions.

[waynegg]

And it also has little to do with your alignment. Know something else you do as town you haven't done? Directed the conversation off a side point that's irrelevant to the discussion of whether you're scum or not...

[borkjerfkin]

well won't this be some shit

[borkjerfkin]

h