NY 167: COMPLETELY NORMAL Mafia (GAME OVER)

[RadiantCowbells]

*grazes grass contentedly*

Baaaaaah.

[yessiree]

there are only 3 days left to deadline, yet the majority of us have not agreed on a lynch

with the activity levels this low, it's time to compromise

stating who you think is the best lynch today, and the lynch you are ok with, would be great

{orc, JS, caled}

[RadiantCowbells]

AFB is the best lynch, Orcinus I am okay with, Caled is not happening, JS is null to me.

[JacobSavage]

Buss

Orc I will never support

[goodmorning]

contact sports

Votecount 1.54

caledfwitch [L-4] - MC Maraca, Sakura Hana, yessiree, Guyett, Cephrir

orcinus_theoriginal [L-6] - PeregrineV, likeabauss, Hermy

likeabauss [L-7] - Angry Frat BROs, JacobSavage

RadiantCowbells [L-8] - orcinus_theoriginal

Guyett [L-8] - caledfwitch

Angry Frat BROs [L-8] - RadiantCowbells

Not Voting [4] - MVP, TheIrishPope, Toomai, sangres

With 17 alive, it takes

9

to lynch. The day will end in (expired on 2013-11-20 09:39:00)

[likeabauss]

Orcinus or FratBros for today in my book. I also won't support any lynch that either or both of them support (because, scum.) Between the two of them, they've been on RC, Guyett, Sakura (all town reads of mine.)

Letting Orcinus live today is only rewarding him for crappy play and a fake claim, and gimping the town by the WIFOM a fake claimed cop will create.

Rank wouldn't have quit as town cop. Period. This is an easy breezy D1 scum lynch if you just trust that I know Rank. Take it one step further and look at Orcinus's scummy play as highlighted by other players that know him.

Lastly, if we as a board simply give a pass when somebody fakeclaims a PR to avoid lynch, we are in effect gimping town PRs on a macro level. They have to expose themselves to CC, conceal their contempt for the fakeclaimer if they decide to not CC (lest they be identified by the scum team), or risk outting themselves and being hung anyways. The risks of a scum fake claim, in this given situation, are far less. Orcinus was about to be hung anyways so the fake claim gained him an opportunity to draw out a real cop, the potential to completely avoid an otherwise straightforward lynch, or the worst case scenario... draw out the real cop and lynch him/her anyways. The risks are all inherently on the town side, with nothing but advantages for the scum side, given this sweeping avoidance of lynching an un-CC'd PR and this scenario. This policy or board play is a power shift to the scum team, if we allow it to be the policy.

And even if I didn't think Orcinus was scum, I'd still think it highly suspicious that on D1 he claimed cop after his previous play for the dayphase. I don't think it jives at all. If he was actually town, why not lie and claim vanilla? Or BP? Breadcrumb and try to get some investigates off? An outted cop on D1 is getting RB'd or dead... and fast.

[Angry Frat BROs]

Lastly, if we as a board simply give a pass when somebody fakeclaims a PR to avoid lynch, we are in effect gimping town PRs on a macro level. They have to expose themselves to CC, conceal their contempt for the fakeclaimer if they decide to not CC (lest they be identified by the scum team), or risk outting themselves and being hung anyways. The risks of a scum fake claim, in this given situation, are far less. Orcinus was about to be hung anyways so the fake claim gained him an opportunity to draw out a real cop, the potential to completely avoid an otherwise straightforward lynch, or the worst case scenario... draw out the real cop and lynch him/her anyways. The risks are all inherently on the town side, with nothing but advantages for the scum side, given this sweeping avoidance of lynching an un-CC'd PR and this scenario. This policy or board play is a power shift to the scum team, if we allow it to be the policy.

...you realize that the game is balanced with the assumption that a scum fakeclaim will get cc'd, right?

And even if I didn't think Orcinus was scum, I'd still think it highly suspicious that on D1 he claimed cop after his previous play for the dayphase. I don't think it jives at all. If he was actually town, why not lie and claim vanilla? Or BP? Breadcrumb and try to get some investigates off? An outted cop on D1 is getting RB'd or dead... and fast.

1) I think Orc's play as a cop jives fine, and YET AGAIN YOU'VE MADE IT IMPOSSIBLE TO ARGUE WITH YOU BY SAYING HIGH-LEVEL BULLSHIT AND NOT BACKING IT WITH ANYTHING. His play jives fine because he's one of the highest profile players in the game, and a likely target to get NK'd early. Trying to stand out less than he normally does could have potentially saved him a few days of not getting shot.

2) If you're a town cop at L-1 and you claim VT or BP, you get lynched (VT gets lynched because lol VT, BP is a scumclaim). You're right on the last part; see point 1.

[Angry Frat BROs]

Or BP?

Let's go over this again.

YOU LITERALLY JUST TOLD PEOPLE TO CLAIM A SCUMCLAIM AS TOWN COP.

HOLY SHIT.

CAN WE LYNCH THIS ALREADY.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

And even if I didn't think Orcinus was scum, I'd still think it highly suspicious that on D1 he claimed cop after his previous play for the dayphase. I don't think it jives at all. If he was actually town, why not lie and claim vanilla? Or BP? Breadcrumb and try to get some investigates off? An outted cop on D1 is getting RB'd or dead... and fast.

and why was i outted, bauss

because you drove a shitty content-less wagon on the cop

so i couldn't fakeclaim becuase i needed the wagon to leave

this is a new level of bad

[MC Maraca]

I'm done with this game.

someone call me when town is ready to start working together, because it obviously isn't going to happen today no matter how hard I try and make that happen

[MC Maraca]

I would support Jacob, he is still fairly strong though, Caled is just policy at this point

[MC Maraca]

and Jacob doesn't even have a wagon anymore :/

will not support Bauss, and not going to support Orci

[yessiree]

I'm done with this game.

someone call me when town is ready to start working together, because it obviously isn't going to happen today no matter how hard I try and make that happen

try harder

also, why are you passing off the possibility that scums are muddying the waters, but going straight to pure internal conflicts

[yessiree]

Or BP?

Let's go over this again.

YOU LITERALLY JUST TOLD PEOPLE TO CLAIM A SCUMCLAIM AS TOWN COP.

HOLY SHIT.

CAN WE LYNCH THIS ALREADY.

you got any other scumreads besides bauss and me?

[yessiree]

And even if I didn't think Orcinus was scum, I'd still think it highly suspicious that on D1 he claimed cop after his previous play for the dayphase. I don't think it jives at all. If he was actually town, why not lie and claim vanilla? Or BP? Breadcrumb and try to get some investigates off? An outted cop on D1 is getting RB'd or dead... and fast.

and why was i outted, bauss

because you drove a shitty content-less wagon on the cop

so i couldn't fakeclaim becuase i needed the wagon to leave

this is a new level of bad

and you too

maybe realize neither bauss nor sak are getting lynched today, stop leeching off the rank read, and we can work out something

[orcinus_theoriginal]

JS, caled, RC.

[Cephrir]

If he was actually town, why not lie and claim vanilla?

You have got to be absolutely fucking kidding me

[Angry Frat BROs]

you got any other scumreads besides bauss and me?

RC, caled, lesser degree JS.

[Cephrir]

JS, caled, RC.

you got any other scumreads besides bauss and me?

RC, caled, lesser degree JS.

Sorrys bauss but there is no possible way these are scumbuddies! I mean I already knew that, but, yes.

[Sakura Hana]

JS, caled, RC.

Then how about we lynch caled today

[sangres]

I would support Jacob, he is still fairly strong though, Caled is just policy at this point

Mara?

ffery here. By "Jacob" do you mean JS or TiP?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

JS, caled, RC.

Then how about we lynch caled today

So we are not lynching caled today

JS or RC it is

[yessiree]

goddammit Sakura Hana

[Hermy]

I refuse to change my vote.
(Unless there is a miracle and an AFB wagon forms; then I'll join if it means he'll get lynched)

Want lynched: Orc or AFB
Okay with: Guyett

The real cop is being wise with not claiming. Orc failed at getting a PR to claim.

[likeabauss]

BP = bulletproof? Did I use an incorrect acronym? 1shot BP is a town role?

Both FratBros and Orcinus have the exact same lynch list. No way they'd have the same targets? Too obvious to be scumbuddies, right? Hi5 on that brilliant line of thinking (fail.) How naive/scummy can you be? Have you played mafia before? I mean wtf with this.

Based on my reads, I've got a short list of people (about 4) that could be the real cop. I'm guessing the mafia will be able to generate the same or a smaller list. So copper, you might only get 1-2 investigates and you should take that into consideration as you go forward. You can confirm Orcinus scum with your CC and hopefully clear/guilty somebody tonight. But going too far beyond that, your chances of surviving long enough to reveal will dwindle.