A uPick of Ice & Fire - Day 12 - #REKT?

[Garruk Relentless]

Thanks for the defense, Tierce. We're fullclaiming though, because, well, it's about time.

We're a 2-shot motivator/fruit vendor. The first shot was used on Tierce night one. It was a...leap of faith, if you will. We wanted to use it early because we were almost quickwagoned day one and wanted to get some use out of our role if we were gonna be lynched day two. We didn't like SafetyDance even after the claim, which is why we didn't motivate him(he was the only claim at the time). As of the current time, the second shot is still in our possession. We think it is a good time to use it. I have a few good ideas on where to go with it, but if anyone thinks they can use a second shot well, I'm all ears.

[Tierce]

Quick question that has been lingering: why did you defend me from Tammy?

Also, obvious fact: scum don't attempt to kill and Motivate Town for Towncred on the same Night.

[Garruk Relentless]

Quick question that has been lingering: why did you defend me from Tammy?

Also, obvious fact: scum don't attempt to kill and Motivate Town for Towncred on the same Night.

That was a mistake. We misread our role PM and thought that our motivate also motivated the mafia nightkill, but on second glance I realized that I have severe reading comprehension problems(ie it doesn't). I didn't come forward to clarify things afterwards because we were still convinced you were town, so it changed into a mini-gambit of sorts.

tl;dr: I'm a complete dolt.

[Tierce]

Well, considering that D2 I thought you were the vanillizer, we can be dolts together!

[Benmage]

@Mage:
At the start of D5, I would have been all over PnJ - but just don't feel it now

Tell me why you think Alchemist is now scum?

[Titus]

GR, I am going to give you a clean slate for now. A hated fruit vendor etc. The role makes sense. I cannot see Tierce sticking her neck out this far for a scumbuddy. Plus I cannot imagine an NK day 1. The setup screams that you are town. Your actions scream scum.

Tierce, the one way I could see the scums "shooting" you on night 1 and motivating you is if they have a day rolecop. That's unlikely but possible. I don't see myself voting GR anytime soon. I just cannot move him to the town pile yet. That would require my reads being totally off or Garruk knowing he can be confirmed, which screams scum play. If the scums shoot you on n1 and motivate you, then they can ride GR as conftown until the end. It's unlikely but I just cannot start from a position that everything was so off given how right I was on quadz in my notes.

[Benmage]

I'll give you this post: post 2221 ..But it was a response to you poorly wording your scumlist.

I'm not the only one to have found this a ludicrious statement of yours: post 2594 sooo cheah, that still rings true. You still find that statement of yours accurate? Both now and then?

What is your issue here:post 3121 .. You made a comment. I made an additional comment... Welcome to mafia?

Okay, whats wrong with either of these posts:post 3123 post 3130 ... I have issues with you stating inaccurate comments. I don't see the problem.

All three of these posts demonstrated your failure of a semantic debate:
post 3607
post 3610
post 3611

These I consider all examples of butting heads with me. None are particularly associated with finding alignment. As for my read on you, I was about to say scum, but looking over your iso I realize you are all over the place and I wonder if scum would have the energy and competence to keep so many disparate interests straight. So consider it less certain.

However now more than ever you should face increased scrutiny. And today you've been sitting back

I don't understand the final line. Are you saying I should be scrutinizing others... Or I should be scrutinized? It reads like the latter, but the 2nd sentence suggests the former.

I'm sorry if you consider me pointing out your flawed logical statements as butting heads... its me demonstrating your different mindset. Your scum mindset.

[Benmage]

I'm pretty sure Chess posted his own case for lynching him. Read those posts marked around 3000... his semantic arguments. Most of his commentary this game. Its just not coming from town.

[Benmage]

Dan if Benmage is sitting back, what's TA doing?

I've only been saying this for weeks now.... ZzzZzzzzzzz

[Eddard Stark]

Day 5, Vc 12

PrideandJoy (9) -

kanyeknowsbest, Tammy, Cephrir, Benmage, The Alchemist, elleheathen, AGar, Goat on a Raft, Titus

Titus (3) -

Goat on a Raft, Garuk Relentless, Nautilius

Cephrir (1) -

PrideandJoy

Goat on a Raft (1) -

Messiah Complex

The Alchemist (2) -

SafetyDance, ooba

Not voting (3) -

Alfred Borden, Shadoweh, Tierce

With 18 alive it takes 10 votes to lynch

• Deadline Date: 25th of Novemberat 10:00 EDT
  
• Deadline Countdown: (expired on 2013-11-25 10:00:00)
  

[ooba]

@Mage:
At the start of D5, I would have been all over PnJ - but just don't feel it now

Tell me why you think Alchemist is now scum?

I've always had some reservations with the Alchemist:
- SpyreX's scum read of him seemed off since Alchemist's play was neutral and hadn't been called out by anyone before that. I ask SpyreX about this.

- Before, the spyreX lynch, I point out SpyreX-elle-Quadz links and other possible partners
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... start=2800
Alchemist called that "moonlogic" - which is similar to SpyreX stressing my D2 "SpyreX-Messiah" case and then calling me a toolbox.

- Voting patterns - if there's just one multi scum team - most of the people he voted I have as town. The Quadz vote was neutral.

[AGar]

I've read too much Bill Simmons lately...

The Shakey's Pizza Watch for D5 ... Ooba's vacillating reads ... PnJ's seemingly erratic posting to me ... people who still believe Titus is town ... Nautilus ... Benmage's sudden effort ... The apparent growings of an Alchemist wagon (did I miss a memo? I thought the coin thing was a fair bit towards TownAlch) ... Titus's posting in general ... Titus ... Yeah that's all I've got.

[Cephrir]

If you ask me it is!

Yes, re-direct the town to Quadz when only Kanye was pushing it and there was a counter-wagon growing on TA?

You realize I was agreeing with you, right

I meant if someone other than AGar had a contradicting explanation... hence why I voted Titus...

But you never mentioned Agar or anyone else, you didn't say "if someone

else

really...." you made no mention, nothing in previous posts either. Why omit something so important like that?

Looking back I can see why you read it this way, but when paired with my vote on Titus and the fact that I'd already made reference to the RB several times (and so was clearly aware of it) the correct interpretation of my post is the only one left.

[Cephrir]

@Mage:
At the start of D5, I would have been all over PnJ - but just don't feel it now

Tell me why you think Alchemist is now scum?

What could possibly make anyone think he's not scum

I've read too much Bill Simmons lately...

The Shakey's Pizza Watch for D5 ... Ooba's vacillating reads ... PnJ's seemingly erratic posting to me ... people who still believe Titus is town ... Nautilus ... Benmage's sudden effort ... The apparent growings of an Alchemist wagon (did I miss a memo? I thought the coin thing was a fair bit towards TownAlch) ... Titus's posting in general ... Titus ... Yeah that's all I've got.

Stellar.

[The Alchemist]

Alchemist called that "moonlogic" - which is similar to SpyreX stressing my D2 "SpyreX-Messiah" case and then calling me a toolbox.

Moonlogic is a pretty tame term for it, considering my usual style and the fact you've been using associative tells (and I use the term very loosely) without flips.

[SafetyDance]

VOTE: PrideandJoy

I respond to more than what is said about me.

SD, you should be trying to figure out the game. Voting TA to avoid doing that is bad.

That should be L minus 1.

You may not have noticed whilst pretending to take notes but I've had a scum read on him for a while, keep up. If I had a vig shot I'd definitely flip a coin between you two.

@SD
Ah - but both coincidences I pointed out were role based actions that they claimed.
Shadoweh needing another person doesn't require any coincidence.

No, not what I was getting at. Read initial post again.

Dan if Benmage is sitting back, what's TA doing?

I've only been saying this for weeks now.... ZzzZzzzzzzz

So why should we keep ignoring him and letting him coast to D6?

Thanks for the defense, Tierce. We're fullclaiming though, because, well, it's about time.

We're a 2-shot motivator/fruit vendor. The first shot was used on Tierce night one. It was a...leap of faith, if you will. We wanted to use it early because we were almost quickwagoned day one and wanted to get some use out of our role if we were gonna be lynched day two. We didn't like SafetyDance even after the claim, which is why we didn't motivate him(he was the only claim at the time). As of the current time, the second shot is still in our possession. We think it is a good time to use it. I have a few good ideas on where to go with it, but if anyone thinks they can use a second shot well, I'm all ears.

What did Tierce receive?

[SafetyDance]

You realize I was agreeing with you, right

Looking back I can see why you read it this way, but when paired with my vote on Titus and the fact that I'd already made reference to the RB several times (and so was clearly aware of it) the correct interpretation of my post is the only one left.

Thought you were responding to the second sentence.

When paired with your vote, it looks out of place, which is why I mentioned it. Which posts of yours today before the one in question referenced agar's rb?

Alchemist called that "moonlogic" - which is similar to SpyreX stressing my D2 "SpyreX-Messiah" case and then calling me a toolbox.

Moonlogic is a pretty tame term for it, considering my usual style and the fact you've been using associative tells (and I use the term very loosely) without flips.

Yep, this post sure does scream town. Just like Agar's.

[Cephrir]

I hadn't mentioned it today. I was obviously cognizant of it yesterday though (before he actually claimed it).

If you want to suspect me for not including the word 'alternate', go ahead.

[Garruk Relentless]

The motivate is flavorized as giving somene gold.

[PrideandJoy]

The fact that anyone thinks anything posted after D2 was by chess shows that you are all complete lackwits.

We are Syrio, X-shot self-redirecter with a passive ability that will allow us to make a limited number of posts the day after we die.

[Titus]

Another Self Redirector, how about HELL NO!

[PrideandJoy]

no the other way around. Opposite to you

We redirect off of ourselves to another person.

[Titus]

Oh ok.

Without revealing if you have any shots left (as it is beneficial to wifom if you are town {which I doubt just running this through}), have you used any previously?

[ActionDan]

nope.

not even last night

[PrideandJoy]

nope.

not even last night