Mini 1516: Mafia in Space (Game Over)

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Herself,

Town Mason

, killed Night 1.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

It is now Day 2!

Day 2, Votecount 0

Not Voting [11]

- fferyllt, Kid A, TvK, My Milked Eek, LolWagons, Regfan, ICEninja, Garmr, Squirrel Girl, Wake88, havingfitz [/color]

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Deadline is on December 8th at 11:30 AM PST or in (expired on 2013-12-08 11:30:00)

[fferyllt]

Fitz?

[havingfitz]

Fitz?

Yes?

I shot Herself. I didn't get a chance to explicitly state that was a consideration before the day ended thanks to TSB's self vote (wtf??????) but I think it was pretty obvious Herself was going to be one of the targets I considered Not sure why they didn't mention the fact they were a mason or at least broach the subject of my target.

[Kid A]

fitz.

VOTE: havingfitz

[Kid A]

Fitz?

Yes?

I shot Herself. I didn't get a chance to explicitly state that was a consideration before the day ended thanks to TSB's self vote (wtf??????) but I think it was pretty obvious Herself was going to be one of the targets I considered Not sure why they didn't mention the fact they were a mason or at least broach the subject of my target.

wheres the mafia kill then lol

[havingfitz]

Why so jumpy Kid?

p.edit....I wouldn't know. Is this your first game on the site?

[Kid A]

Fitz?

Yes?

I shot Herself.

I didn't get a chance to explicitly state that was a consideration before the day ended thanks to TSB's self vote (wtf??????)

but I think it was pretty obvious Herself was going to be one of the targets I considered Not sure why they didn't mention the fact they were a mason or at least broach the subject of my target.

I was just asking Fitz if he would shoot Herself (his biggest scumread all game) if Garmr flips scum.

I

'd rather leave scum guessing. If I commit to killing a player...and I'm right...then I would expect to be the nk or possibly blocked.

If I narrow it down to 2 or 3 then who knows. I.e. I don't like giving absolutes with actions.

Based on my role I'm assuming there are town and scum PRs that have the potential to screw with night actions

dont tell lies fitzy

[havingfitz]

Where did I lie? Saying something is a possibility (ie consideration) isn't commiting to anything. If anyone thought my shot was going to be other than Herself or Garmr they weren't reading the game.

Who did you think I was going to target? Not who would you have targeted...but who do you think I would?

[Kid A]

why did you tell us you were going to announce your target but got cut off by the hammer when you said earlier you werent going to announce it so mafia couldnt deflect your kill

[havingfitz]

I said I wasn't going to explicitly state my target. Ex. I'm going to kill Herself.

What I was more than willing to do was narrow it down to two or three as possible targets. If there had been more time before the hammer and or with twilight I'd have expected there to be discussion wrt my target. But as I said...if Herself wasn't my obvious target you weren't paying attention...or you were.

Why are you making anything I have said or done out to be something it's not?

[fferyllt]

I haven't decided whether I want to PL you today. Or for that matter whether I still buy your claim. If you are alive tomorrow, then ffs shoot within a pool that the thread consensus provides.

ICEninja, you had a reads list you were going to post before nightfall. Let's see it.

[havingfitz]

Fferllt...what was yesterday's consensus?

If I'm in a position to get another shot concensus is fine I guess.

[fferyllt]

Fferllt...what was yesterday's consensus?

If I'm in a position to get another shot concensus is fine I guess.

We didn't get a chance to talk things through to a consensus target list for you. Day 3, if you're still alive, then town needs to make that a priority. If we haven't eliminated 1 scum by then, consensus should be a little suspect, though, due to the percentage of scum represented in the reduced player list. I hope whoever of town is still kicking will have a good idea who they feel are strong-town. Those opinions should be weighted more heavily.

[Garmr]

I am going to say that I'm not herselfs mason partner but I pretty much figured who is day 1. Herself (the desp side anyway) was a mason in my last game with them with tso and they were pretty obvious but I viewed them as scum and pointed them out to mafia.

So this round after I figured it out I keeped my mouth shout and instantly stopped voting SG

@Squirrel of Sheer Awesomeness
Just post 21 shows no individual thought process. I am actually considering switching my vote to Orestes depending on how our little conversation turns out.

Post 21 shows no lack of individual thought process. What I see there is "if you think I'm voting town, show me a case on scum that I think is good and I'll vote it" How do you get something else out of it?

What I got was I'm willing to sheep you if you have a scum read if not i'm voting. Looking back I do see you meant that. I hate being wrong but

UNVOTE: Squirrel of Sheer Awesomeness

What's embarrassing is you made the you were connected to obvious and I never encountered a

mason

or heard of the role before that game. Also the fact if you voted GG which most players wanted to instead of going for a majiffy who was a null read that lent slightly town the other scum would of fallen into place. But enough of that

The White Knighting bit is referring to people jumping to Fluffy Bushytails defence like Orestes.

You and Orestes aren't connected

was just stating the fact you both aided her. Through Orestes did it in a less obvious more scummy way and his post is pretty fluff filled so.

VOTE: Orestes

@Street hastle
I tried metaing both of you before and you should know when as I'm not at liberality to say. I found it pretty hard but from what I saw you were both very persuasive more so empire. An example is BSG, even through you thought your plays were bad in BSG I thought they were good just You managed to survive and that's a pretty good skill to have. To be honest through I couldn't draw a meta out of it but I can keep trying the more Yah try the better you get.

I wanted to leave subtle hints that I figured out he was probably mason again so in that post I wanted to show that I saw him and squirrel as mason and not him and Orestes. So I put Squirrel girl into every one of my top town reads to show that i figured it out to them and to make sure scum couldn't see the connection I put herself in the null-probably town pile and gave some bogus reason to put him there aka the street and herself thing which obviously wasn't staged.

Herself- Most content active scum hunting you must be thinking why isn't he on strong town It's the feeling. He is forceful and manipulative an example of this is with Squirrel girl also my gut feels bad about him/her but brain says town.

This is another subtle hint I laid down just for desp the gut/brain thing is a reference to last game. Squirrel Girl did desp get it. Also that's another way that confirmed in my mind you two were Mason partners he was being forceful with you and you didn't list him as scum.



So I'm going to be completely flat out and honest here. I sheeped herself on the fitz read because I pretty much figured they town and I was focusing on my town hunt more than my scum hunt at that point. So when fitz was being really aggressive I didn't know what to say other Herself provided the reason. I was just being lazy when I was looking at fitz.


Also would like to point Out originally the wagon was on TvK but was shifted to Silver bard.

Herself and Garmr, if you both agree with me that TSB is scum then change your vote to him, we're nearing deadline and need to actually get towards a lynch and while I kind of agree with some of Garmr's reasoning on TvK (The conclusion he tries to get towards in Post 779 makes no sense whatsoever and reads as just fabricating reasoning to push a lynch) I don't fully agree that it makes him scum and I still read TvK's comment about him not generating content in Post 270 vs his comment about the same thing in this game / post where he was town insanely similar as well as like his explanation in Post 449 and his Post 564 was something that I went "Yeah, this is almost exactly how I'm reading everyone at the moment" when I got it which is something I find to be a massive town tell, it's not easy for scum to fake the same wavelength and thought process of town.

Also highly doubt scum would fake-claim vig and I think the fact that mafia have daytalk points slightly more towards it being a scum team of 3 which means a SK is unlikely (If this is 3 scum + SK then seriously fuck that, that's not balanced at all is super swingy and has led to a lot of my loses already and it's something I think or hope that F-16 would be better than to have) which sadly means that Fitz is town which sucks massively since I was actually really confident in him being scum (I've probably only been more confident than here a handful of times lately).

Basically he pretty much singly handley shifted the tvk wagon which would of been lynch instead of the silver wagon. I want to note this If TvK or Regfan flip scum.

[Regfan]

I really want Fitz to be mafia here because that was a fucking retarded vig shot if he's town, Herself was one of my strongest town reads and there was so many better players to vig (Lurkers ect.) but sadly I'm leaning towards him just being a retard. Also masons+vig fit together setup speculation wise since I doubt there'd be something like masons+cop or masons+tracker ect. but still jesus christ that's bad.

Fferyllt, since Empires gone you're going to have to step in as my new thought and read bouncing partner, I tried to do some reading overnight then decided "fuck it, would be a complete waste if I get shot" so it's time to really focus now, we have to be misreading one or two players massively and need to work out who it is because I'm guessing it's one of us tonight now.

(Mafia, Fitz is much better player plz shoot him!)

Only people I'd pretty much nearly 100% rule out right now is Street, ICE and Squirrel. I have massively difficulty seeing Kid A's paranoia and tin-foil theory coming from scum though so not really interested in lynching there. I still think Garmrs reaction towards the push against him and his thoughts are very open and honest and his attitude of "Cool, when I flip town I want X vigged" reads very natural so again not interested in lynching there either. I liked Slaxx's entrance into the game a lot and it flipped a lot of the bad feelings TSO gave me before his replace out but I'd feeling a lot more comfortable being able to replace that slot out if Slaxx picked up his activity a little more today, if he's scum I'll work it out if he's active but so far no massive red flags. I also still read Wakes sheer effort and "interrogation techniques" as town so putting him aside from now. And yes, I know that there's still a read wrong in here somewhere but for right now I want to work out at least one or two mafia and then I'll go back to that.

So that really leaves Milked so tonight (12 hours) I'll do a massive re-read through him and see if I might have just jumped to the conclusion of "X made a case when he was about to die that's detailed X is town" incorrectly and TvK (There are a few posts that bug me but his meta and his reads matching mine earlier are what I liked) who I need to go through after Milked.

PEdit: Uhhhh Garmr, why are you outing who you think Herself's mason partner is? I mean I think I know who it is or at least a few people that it could potentially be but outing that only helps the mafia? Also I lynched TSB because he was my strongest and really only scum read that I had any real confidence in at the end of the day, I even woke up my family doing a little celebratory dance after his (Sadly fake) scum claim.

[fferyllt]

Basically he pretty much singly handley shifted the tvk wagon which would of been lynch instead of the silver wagon. I want to note this If TvK or Regfan flip scum.

I don't think I could have supported a TvK lynch yesterday. I'm very much part of the reason the lynch direction went the way it did.

[fferyllt]

Fferyllt, since Empires gone you're going to have to step in as my new thought and read bouncing partner, I tried to do some reading overnight then decided "fuck it, would be a complete waste if I get shot" so it's time to really focus now, we have to be misreading one or two players massively and need to work out who it is because I'm guessing it's one of us tonight now.

(Mafia, Fitz is much better player plz shoot him!)

Hah! I didn't strain my brain over the night phase for p much the same reason. On the one hand, I'll be much more active this day phase than the last simply because there won't be any synch-hesitation in developing opinions, reads and stances. On the other hand, I think Empire probably approaches the game more similarly to you than I do. On the gripping hand, my reads list is in disarray and a reset is in progress.

Only people I'd pretty much nearly 100% rule out right now is Street, ICE and Squirrel.

I picked up something in ICE's later posts as they were hitting the thread that bugged me a little. I was (and am) looking forward to his reads list to see if it offers a balm to my dis-ease.

I have massively difficulty seeing Kid A's paranoia and tin-foil theory coming from scum though so not really interested in lynching there.

have you had a chance to read his newbie scum game?

I still think Garmrs reaction towards the push against him and his thoughts are very open and honest and his attitude of "Cool, when I flip town I want X vigged" reads very natural so again not interested in lynching there either.

agree.

I liked Slaxx's entrance into the game a lot and it flipped a lot of the bad feelings TSO gave me before his replace out but I'd feeling a lot more comfortable being able to replace that slot out if Slaxx picked up his activity a little more today, if he's scum I'll work it out if he's active but so far no massive red flags.

TSO's weirdness didn't bug me as much as it did some players, and I thought that Herself wasn't too concerned either (which encouraged me in my lack of buggedness). I want to reread their posts to make sure I didn't miss something, though.

I also still read Wakes sheer effort and "interrogation techniques" as town so putting him aside from now. And yes, I know that there's still a read wrong in here somewhere but for right now I want to work out at least one or two mafia and then I'll go back to that.

Agree on Wake. And I think I'm willing to entertain scum possibilities in places you aren't maybe.

So that really leaves Milked so tonight (12 hours) I'll do a massive re-read through him and see if I might have just jumped to the conclusion of "X made a case when he was about to die that's detailed X is town" incorrectly and TvK (There are a few posts that bug me but his meta and his reads matching mine earlier are what I liked) who I need to go through after Milked.

If scum thought fitz was PR-flailing they may have pre-fabbed another wagon. Eek-scum would explain the energy behind the Garmr wagon, even subtracting out TSB's case. It's something I would do as scum if I thought the townwagon might backfire due to a roleclaim. Alternatively, it could have been a fakeclaim, but I'm not jumping to that assumption atm.

PEdit: Uhhhh Garmr, why are you outing who you think Herself's mason partner is? I mean I think I know who it is or at least a few people that it could potentially be but outing that only helps the mafia? Also I lynched TSB because he was my strongest and really only scum read that I had any real confidence in at the end of the day, I even woke up my family doing a little celebratory dance after his (Sadly fake) scum claim.

Seconding this. Garmr, this shit wound up not working out so great in the On a Boat game. Stop speculating out loud about PRs.

[Garmr]

Sorry I wasn't thinking to well.

[Garmr]

I think fitz is just a VI.
But giving him the role of odd night vig is like putting a loaded gun in the babies cradle it's bound to end badly.

[Regfan]

I'll have to give ICE a re-read then but I remember seeing a dozen or so posts where I thought "No chance scum ever post this" and his nervousness and paranoia about us not getting a lynch through or his town reads being mafia read town.

I have read Kid A's newbie (I'm assuming you're talking about the one where he was lynched D1?) and he had significantly more fluff and wagon-jumping there in comparison to here from memory. I'm not sure what you're talking about re; his attempt at dropping a town tell there at all? If it's related to him claiming that mafia had pregame chat I'd consider that a semi-scum slip if anything?

But yeah, for now I think unless I've massively fucked up and missed a lot of things there's probably scum in Milked and TvK.

I think fitz is just a VI.

Sadly I'm thinking the same thing right now.

[havingfitz]

I think fitz is just a VI.

Sadly I'm thinking the same thing right now.

Well good morning to the two of you too. &oBTW...you can both kiss my VI (not) ass

Not all the competent players were busy lynching TSB y'know.

[TvK]

Not sure what to say at the moment. Bard's self-hammer was horrible. Kid A suddenly coming in and voting Fitz does not look good in my opinion. I think it's pretty safe to say Fitz is town.

[Garmr]

I think fitz is just a VI.

Sadly I'm thinking the same thing right now.

Well good morning to the two of you too. &oBTW...you can both kiss my VI (not) ass

Not all the competent players were busy lynching TSB y'know.

Yep some where running a counter wagon on another town player named Garmr or trying to get Herself lynched.

Not sure what to say at the moment. Bard's self-hammer was horrible. Kid A suddenly coming in and voting Fitz does not look good in my opinion. I think it's pretty safe to say Fitz is town.

I really want to policy lynch Bard in future games just because he might pull shit like this. I will agree Kid A's vote was odd but I think he may be mister conspiracy. Could be scum but I'm having hard time seeing who his scum buddies may be.

[fferyllt]

I think fitz is just a VI.

Sadly I'm thinking the same thing right now.

Well good morning to the two of you too. &oBTW...you can both kiss my VI (not) ass

Not all the competent players were busy lynching TSB y'know.

Yep some where running a counter wagon on another town player named Garmr or trying to get Herself lynched.

Not sure what to say at the moment. Bard's self-hammer was horrible. Kid A suddenly coming in and voting Fitz does not look good in my opinion. I think it's pretty safe to say Fitz is town.

I really want to policy lynch Bard in future games just because he might pull shit like this. I will agree Kid A's vote was odd but I think he may be mister conspiracy. Could be scum but I'm having hard time seeing who his scum buddies may be.

Who are you seeing as scum?