A uPick of Ice & Fire - Day 12 - #REKT?

[Benmage]

btw can we put 2 rest the multiple scum team nonsense now that this was confirmed 18:6 at the start of the game? 4 scum lef t...

I'd doubt a 6 man scum team from get-go... I wouldnt put past some 3rd party dude out there somewhere...

[Cephrir]

Cephir, while I never said Alfred was scum, I highlighted his earlier game (before I replaced in) was scummy. See 4308.

He keeps popping in and out, preventing real interaction with him

. Yesterday, there was no point in pursuing AB's hammer due to Naut's dueling. Try to look at the entire situation before throwing accusations Cephir.

I want either Alfred Borden (due to his fast hammers), Naut or the Alchemist dead. That's my lynch pool.

4308 says lean town... I know you then say "he's improved" but that is not "highlighting his earlier game".

Re: bold- first I've heard of it! It is customary to give your reasons along with your vote. I'll have you know I did look through your iso for mentions of Alfred before posting that, so...

Your lynch pool blows. The only thing you have about Naut is you suddenly suspecting he's a third party for... I guess role related reasons... yesterday? As if we haven't talked enough about role related reasons at this point.

[Tierce]

Still crickets, Llamarble.

[Benmage]

For the bloc... my only reservation might be Alfred... but full speed a head.

[kanyeknowsbest]

Setup spec, wild flinging, desperate to separate yourself Kanye?

?????

[Benmage]

Damnit my post was before Tierces...

[Titus]

Cephir, while I never said Alfred was scum, I highlighted his earlier game (before I replaced in) was scummy. See 4308.

He keeps popping in and out, preventing real interaction with him

. Yesterday, there was no point in pursuing AB's hammer due to Naut's dueling. Try to look at the entire situation before throwing accusations Cephir.

I want either Alfred Borden (due to his fast hammers), Naut or the Alchemist dead. That's my lynch pool.

4308 says lean town... I know you then say "he's improved" but that is not "highlighting his earlier game".

Re: bold- first I've heard of it! It is customary to give your reasons along with your vote. I'll have you know I did look through your iso for mentions of Alfred before posting that, so...

Your lynch pool blows. The only thing you have about Naut is you suddenly suspecting he's a third party for... I guess role related reasons... yesterday? As if we haven't talked enough about role related reasons at this point.

Yeah, I haven't highlighted every scummy thing AB did. He had a scummy, very silent opening. Two suspicious as fuck hammers. Yeah, it's enough for me to vote him given the fact we have a shit ton of likely town here. Regarding Naut, literally seizing the lynch action without discussion or reason is very anti-town. We probably would have lynched PnJ soon enough anyway, but I cannot fully trust him. Period. Given the open ended nature of these setups, I'm not going to put Naut as total town yet. It'd be foolish to. I also note how you skipped Alchemist in my lynch pool.

Kanye, you've basically done everything BUT comment on AB. AB looks like a topic you want to avoid.

[Titus]

I also did give my reasons, his two hammers NEED explaining Cephir.

[kanyeknowsbest]

?????????????????????

are you serious

[kanyeknowsbest]

vote titus

[Cephrir]

Cephir, while I never said Alfred was scum, I highlighted his earlier game (before I replaced in) was scummy. See 4308.

He keeps popping in and out, preventing real interaction with him

. Yesterday, there was no point in pursuing AB's hammer due to Naut's dueling. Try to look at the entire situation before throwing accusations Cephir.

I want either Alfred Borden (due to his fast hammers), Naut or the Alchemist dead. That's my lynch pool.

4308 says lean town... I know you then say "he's improved" but that is not "highlighting his earlier game".

Re: bold- first I've heard of it! It is customary to give your reasons along with your vote. I'll have you know I did look through your iso for mentions of Alfred before posting that, so...

Your lynch pool blows. The only thing you have about Naut is you suddenly suspecting he's a third party for... I guess role related reasons... yesterday? As if we haven't talked enough about role related reasons at this point.

Yeah, I haven't highlighted

every

a single scummy thing AB did. He had a scummy, very silent opening.

FTFY

Off the top of my head don't even know what second sentence is referring to

Regarding Naut, literally seizing the lynch action without discussion or reason is very anti-town.

It really isn't, for one. For another, you then go on to cite the P&J lynch for this... are you messing up your days or do you actually think we're all mindless bodies that were hypnotized into lynching P&J...?

I cannot fully trust him. Period. Given the open ended nature of these setups, I'm not going to put Naut as total town yet. It'd be foolish to.

That's about a mile and a half from having him in your lynch pool. Paranoia is healthy; stupidity is not. I'm not giving him a free forever 100% omg such town pass. At present though he's pretty close to the top of my townlist.

I also note how you skipped Alchemist in my lynch pool.

The fact that you have possibly the most obvious lynch in the game correct does not count in your favor. Also, I note you yesterday said "GR is a huge scumread". Where did they go?

Any townbloc membership this might once have had is officially revoked.

[Benmage]

vote titus

Stop wasting time.

[kanyeknowsbest]

i do not believe that the titus who has proven herself to take fucking notes on the game and be careful about paying attention to details doesnt know my stance on alfred. the only way i can rationalize this is for the former to be a scumact. throw on top of that our now flipped roleblock on her on a night w.o. a kill and no other explanation for the lack of kill and my votes goin nowhere but titus today.

[kanyeknowsbest]

vote titus

Stop wasting time.

otoh lynch titus.

[Benmage]

*yawn* argue to me again with the scum and the notes thing.

[Benmage]

^Its called a scumqt for notes.

[Titus]

@CEphir, yeah skip over the entire conversation Tierce GR and I had about his night actions screaming that GR is town. Yeah, GR is a scumread based on play but I'm not going to lynch someone unless I can come up with an explanation for that. You're also getting rather aggressive over a mistake that is clear by context. Naut dueled GnR who was likely the lynch anyway. Naut seized the GnR lynch making a duel between the two, thus preventing any rational discussion. Oh and you can't forget my favorite scumtell, distancing language. It's right about 75% of the time. Why don't you try reading and looking at context? Or is that too "stupid" for you?

@Kayne, sure man. That's being stupid. A) My lack of action on that night has been explained because

I didn't have a night action

. B) Do you really think I fucking faked that?

[Eddard Stark]

Day 7, Vc 1

Alfred Borden (2) -

Garruk Relentless, Titus

elleheathen (3) -

Nautilius, Benmage, Cephrir

Titus (1) -

kanyeknowsbest

Not voting (9)

: Alfred Borden, elleheathen, Messiah Complex, ooba, SafetyDance, Shadoweh, The Alchemist, Tammy, Tierce

With 15 alive it takes 8 votes to lynch

• Deadline Date: 5th of December 20:15 EST
  
• Deadline Countdown: (expired on 2013-12-08 19:30:00)
  
• No oneis V/la

[Shadoweh]

That's awkward because I almost vigged Agar before noticing his roleblock crumb >.>
Serious question though Agar lived to kill Titus, Agar wasn't exactly trying the hardest, Agar was killed because ???
Either this game has the most amazing doctor, the scum are avoiding killing all the 'soft-cleared town' because they love you, or something else is going on here. 18-6 seems kind of unbalanced too?

PS dueling the goat was bad and I bet if I'd come to your house for playtime you would have wanted to kill him. Tell me how I could be scum again when I'm a double-confirmed vig, because I would love to hear something besides PoE that also made dueling the doublevoting censor a good idea. Also RE: Alfred had an awesome Day 1, in my experience it's actually pretty easy to start out strong and slowly drift into the background when no one is looking at you. Also because:

That's a good list.
This is a simple decision.
VOTE: Goat on a Raft

Doesn't coincide with:

How does Benmage have 236 posts??
I get that he's super cheeky but beyond that he's Just There.
He probably shouldn't be getting the E.

Elle should though.
That would be a pretty Excellent Spyrex Bus.
In addition to Excellent Claiming Planz.
In addition to being Previously and Otherwise Town.

If there's one person I've actually read enough times to be confident on it's her.

Which seems like it was awhile ago but was about four whole posts ago on the Empire is posting even less then me scale. I'm wondering what he thinks of the pain train heading on her and him right now.

[elleheathen]

Elle, control + F yields approximately one hit on "Tierce" day 1. If you were going to permanently roleblock her, then why the hell didn't you mention anything about her D1?

Didn't get here in time to reply with this the other day, though it was already answered:

Why did you start the day voting for Zdenek? On day three you were convinced Spyrex was scum and you danced the the thread with a sign. You spent day one arguing with Thor and pushing his lynch. But you were about as convinced as one could get that Tierce was scum on day one and you don't interact with her at all? You don't vote her? You don't question her? You just nothing? Come now.

If you were just totally convinced that Tierce was scum day one, how come Post 447 is the only mention of Tierce before Post 2557 when you asked Nacho why Tierce wasn't in the lynch order after he said Tammy/Tierce are strong scum reads. Other than that the next time you mention her is when you start asking us if Tierce is town.

One, because I wasn't very

convinced

on anything until after Thor's flip. A lot of my decision to target Tierce was based on Thor's final reads and him wanting to see either her or Zdenek's flip, in combination with the weird final vote switch/Faraday doesn't do millers reasoning. I meta'd some of her games at night at it wasn't adding up - that, and because I saw her as the biggest threat if she was scum.

Two, what would have been the point in not following my other reads for scum - when I'd already done all I can to take her abilities away if she were scum? Why not focus on my next highest scumspect, since I'd already taken away what I could of what Tierce's scum abilities from my pov?

I figured the best thing I could do was let it play out until either she claimed doing something as scum that my action would have blocked - or until I thought she was town. Which I did - and why I came out telling you all the kill me because I thought her claim was truthful instead of a gambit - and that she had a chance to save herself and one other 3 times as opposed to just being one-shot BP.

[elleheathen]

I feel like this is an attempt to pit town vs town.
Do not like.

[SafetyDance]

Shit quicklynch is shit. There was a need for that?

Anyway, lol at Agar dead. That's one less scum read in the game. Also there's a town bloc and a non-town bloc person dies. Interesting.

The Alchemist

Back to this.

[SafetyDance]

btw can we put 2 rest the multiple scum team nonsense now that this was confirmed 18:6 at the start of the game? 4 scum lef t...

4

non-town

aligned players left. They don't all have to be aligned with Chaos (scum). Plenty of 3rd party suspects around.

[ooba]

I should have just pushed for this on D5 without getting paranoid

Vote: TheAlchemist

[Cephrir]

@CEphir, yeah skip over the entire conversation Tierce GR and I had about his night actions screaming that GR is town. Yeah, GR is a scumread based on play but I'm not going to lynch someone unless I can come up with an explanation for that. You're also getting rather aggressive over a mistake that is clear by context. Naut dueled GnR who was likely the lynch anyway. Naut seized the GnR lynch making a duel between the two, thus preventing any rational discussion. Oh and you can't forget my favorite scumtell, distancing language. It's right about 75% of the time. Why don't you try reading and looking at context? Or is that too "stupid" for you?

@Kayne, sure man. That's being stupid. A) My lack of action on that night has been explained because

I didn't have a night action

. B) Do you really think I fucking faked that?

I guess that happened. Obviously your mistake wasn't very clear by context, or I wouldn't have gotten concerned about it. I was happy enough with yesterday ending quickly, I don't think we were about to get anything useful to happen there. You can say "distancing language" all day but until you tell me what you're talking about it's pretty meaningless. Not to mention it doesn't detract from my original assertion that at the time of your vote you hadn't given sufficient reason for it.

Oh, is this a real thing? Are we actually voting today? In that case, sounds great.

Vote: Alchemist