A uPick of Ice & Fire - Day 12 - #REKT?

[Tierce]

Mind explaining why you're apparently supporting a elleheathen lynch while on Syryana's wagon, Cephrir?

[Cephrir]

In what universe is one line on the subject supporting a lynch?

I do think she needs to go before too long, as I'm pretty much on board with whittling the game down to Nacho's list yesterday, but if we can get Alchemist to swing today that would be preferable.

[ooba]

In what universe is one line on the subject supporting a lynch?

In this universe - where that one line is "I support that lynch".

[Cephrir]

In what universe is one line on the subject supporting a lynch?

In this universe - where that one line is "I support that lynch".

I was referring to my one line about elle in 4699, which doesn't say that

[ooba]

In what universe is one line on the subject supporting a lynch?

In this universe - where that one line is "I support that lynch".

I was referring to my one line about elle in 4699, which doesn't say that

I think the two scum teams this game are "Humour" and the "Internet" because they seem opposed.

[Tierce]

In what universe is one line on the subject supporting a lynch?

When you're attempting to undercut me without providing a solid argument on why she did it as scum (it is a low risk/low reward or high risk/low reward situation for her at best), yes, you come across as supporting a wagon while sitting outside it.

[Cephrir]

@ooba- Oh.

@Tierce- That's a load of hogwash. I'm not "trying to undercut you". I'm just saying what I damn well think. I don't keep my opinion in my pants as town because I'm worried I might blow up someone's ~reaction test~ or whatever. I'm just saying you shouldn't give her a free pass. You'll know when I'm supporting a wagon because I'll say "X is scummy". You are trying really hard to assign scum motivation to me and it reminds me of the other time you did this like 100 pages ago.

[Tierce]

Dahling, if I was trying to assign scum motivation to you, I'd be voting you. If you don't have a decent

reason

that explains why elle would do what she did as scum, you can very well keep your superficial opinion in your pants. You spoke up, I'm daring you to either challenge my views on the matter with actual arguments, or go back to your corner and your "she should eventually die" thoughts.

[Benmage]

I've been letting a little crazy in lately that has me believing the scum team might gain something from

Hammering

... SpyreX being the original lamb, and Alfred ninja-ing one with that GnR speedlynch.

I kind of want to think they are building the ladder/chain of Chaos. Sure, SpyreX's claim fit in with his role, but this is so tempting a concept--six scum needing certain events to gain abilities.

I still think there's gotta be a 3rd party in there. 6 person scum team, with daytalk(hello faraday game).. Its a lot. We'd still be against 4 scum! Can you name a 4 man scum-team? I can't.

But if it was 5 from the get-go (and as we've seen lots of town power even if weakish)... scum could gain varying weak abilities. 1 shot ---- Tracker/RB/Doc/Watcher/Rolecop etc etc.

Anyways kinda a tangent not worth over-pursuing atm.

[Benmage]

^Maybe even stronger power for more scum on a wagon.... Like Faraday supporting the scum being drivers... HRMMM (Okay okay I'm done with the crazy talk)

[Benmage]

My lynch to win path:

Alfred Borden (Empire/Llamarble)
Garuk Relentless (Natarisha/MafiaSSK)
The Alchemist
Shadoweh
Messiah Complex (Desperado/Formerfish)
SafetyDance
elleheathen
kanyeknowsbest
Cephrir
ooba
Tammy
Tierce
Titus
Nautilius (Nacho/Ellibereth)
Benmage

[The Alchemist]

V/LA until Sunday

[Messiah Complex]

-Yeah, he did. I can point to town things that he's done in the past days, never said I couldn't. D1 is the selling point, though.
2: being aware of something doesn't mean you can play to it unless you're a good scum player. Empire isn't a good scum player. It's not ringing alarm bells for me because Empire has some rl shit that happened to him so I understand why he hasn't been involved that deep. Llamarble play has no excuse.
3: see real life issues.

1) D1 is simultaneously the peak and the beginning of a quick descent. Please do.
2) Empire isn't a good scum player but he is occupying the same slot as someone whose scum prowess is actually informing your townread. Do you think Empire isn't good at taking directions?
3) Didn't we go over all this with Amrun earlier? Real life excuses are just excuses. Borden's record says "scum."

- Des

[Tammy]

Elle, control + F yields approximately one hit on "Tierce" day 1. If you were going to permanently roleblock her, then why the hell didn't you mention anything about her D1?

Where were you a couple days ago when I was asking this...invisible!

[Tammy]

-Empire's scumgame is very inconsistent; he can make one big post, but his consistency is absolute shit. During Day 1, Empire was around, he was posting, he was doing a lot of good things. Compare his D1 here with his D1 in that Mini Normal and you'll see a hell of a difference.
-Empire hates scum. Llamarble does not hate scum, and is competent at it. If that hydra drew scum, Llamarble would be the driving head and Empire would be in the background (see any morph the cat scum completed game for an example of that), but Empire was the primary driver the entire game and he's uncomfortable as fuck.
-See Empire's confidence in the mini normal scumgame, where his biggest meta threat was ffery versus his confidence here, where his biggest meta threats were Tammy/Tierce as part of the TET masonry. There's no way in hell he goes from awkward as hell as scum in a Mini Normal to god-tier town D1 here when there are more things he has to worry about here.

This is really good reasoning for Alfred being town. I'm paranoid as hell right now over the hammer happy Bordendragons, but I still really think they're town from day one. I have serious doubts about them being Chaos based on the way Empire interacted with me about Spyrex. On the one hand, I hate that he didn't join me there because I feel he would have, but on the other I think he would have bussed upon seeing me and Nacho serious about him being scum.

He also targetted me night one, and I like that. I think that of everyone, he would have killed Tierce and me here and we're both still alive. I mean I think he might think he can fool me for a little while, but he also knows that I have a tendency to get paranoid and wig out on my friends in the late game, so I'm not sure how much he would just leave me alive.

I suppose in the slightest of chances he could be third party, but I still doubt it. His posting was way too comfortable over an entire day phase of interacting with me for me to think it.

Marble could get to posting adorable stuff instead of quick hammers though, that would be nice.

[Titus]

Tammy, how do you mean he targeted you? Would it do something to shake the confidence of Desperado's theory that Empire is scum due to the various blocking/no kills and spike in activity? Can you explain the dual hammer coming from a town perspective?

I really don't like how Alchemist has just vanished most of today.

[Titus]

Forgot the VLA again.

VLA December 3-4, 9-11

[Titus]

That should be December 2nd

[SafetyDance]

Alfred Borden (Empire/Llamarble) - Lean Town, his latest posts have greatly improved.

[SafetyDance]

TA lynch -> Titus lynch -> Elle lynch -> Re-Assess after flips. That is how I would like this game to go.

Throw Alfie in there if you want as long as it gets those lynched.

[Titus]

SD, you really need to start making sense. In no rational world does it make sense that The Alchemist and I are scum together considering his actions of only being able to comment when I am a lynch target. Your reads just don't sound like someone who put any logical thought into them.

[SafetyDance]

I don't really care that you're trying to disassociate yourself from TA, you've done enough to earn rope yourself.

You're talking about being logical which is ironical, since one of #4308 or #4687 must be wrong, therefore you're lying in one of your posts. Keep up the good work!

[Titus]

What is inconsistent about them? 4308 is a read wall and the other post you quoted talks about Agar not being a cop (he was a roleblocker presumably) along with Naut's dueling which hadn't happened at the time of 4308. Again, that appears to be just a slanderous ATE unless there is something I am forgetting.

[SafetyDance]

Where is the emotion in saying there are inconsistencies?

[SafetyDance]

Alfred Borden (Empire/Llamarble) - Lean Town, his latest posts have greatly improved.

As for your comment SafetyDance, fuck you. I have been the earliest pusher of AB although I didn't have a case like Desperado's.

Cephrir picked it up, I believe he even talked to you about it. Goldfish memory ftl