A uPick of Ice & Fire - Day 12 - #REKT?

[Benmage]

She had the seal of approval as of my last disappearance; I will want to check again though.

Re - Benmage:
Benmage has a strong scumgame.
I see a lot of hard to fake posts but no hard evidence for Benmage town. His bestest towntells are missing.
Benmage-scum makes things make more sense to me.

Benmage, if you're town in this game then tell me why.

[Tammy]

Cephrir - We both claimed to each other day one in the neighborhood. I knew about the coin; it's why I was wondering about if anyone had received a coin when people were trying to lynch him the day we lynched Spyrex.

And I've been dwelling in my own rabbit hole about a Tierce/Alchemist scum team since day one. I've just been keeping it under wraps and trying to think logically about this.

[Benmage]

You guys's scumhunting blows.

And the games getting crazy with these claims. Scum are 100% manipulating something.

Now there's another neighbor in Garruk... and Shadoweh controled a 1 shot strong arm... Had to marry off 2 guys WHAT THE FUCK... why do people claim so vaguely.

1) Was the neighborhood from the start, or was someone a neighborizer?
2) What 2 males were married off?
3) Reasoning for the Katsuki shot..../Whats this nonsense about waiting to D5???

[Tierce]

Rabbit hole, Tammy dear. I'm only scum with you.

Garruk:

@Tierce: Once, only.

What's this about?

[ooba]

Ooba, I will refrain from hammering.

Thank you. I agree with most of Naut's analysis:

Town bloc

Zednek\Titus

: Please go read D3 again. SpyreX's interactions with Zed, Zed's play are clearly town. In fact, I would

Naut

: Nacho's town (or worst, dual scum). We just finished a game in which we were scum partners - the energy levels and posting feel totally different.

Shadow

: Shadow's town. I wish she had vigged somebody else, but still town.

SafetyDance

: D4 interactions with Quadz make him look good. I will feel even better about this slot if TA flips scum.

Tierce

: A lot of actions that don't make sense as scum including clearing two potential lynch candidates. Will reevaluate if either flips scum later.

Tammy

: I had Tammy as town but right now in the "I have to be wrong about somebody as town, so I'm paranoid about this slot". If elle's scum, Tammy's most definitely town for going "SpyreX and elle are scum" on D2 (or D3, I forget which).

Not for today list

Cephrir, Messiah

: I felt good about these slots on previous days. Messiah for the conviction displayed when voting SpyreX - Cephrir for general posting. Not as town as above.

Alfred

: I liked him enough for early play not to lynch him today.

elle

: Just for the "Kill me!" on D5 but I would reverse this read in a heartbeat.

Garruk

: I think the entire tierce got shot N1 role thing has to be relooked. If we remove the assumption that Tierce for sure was shot on N1, then I still like elle because she was like "kill me!" on D5. Garruk - I would still see them motivating a scum partner but I feel much better about elle than this slot.

Here are reasons to lynch alchemist today:
- We've already seen Quadz bussing a partner but then moving votes for weak ass reasons. He was so "Alchemist" was scum on D3 and literally never mentions him on D4.
- SpyreX's scumlist: You can go back and check but I actually questioned SpyreX on putting Syryana there - it was very odd putting him on the scumlist.
- General lack of scumhunting: The two pushes in this game from him were on SafetyDance and Agar - one who's flipped town and one who's town (if mono scum).
- Most of my neutrals {Kanye, Benmage, Garruk} are avoiding this wagon like crazy and are instead focusing on {Titus, Alfred, Kanye} respectively.

[Benmage]

*yawn*

unvote vote The Alchemist

(incomingselfhammer? )

[ooba]

Unvote.

I'd rather the hammer be coordinated (i.e. be made by someone in town bloc than random) to be on the safer side.

[Shadoweh]

For the record and I'm just going to say fuck it at this point, but Shadoweh's my neighbor and she's 100% confirmed town(or if we're expecting some sort of third party, not-mafia) in my eyes because her kill only activated upon neighborize. Faraday fucked up and didn't tell me that it was one-shot until after the fact or I would have pushed harder for an Agar or kanye kill. She had no reason to wait that long to neighborize as scum since it took she clearly had two males to marry off at any point, and it involves her wanting to burn a 1-shot strongman on

Katsuki

. Over the claimed roleblocker, that I was pushing

hard

in our QT for or anyone else, because I told her I'd default to anyone she chose.

Agar would have been a bad kill and I still think Kayne isn't a good kill either so :V I keep talking about fire BTW but my kill method is kind of nightmare fuel and I have seen pictures that will never go away. Never. No Benmage I did not have to marry off two guys, I just needed to find a nice, virile young man, possibly one who was asking where the whores were and needed to be educated.

Also I'm not hammering Alchemist, I kind of get the feeling he's being voted due to bleh and he literally hasn't been here to post so etc?

[Tammy]

Here are reasons to lynch alchemist today:
- We've already seen Quadz bussing a partner but then moving votes for weak ass reasons. He was so "Alchemist" was scum on D3 and literally never mentions him on D4.

Which partner did Quadz buss then move the vote for weak ass reasons?

[ooba]

Here are reasons to lynch alchemist today:
- We've already seen Quadz bussing a partner but then moving votes for weak ass reasons. He was so "Alchemist" was scum on D3 and literally never mentions him on D4.

Which partner did Quadz buss then move the vote for weak ass reasons?

SpyreX D3. Then immediately voted Naut because "Naut didn't specify why his scum are scum"!

[Tammy]

So he did. Nevermind. I thought I remembered him staying away from Spyrex and caught you in a slip

[ooba]

This is a turnaround but I've literally spent the last hour staring at vote counts and
- It was impossible to make a 5-player scum team that made sense with TheAlchemist
- I revisited assumptions and I guess there is a lot of evidence against TA scum too
-- Quadz voting TA on D3 when the wagon was rising
-- TA voting SpyreX when I asked him to
-- The coin
It's tough to admit but I *might* be wrong here.

Anyway of the counter wagons, I'm not voting Alfred and kanye's a decent chance for scum anyway.

kanye's play on D4 hardly clears him. It was very clear that SafetyDance and Quadz was a 1:1. Quadz was either going to lynched D4 or D5 with Safety's flip. So he pushed a bit harder to get Quadz lynched on D4 - it's hardly bussing when you lynch a partner who's had it in anyway.

Vote: kanye

However, if kanye flips town, Shadoweh, please kill TA.

[Benmage]

Ooba, as I alluded to I believe Alch with likely flip town at this juncture. But he's a thorn we cannot have endgame.

Sooooo.. with that said please lynch him.

[Benmage]

Unvote.

I'd rather the hammer be coordinated (i.e. be made by someone in town bloc than random) to be on the safer side.

How many gagillion hates need will be consumed endagme when the "bloc" has scum in it?

[Benmage]

^pedit hats...

And whats the hammer concern... damn ooba u bad at dis.

[Cephrir]

Ooba, as I alluded to I believe Alch with likely flip town at this juncture. But he's a thorn we cannot have endgame.

Sooooo.. with that said please lynch him.

Substitute 'quite possibly' for 'likely' and pretty much this.

[Garruk Relentless]

Does anyone else find Benmage's behavior the last page curious? Especially his wagon swap?

@Tierce: That was in response to your post a few before, where you asked "forever?". I wasn't exactly sure what you were alluding to at the time, but I figured you thought our motivate lasted more than one night or something dumb. Now i know you were talking about the vanillaize.

Regarding the neighborhood, I was neighborized by Shadoweh night three. We had a 1-shot strongman kill that we had to separately agree to target. She told me how she came to neighborize us in pretty much the same way as here--including the detail that she couldn't marry Alfred n2 due to him being a non-human. Once again, Faraday's message to me was vague, so I thought that it was not one-shot. Regarding the Katsuki kill, we had been discussing it all through d4 and had actually submitted Agar. However, literally 2 hours before night deadline, Shadoweh had cold feet on the Agar kill and asked me to change. I relented. We've mostly just discussed reads & talked about video game music since, she's been a very good listener to my little conspiracies.

[Benmage]

Does anyone else find Benmage's behavior the last page curious? Especially his wagon swap?

Whats curious is the vague general question verse asking the source... What do you find curious about me voting the alchemist? What else on this page is "curious".

[Benmage]

Regarding the neighborhood, I was neighborized by Shadoweh night three. We had a 1-shot strongman kill that we had to separately agree to target. She told me how she came to neighborize us in pretty much the same way as here--including the detail that she couldn't marry Alfred n2 due to him being a non-human. Once again, Faraday's message to me was vague, so I thought that it was not one-shot. Regarding the Katsuki kill, we had been discussing it all through d4 and had actually submitted Agar. However, literally 2 hours before night deadline, Shadoweh had cold feet on the Agar kill and asked me to change. I relented. We've mostly just discussed reads & talked about video game music since, she's been a very good listener to my little conspiracies.

Do you have daytalk?

-So she tried to neighborize Alfred n2.. failed.
-Succeeded with you n3.. Did you both gain the 1 shot as a bonus to the neighborhood.. was it a caveat to her neighboring ability, i.e. did she know beforehand that the neighborhood would gain this shot?

[Tammy]

Town I feel good about: Benmage, Tierce and Alfred Borden. (Random rabbit holes aside, I'd be super duper surprised if any of these flipped scum.)

Everyone else is up in the air. Every time I try to narrow down who else I think is town, I realize it's too many I'm calling town.

I'll try to narrow down this list later. I mean I still doubt very seriously that Alchemist will flip scum, Shadoweh seems townish mostly for her partial reversal she did on me a couple days ago when she thought I could be scum. I think as scum, she'd just leave me as town, like she's done every single other time she's been scum.

That leaves like nine people I need to sort. Some of them I think are town but they can't all be.

[Tammy]

I had daytalk in my qt with Syryana.

[Garruk Relentless]

Do you have daytalk?

-So she tried to neighborize Alfred n2.. failed.
-Succeeded with you n3.. Did you both gain the 1 shot as a bonus to the neighborhood.. was it a caveat to her neighboring ability, i.e. did she know beforehand that the neighborhood would gain this shot?

Yes on all accounts. I'm not sure if she knew about the vig power of the neighborhood prior, but I assume so.

[Tammy]

I could potentially join kanye. He was on my would list lynch, but I think emptier disagreed I'd have to go back yo last why.

[ooba]

@Benmage: I'd rather lynch scum than "potential thorns" at endgame. If I had my way, we'd never go to endgame.

[Shadoweh]

Do you have daytalk?
-So she tried to neighborize Alfred n2.. failed.
-Succeeded with you n3.. Did you both gain the 1 shot as a bonus to the neighborhood.. was it a caveat to her neighboring ability, i.e. did she know beforehand that the neighborhood would gain this shot?

Yes, yes, obviously yes the neighbourizing is more of a by-product