NY 167: COMPLETELY NORMAL Mafia (GAME OVER)

ISO · Post Post #2725 (ISO) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 8:09 am

In post 2724, TheIrishPope wrote:no way Town P5 would lurk

You're kidding right

Guyett · Post Post #2726 (ISO) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 8:11 am

that doesn't make them conf scum. That being said PV's play is very similar to Marvel vs DC here which is why he is up as potential scum. He needs to be investigated tonight

PeregrineV · Post Post #2727 (ISO) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:02 am

In post 2600, RadiantCowbells wrote:The only way MC could be non-scum is if Roleblocking is classified as a protective action, which I've seen it as.

Jailkeeping

A Jailkeeper (or Jailer)'s Night Action is one that protects its target from kills, but also Roleblocks its target. Unlike Doctor, Jailkeeper's protection extends

TheIrishPope · Post Post #2728 (ISO) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:04 am

See
Scum

Guyett · Post Post #2729 (ISO) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:06 am

In post 2727, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 2600, RadiantCowbells wrote:The only way MC could be non-scum is if Roleblocking is classified as a protective action, which I've seen it as.
Jailkeeping

A Jailkeeper (or Jailer)'s Night Action is one that protects its target from kills, but also Roleblocks its target. Unlike Doctor, Jailkeeper's protection extends

ISO · Post Post #2730 (ISO) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:07 am

He can't be a jailkeeper. If he was, MCM wouldn't have gotten a result.

Guyett · Post Post #2731 (ISO) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:07 am

In post 2727, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 2600, RadiantCowbells wrote:The only way MC could be non-scum is if Roleblocking is classified as a protective action, which I've seen it as.
Jailkeeping

A Jailkeeper (or Jailer)'s Night Action is one that protects its target from kills, but also Roleblocks its target. Unlike Doctor, Jailkeeper's protection extends

PV do you really think AFB is a jailkeeper?

PeregrineV · Post Post #2732 (ISO) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:10 am

In post 2730, Cephrir wrote:He can't be a jailkeeper. If he was, MCM wouldn't have gotten a result.

Did Angry say he "protected" McMara?

Guyett · Post Post #2733 (ISO) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:13 am

Guyett · Post Post #2734 (ISO) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:14 am

In post 2478, Angry Frat BROs wrote:This is me confirming that I used a protective shot on MC last night. That's why I was getting defensive about the "why are they alive" point.

I'm not substantiating beyond that because ~reasons~

PeregrineV · Post Post #2735 (ISO) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:18 am

In post 2731, Guyett wrote:
In post 2727, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 2600, RadiantCowbells wrote:The only way MC could be non-scum is if Roleblocking is classified as a protective action, which I've seen it as.
Jailkeeping

A Jailkeeper (or Jailer)'s Night Action is one that protects its target from kills, but also Roleblocks its target. Unlike Doctor, Jailkeeper's protection extends
PV do you really think AFB is a jailkeeper?

The questions I'm trying to answer:

Is Radiant a cop?
If so, he got 1 innocent (Hermy) and one guilty (AFB).

McMara "counterclaims" with "I followed AFB, he is a protective role".
Who did AFB say he targeted last night?
Scum doctors are not that common. It would, however, act as a GF to a town gunsmith.

Is IrishPope a gunsmith?
Got a gun on Sangres and no-gun on (I forget).
Scumdoc would act as GF to that role.

Sangres claims 1-shot vig who killed Caled n1. Ceph counters as X-shot vig. Sangres double-counters that he is scum, but Ceph is SK because kill on him failed.

Ceph can be sorted later, but I can see Sengres as scum based on Ceph counterclaim.

Circling back, if AFB is scum protective role, yet is not scumdoc, may be scum JK. This would give him both a protect and roleblock, giving the scumteam a little more versatility.

Why would Sangres claim knowing he may be counterclaimed?
To help the town out by locating the SK?
To get the town vig to claim so they can kill him?
To draw attention away from the Radiant cop-guilty claim?

Doubt it.
Probably.
Could see if Sangres is goon.

PeregrineV · Post Post #2736 (ISO) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:24 am

Got it.

Another option would be scum JOAT.

This would allow AFB to be scum while leaving McMara as town and yet still correct.

But, McMara can't verify the target of AFB, just his action, correct?

Which doesn't answer "Is Radiant the cop?"

1- He could be the town cop with the results he stated.
2- He could be town cop lying about results.
3- He could be scum trying to lynch town AFB.
4- He could be town VT gambitting to get his scumread of AFB lynched and protect his townread Hermy.

1-Makes the most sense.
2-Makes little sense.
3- If that is the case, why the Sangres scumclaim?
4- Maybe, but most town backs off when called on it, because most are not egotistical enough to think they are never wrong. Which brings me back to probably 1.

Guyett · Post Post #2737 (ISO) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:24 am

In post 2735, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 2731, Guyett wrote:
In post 2727, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 2600, RadiantCowbells wrote:The only way MC could be non-scum is if Roleblocking is classified as a protective action, which I've seen it as.
Jailkeeping

A Jailkeeper (or Jailer)'s Night Action is one that protects its target from kills, but also Roleblocks its target. Unlike Doctor, Jailkeeper's protection extends
PV do you really think AFB is a jailkeeper?
The questions I'm trying to answer:

Is Radiant a cop?
Yes

If so, he got 1 innocent (Hermy) and one guilty (AFB).
Yes

McMara "counterclaims" with "I followed AFB, he is a protective role".
Who did AFB say he targeted last night?
He protected McMara

Scum doctors are not that common. It would, however, act as a GF to a town gunsmith.
Yes

Is IrishPope a gunsmith?
Yes

Got a gun on Sangres and no-gun on (I forget).
No gun on AFB indicating probable scum doc

Scumdoc would act as GF to that role.

Sangres claims 1-shot vig who killed Caled n1. Ceph counters as X-shot vig. Sangres double-counters that he is scum, but Ceph is SK because kill on him failed.
Sangres is scum, Ceph may be SK but is likely town vig

Ceph can be sorted later, but I can see Sengres as scum based on Ceph counterclaim.

Circling back, if AFB is scum protective role, yet is not scumdoc, may be scum JK. This would give him both a protect and roleblock, giving the scumteam a little more versatility.
I think Scum JK will show as having a gun so no

Why would Sangres claim knowing he may be counterclaimed?
Wifom to draw out SK or the vig and say they are SK

To help the town out by locating the SK?
possibly

To get the town vig to claim so they can kill him?
Probably not with all the other roles floating about

To draw attention away from the Radiant cop-guilty claim?
on AFB?

Doubt it.
Probably.
Could see if Sangres is goon.

Guyett · Post Post #2738 (ISO) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:25 am

In post 2736, PeregrineV wrote:Got it.

Another option would be scum JOAT.

This would allow AFB to be scum while leaving McMara as town and yet still correct.

But, McMara can't verify the target of AFB, just his action, correct?

Which doesn't answer "Is Radiant the cop?"

1- He could be the town cop with the results he stated.
2- He could be town cop lying about results.
3- He could be scum trying to lynch town AFB.
4- He could be town VT gambitting to get his scumread of AFB lynched and protect his townread Hermy.

1-Makes the most sense.
2-Makes little sense.
3- If that is the case, why the Sangres scumclaim?
4- Maybe, but most town backs off when called on it, because most are not egotistical enough to think they are never wrong. Which brings me back to probably 1.

Scum JOAT will have a gun so no

PeregrineV · Post Post #2739 (ISO) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:30 am

So if both Sangres and AFB are scum, why not lynch AFB, confirm Radiant, and have Ceph shoot Sangres?

That makes the most sense, really.

Am I missing something?

Guyett · Post Post #2740 (ISO) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:31 am

why not lynch sangres and have csph shoot AFB?

TheIrishPope · Post Post #2741 (ISO) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:32 am

Lynches are infinite while Ceph shots are limited

PeregrineV · Post Post #2742 (ISO) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:34 am

In post 2740, Guyett wrote:why not lynch sangres and have csph shoot AFB?

Because should anything go wrong with night actions, the AFB flip will confirm Radiant as cop, giving the towndoc someone to cover.

And if Sangres fakeclaimed, then he's probably not a scum PR, while AFB appears to be.

Guyett · Post Post #2743 (ISO) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:37 am

how do you know there is even a town doc? we're already overloaded with PR's....

PeregrineV · Post Post #2744 (ISO) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:40 am

Based on voting, I'd put Jacob as additional scum, since he didn't vote AFB after a cop guilty, but voted Sangres as soon as Sangres claimed, without even the Ceph counterclaim taking place first.

PeregrineV · Post Post #2745 (ISO) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:42 am

In post 2743, Guyett wrote:how do you know there is even a town doc? we're already overloaded with PR's....

There may or may not be a town doc, who may or may not protect the claimed cop, the claimed vig, or the the claimed gunsmith, or someone else entirely.

Know what I mean?

ISO · Post Post #2746 (ISO) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:51 am

My only argument for lynching sangres over AFB is that sangres could be a roleblocker, and AFB can't be. Also, if AFB is town, TIP survives the night.

PeregrineV · Post Post #2747 (ISO) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:07 pm

In post 2746, Cephrir wrote:My only argument for lynching sangres over AFB is that sangres could be a roleblocker, and AFB can't be. Also, if AFB is town, TIP survives the night.

I would think that scum-PR sangres woulnd't do the vig claim, because a counterclaim would mean his death. He could have avoided the thread until day4 in order to coordinate a "better" fakeclaim.

But for that, I see your concern.

Does this mean you do NOT think Radiant is the cop?

ISO · Post Post #2748 (ISO) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:31 pm

I think RC is probably real, but acknowledge a remote chance he's not.

ISO · Post Post #2749 (ISO) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:31 pm

In post 2747, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 2746, Cephrir wrote:My only argument for lynching sangres over AFB is that sangres could be a roleblocker, and AFB can't be. Also, if AFB is town, TIP survives the night.
I would think that scum-PR sangres woulnd't do the vig claim, because a counterclaim would mean his death. He could have avoided the thread until day4 in order to coordinate a "better" fakeclaim.

But for that, I see your concern.

Does this mean you do NOT think Radiant is the cop?

I mean, with the gun found on them, I don't think they could have done much else. No one was going to believe a cop claim from them.