Mini 1525: Tales of The Abyss Mafia GAME OVER!

[Yulia Jue]

Vote Count 1.09

TEAR: Luke, can't you walk a little slower? Mieu can't keep up.

LUKE: Humph! Why do we have to slow down for that thing?

MIEU: *Huff* *huff* Don't worry, *huff* Tear. *huff* I'm okay. *huff*

LUKE: See? Even he says he's fine!

TEAR: Why do you have to be so mean? Can't you treat Mieu like one of us?

LUKE: One of us?! He's the most annoying thing I've ever seen!

MIEU: Oh, please don't fight!

LUKE: Shut up already! It's your fault in the first place for burning up the
ligers' home! If you hadn't done that, the liger queen could've hatched
her eggs without bothering anybody, and everything would've been fine!
You got that? Huh?!

MIEU: Mieu...

ION: Now, now...I'm sure Mieu understands the gravity of what he's done.

TEAR: You could stand to be a bit more mature, Luke.

LUKE: ...Yeah, yeah.

JADE: Well, now that that's cleared up, shall we be going?

LUKE: Little son of a....

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch or no lynch.

Minami no Hana (4): Nachomamma8, Tammy, MafiaSSK, THe Rufflig (L-3)

mykonian (2): Mac, Kazekirimaru (L-5)
The Rufflig (2): Minami no Hana, ProHawk (L-5)
Nachomamma8 (1): pitoli, (L-6)
MafiaSSK (1): orcinus_theoriginal (L-6)
TheFuzzylogic99 (1): mykonian (L-6)

Not Voting (2): Deacon Blues TheFuzzylogic99

Time Pool Left: 400 Hours
Absolute deadline falls on Wednesday, December 18th, at 4PM GMT -7.

This is in (expired on 2013-12-18 16:00:00)

[ProHawk]

players with meta experience with each other

This doesn't work. It just doesn't work dude.

Recall - "I have never once gotten Ffery's alignment wrong in a game because I know her so well" Said Nacho in the game where he had her alignment wrong and screwed over the town from the grave.

[Nachomamma8]

Pride before the fall.

[Nachomamma8]

One instance also doesn't disprove an entire school of thought, hawkie.

[Minami no Hana]

So Nacho invites a lady to the dance floor and then leaves her hanging, i'm hurt

[Nachomamma8]

Thinking about it he hasn't talked with me about anything game related, hasn't let me in on any reads or anything and now i'm here while he's on V/LA (and im supposed to be V/LA too but taking the chance that my boss is around).

Non rufflig thoughts:
orc/kaze are town because i doubt scum would've made a confirmable fakeclaim like that, specially the "mod confirming kaze as town if orc is lynched"
Mara's AtE looked town, so im not buying Kaze's meta case on myko
Mac gut town
fuzzylogic is in the "dunno" realm, my read on him has been jumping up and down all day, the scum slips thingy seems decent but i trust my gut read on Rufflig more in this case.
You were town, but i dont like your reasoning on your push on me when you have knowledge of how i act in hydra (which is usually rely a lot on my other head and bounce reads off them, the issue here is that GiF doesnt talk at all so I have to guess :<)
SSK is... idk how to read him at all.
ffery/bork seem way to aggresive for what I remember of ffery or bork (tho the one game i played with bork was a long time ago)
prohawk is another gut scum read.

PEd: JEEZ IM TYPING

What scum slips thingy?
What's wrong with my push on you? The thing that differs in your individual to hydra play is your inactivity, which is not something I'm attacking you for.

I must admit you're looking town again though =\

[Nachomamma8]

So Nacho invites a lady to the dance floor and then leaves her hanging, i'm hurt

I get bored when you take too long to put your shoes on,

[Minami no Hana]

What scum slips thingy?

Lazy answer: Have you been reading the game?
Regular answer: fuzzy's ISO points some (or one? idr), fthen fuzzy's asked whether english is his first language, to which he replied that it is.

Things like:

this is how I play even my town game.

That look like he subconsciously knew this wasn't his town game. Then:

Sometimes my brain goes faster than my hands so I don't always type the exact way I am thinking

To which implies that what he typed came from his subconscious.

Not sure tho, since everytime i see some go "ZOMG SCUMSLIP" it turns out the target's not scum.

[ProHawk]

One instance also doesn't disprove an entire school of thought, hawkie.

Actually, it does only take one instance to prove a school of absolute thought wrong. Something can't be true when its not...

But its beside the point, saying that Rufflig is a weak lynch because I/we/he don't have game experience together is not true in the least. I could fight against the majority and push for your lynch, but I actually think he has a greater chance of flipping scum than you do at this point, and it wouldn't get me anywhere to tunnel on you all day long when I don't see many others wanting to lynch you at this point.

[Minami no Hana]

Actually, it does only take one instance to prove a school of absolute thought wrong. Something can't be true when its not...

Actually this works also in math and logic.

If y is always x.

It just case one case of y not being x to prove it wrong.

[Nachomamma8]

No, Rufflig is an easy lynch because he doesn't have meta experience with anyone else.

[Minami no Hana]

No, Rufflig is an easy lynch because he doesn't have meta experience with anyone else.

Technically me, you and Tammy played with him on Stack the Deck of power tho.

[ProHawk]

Now you are going to have to explain that to me in more detail because I don't see how that makes him an easy lynch over just making it so he can't rely on that for scum-hunting?

[Nachomamma8]

No, Rufflig is an easy lynch because he doesn't have meta experience with anyone else.

Technically me, you and Tammy played with him on Stack the Deck of power tho.

Anything to the other questions?

[Nachomamma8]

Now you are going to have to explain that to me in more detail because I don't see how that makes him an easy lynch over just making it so he can't rely on that for scum-hunting?

Having meta experience with other people means that those people have a basic understanding with the way you play. When people have meta authority with one another, it means they will 1) be more reluctant to vote that person since people like scumhunting with those they are familiar with, and 2) will be more likely to see town tells when they are being lynched, and have the power to stop their lynch. When you are outside the circle, people don't see these townreads as easily and you get left more in an outsider position, and when POE starts coming into effect, the outsiders are usually the first to get lynched.

[Minami no Hana]

What's wrong with my push on you? The thing that differs in your individual to hydra play is your inactivity, which is not something I'm attacking you for.

You're attacking me because you believe that my jump from voting you to sheeping you was fake, but as far as i'm aware is something that

you should know

i do, you know, that thing about voting you until you give me something to sheep?
That's what's been bothering me.

[ProHawk]

Having meta experience with other people means that those people have a basic understanding with the way you play.

Isn't this the same thing I said?

[ProHawk]

but as far as i'm aware is something that you should know i do, you know, that thing about voting you until you give me something to sheep?

Trust tell. You should really just be your own person and quit with the white-wool-baaaaahing thing.

[Deacon Blues]

dead laptop means too many games to keep up with on small annoying devices. This game will have my love tomorrow.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I'm on a plane lol

[Mac]

Thinking about it he hasn't talked with me about anything game related, hasn't let me in on any reads or anything and now i'm here while he's on V/LA (and im supposed to be V/LA too but taking the chance that my boss is around).

Non rufflig thoughts:
orc/kaze are town because i doubt scum would've made a confirmable fakeclaim like that, specially the "mod confirming kaze as town if orc is lynched"
Mara's AtE looked town, so im not buying Kaze's meta case on myko
Mac gut town
fuzzylogic is in the "dunno" realm, my read on him has been jumping up and down all day, the scum slips thingy seems decent but i trust my gut read on Rufflig more in this case.
You were town, but i dont like your reasoning on your push on me when you have knowledge of how i act in hydra (which is usually rely a lot on my other head and bounce reads off them, the issue here is that GiF doesnt talk at all so I have to guess :<)
SSK is... idk how to read him at all.
ffery/bork seem way to aggresive for what I remember of ffery or bork (tho the one game i played with bork was a long time ago)
prohawk is another gut scum read.

PEd: JEEZ IM TYPING

What scum slips thingy?
What's wrong with my push on you? The thing that differs in your individual to hydra play is your inactivity, which is not something I'm attacking you for.

I must admit you're looking town again though =\

if you think this why are you still voting them?

this game is stallin and we need a lynch. myko, SSK or pitoli for me. can we agree on someone?

[TheFuzzylogic99]

@ mac
Not sure if this is what you mean but we need a good lynch. Just lynching someone bc we are running out of time is a bad lynch in my opinion. I really want a scum lynch. The second best would be a info lynch. This would way down the option scale however/. Getting a scum lynch would be like getting to eat a juicy steak with all the extras where an info lynch would be like eating a peanut butter sandwich.

Myko
I am still borderline on him. I can agree with some of the things Kaze has said about him. I think that Kaze's point about Myko reactions to his meta dig has some merit. Still there a little nagging feeling that he could be town.

Mafia
I nailed Mafia as scum earlier. I honestly forgotten why.... I have a memory like a hamster. I need to go back and see why I I thought Mafia was scum

Pit
Mac made some interesting points about Pit. I will def consider him as a possible candidate

curious how everyone else feels about possible wagon candidates. I think we have a little more time. I do not see any reason to rush. I would rather get it right than to rush. If we don't have a good wagon in two days that i think we should begin to panic

[pitoli]

you're making me want to lynch you again.

[mykonian]

do people want me to explain once more why fuzzy is scum, now using the last post? aaaaaaaah

I don't think I'll do that.

Playing against my win condition and all that jazz.

Do you think I'm scum, Myko?

can't rule it out. And I'm getting a rather impressive list of people where I have a decent reason they should be town. Think I had you there, but I don't know what you want with #1039, and #1072 is just plain awful. People who ask where their vote should be can selfvote all the time and I think that would mean we'd lynch more scum.

players with meta experience with each other

This doesn't work. It just doesn't work dude.

Recall - "I have never once gotten Ffery's alignment wrong in a game because I know her so well" Said Nacho in the game where he had her alignment wrong and screwed over the town from the grave.

Not fair to expect 100% accuracy.

this game is stallin and we need a lynch. myko, SSK or pitoli for me. can we agree on someone?

those three? eeeeeh, idk.

[TheFuzzylogic99]

why bc I said you could be lynch candidate... I hope you have a good reason.

Anyways Mac is one of the few players I am sure is town. The only real question is whether his reads are good or not.