Open 538: Diffusion of Power (Game Over)

[Tammy]

Is there any reason why we are not lynching bb? Lynch all liars is a staple of this site, no? It seems like he has made himself unlynchable to an extent as his 'gambit' was always destined not to work if he was scum.

No, that's stupid.

What do you think of BB's play overall?

[Tammy]

holy shit tammy agrees with me on something...

Mountains move sometimes?

But seriously, the only completed game we have is the Mario game where I tried to stop you from doing nka when there was a VIG in the setup, both to keep from outing the VIG (who was me and I made that obvious in the argument >_>) and because you were attributing a scum kill to my VIG kill, so it was always going to give you flawed analysis.

[Tammy]

Okay caught up. There are a couple things I want to look back at then I'll give some thoughts at some point.

[Cheery Dog]

Looks like I need to reverse my last vote change.

UNVOTE: VOTE: dbk

Can't tell anything new with activity levels due to it being the holiday season, but I'd rather this lynch than zebe, whom I'm more confident in probably being town.

[Does Bo Know]

Question: why do you think Zebe is town specifically?

[Tammy]

Okay this might be broken up in a couple parts because I'm in the middle of a few things. (Happy almost New Years!)

Cheery Dog - I still think this a good wagon. The last few pages look okay, but Cheery have we played in a game together since Mafiastuck? In Mafiastuck cherry looked really scummy to a lot of people, but I think I remember getting it right he was town? That's not definite cuz I was a hydra that when MIA in the midst of that game for a while, but I just skimmed his iso in that game and I could see where he was actually town that just looked scummy. Here he looks really scummy and what's weird is that it's only in like the past several pages where he starts making sense. Like the first 20 pages of his posts sounds like he deliberately wrote his posts in another language and then did google translate and posted that result. I have no idea what he's saying for a lot of the game and I'm sorry but autocorrect doesn't make it that way.

Anyway could still lynch there because he looks scummy as hell and i don't have a clue about his alignment would actually be because his posting just sucks. Also, he never ever answered why he would also be game to lynch keybladewielder and aptil at the beginning of the game. Bo asked if it was policy and unless I'm high, Cheery never bothered answering that question. It makes me really really concerned that at least one of those two is scum with him and he was going for some early game weird distancing. (keybladwielder I get; I don't know of a game where he wasn't a complete drain on the game, but still).

I still think that Bo is town and that is mostly due to his reaction to Wake. Like I could totally see Bo thinking that Wake's push against him was scum motivated (and a pre-emptive fuck off to anyone calling Amish; I read Wake's iso before I replaced in and read him as town) because his posts and push were fucking odd. Anyway the whole way that Bo responds to Wake and his mounting suspicion sounds like someone who is town who thinks the read on him is coming from a scum perspective, which reads town to me.

ETL might be town. The "you're buddying me" thing isn't town really. Scum question town reads on themselves sometimes. That's not a town thing at all. HOWEVER, her coming back and addressing Bo's statement that he gets accused of buddying often with a "you've only been mislynched 4 times and it was due to this..." has a gotcha! feel to it where she looks like she thought Bo was bsing his statement but it wasn't backed up.

BB might also be town. Mostly this is due to his gambit at the beginning of hte game. I mean it was obvious fakeness, but BB tends to due that. I'm not sure if he does that as scum though :/ Regardless, for the most part the rest of his play has a lack of fakeness which I associate with BB!scum usually. And on that regard Aptil might also be town. Branthel, BB and I recently played a game at Westeros where BB was pretty involved and the two of us worked together pretty well day one and two before I died, so I can see Aptil calling him a good player who wasn't scum hunting there so he might be town. What Aptil might not know is that BB's play tends to be a little different here to there. Westeros runs on a faster cycle, and BB tends to be a lazy player who bursts. BB also knows how to fake scum hunt pretty well, so him "not scumhunting" really isn't a scum tell for him. I have a few markers for scum BB, and he hasn't tripped any so far. That I remember anyway. So they're both probstown.

Okay more later.

[Cheery Dog]

Question: why do you think Zebe is town specifically?

Probably using some form of reverse psychology, in that since I don't actually understand why people are finding him scummy, it must be a setup by actual scum.

[Cheery Dog]

@Tammy, that's the only game I can find of us playing together, and I think my wiki is up to date prior to this game. (I'm fairly sure the one I replaced into after you had died doesn't count)

[Zebe]

I've been sick since Christmas, if you've been wondering what's up with my inactivity. I've been trying to gather my thoughts for my catch-up/readlist post, I hope I can post something worthwhile before deadline.

[Zebe]

Also, could someone tell why do people read me as scum. I don't know when that's been explained, I don't bother to seek it.

[Smudger]

I'm starting to feel worse about Lucky tbh

swing swing swing....

How does this make him scum?

did you read what I have said about it prior to this....

[Does Bo Know]

Well crap I highly doubt I'll be awake before 8am tomorrow.

[BoroPhil]

Tbh zebe if you cant be arsed to read back a couple of pages that is a good enough reason on its own for being scum.

[anorway]

Deadline: (expired on 2014-01-02 16:00:00)

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Vote Count 1.12

[L-7] Lucky2u
[L-7] DoctorPepper
[L-7] Kalimar
[L-7] Mr_Blonde
[L-7] Tammy
[L-7] Smudger
[L-7] EspeciallyTheLies
[L-7] BoroPhil
[L-7] aptil
[L-6]

BBmolla

aptil
[L-4]

Zebe

: BBmolla, Does Bo Know, BoroPhil

[L-3]

Does Bo Know

: Zebe, DoctorPepper, Smudger, Cheery Dog
[L-3]

Cheery Dog

: EspeciallyTheLies, Mr_Blonde, Lucky2u, Kalimar

Not voting (1): Tammy

[Zebe]

Magical Catch-up Readlist

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Post Time Part 1:

Lucky2u

He's bizarre. 97-113: There is some kind of dispute/debate with ETL, I don't find it alignment indicative, just distracting. It's the main reason I didn't really know how to place him to my first read list back there. However, during my re-reads I spotted 128 which in my opinion is a really townish response to Gam's post/vote.
361 and 541 seem really just wagon-jumping, but not

necessarily

scummy. I'm not certain of his recent activity, but Christmas time though. I can understand.
So, lucky is a

town

read for me. I see a town viewpoint in his posts.

DoctorPepper

I don't have much to say about him. 546. His choice of scum trio is interesting. DP, Why do you think I and DBK are both scums? Also, you call Cheery case misguided. What makes you think so?
DP is

null

right now.

Kalimar

I don't have anything to say about his early Wake wagon joining. Just pressure according to him. I have no reason to believe otherwise.
417 is the only worthwhile post from him. 585 feels like he's springing up from a random lurker hole. Both of these facts make Kalimar look scummy.
However, 417 does have a certain townie feel in it. Logic is sound, I do agree with most it. In other hand, there's so little content. No mention of Lucky, DBK or ETL.
Kalimar is

null-ish

, there is that slight contradictory.

Mr_Blonde

His current vote on Cheery is legitimate in my opinion. I kinda like his stance on aptil. I don't have much to say, he looks pretty much

town

to me.

Tammy (Wake88)

I saw 42 as a normal Wake-town-ish response to BB's gambit and the wagon. I don't want to concentrate to his posts here too much, because there is SO much content. It does make reading him hard, but reading Wake seems to be hard very often. Annihilator beam was ok, it's his method of scumhunting. I liked reads after 350, though I did see some tunnelling there tbh. He was

town

for me. There is not much to say about Tammy, but I do agree on some of her reads.

I'll post more, we'll see if that happens before deadline.

On a completely unrelated note, happy 2014!

[BoroPhil]

Is there any reason why we are not lynching bb? Lynch all liars is a staple of this site, no? It seems like he has made himself unlynchable to an extent as his 'gambit' was always destined not to work if he was scum.

No, that's stupid.

What do you think of BB's play overall?

I'm not too fussed on it. I quite like Aptil's vote at 508, and BB's attack on Kalmar at 511 is horrible.

[BoroPhil]

Just realised BB is actually on Zebe which conflicts me somewhat. I do not want a nolynch here, I've just finished a game where we did that and it was truly pathetic.

I think I'd still prefer Zebe but if it's going to be a DBK/Cheery faceoff it has to be Cheery, more because I think DBK is town than Cheery is scum.

I am wary of myself over-compensating for my previous game with DBK and trying to see too much good in him this time round.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: cheery

[Tammy]

I'm starting to feel worse about Lucky tbh

swing swing swing....

How does this make him scum?

did you read what I have said about it prior to this....

I did. I'm wondering how any of that makes him scum.

[Zebe]

16 hours left until deadline. Where are you people?

Tbh zebe if you cant be arsed to read back a couple of pages that is a good enough reason on its own for being scum.

I don't really find anything that would be considered as a scumread back there, unless you mean you calling my posts rubbish. I feel there was something, but I can't find it.
Also there is DBK's accusation of me being opportunistic with my votes, which is hypocritical considering him being a weather vane lately.

I'm trying to get my reads done before deadline. brb.

[BoroPhil]

Bep Boop.

I've read the thread few times now, but I (still) need time to think. I don't have solid reads yet, but DBK, Wake, ETL and maybe BB are leaning town at the moment. Rest are null, scummy or nothing. Anyone can ask questions and whatnot.

VOTE: Kalimar

Let's see what happens.

Well this is like, er don't know, don't want to be committal, hmm some people might be a bit town. others are scummy but I'm not going to say who they are. and then I'm going to vote Kalimar for not apparent reason?

just rubbish basically.

[BoroPhil]

"no apparent reason"

[Tammy]

Actually BB might be scum.

[BoroPhil]

I apologise my inactivity, I've been rereading / trying to figure out some things.

UNVOTE:
I don't bother to wait. Kalimar said he'll come back tomorrow (What day is that for me, I dunno). I'm

not

forgetting that.

I've changed my opinions about my town reads I mentioned back there. I'm pretty sure there is at least one scum among DBK, Wake, ETL and BB. Which I believe not to be BB.
DBK, I can't really figure out your reads, except for ETL town read and null Wake.

VOTE: DoesBoKnow

It does feel like you're creating argumentation between you and Wake in pages 8-10. It simply was 1vs1 and when there was no real result presented, I don't find it being Town vs Town. Just few pages of fluffy stuff about Wake's playstyle. Also, I don't get why you're so eager to sheep ETL, even if you have a town read on her.

On another note, I hope KBW is getting replaced. I will also answer some questions that were asked during my absence in a moment.

and now the Kalimar vote is gone. you say you've changed your opinions, but why? why is there one (and not two, three, none) amongst them?

and BB is cleared in the next sentence, again for no real reason?

[BoroPhil]

Actually BB might be scum.

I am totally up for a BB wagon.

[Does Bo Know]

- Zebe's vote on Kalimar doesn't look useful when he could've voted someone scummier to him (Gam)
- Zebe's vote on me seemed to have too many reasons, which is a scumtell because it looks like he's trying too hard to justify his vote when everyone else on my wagon simply voted for my buddying of ETL.