Touhou: Mafia in the Land of Fantasy (Game Over)

[Varsoon]

Fun Fact: No one buys pizza like Varsoon, no one gets mislynched like Varsoon, for there's no man in town half as manly! Perfect, a pure paragon!

[Tsukasa]

But... Guys... Varsoon is town

What dafuq is happening?

[Tsukasa]

So is gaiden

[Tsukasa]

Dram and bubba are scum though

[SXTLHGaiden]

Ok, since I cannot nest spoiler tags, i will just put links to the posts.
(I really should be sleeping. honestly, i just spent a few hours on this and i need to be awake in the morning.)
tl;dr VOTE: bubba

Spoiler: Vote activity

First let us look at his nice "summary post 750". He further elaborates on this with a "town scale 785".
Now, let us look through the summary post. A quick view will note that he never actually mentions who he thinks is scum. Only people who he believes are town. Yet, when he has his list, we can see player who he has clearly labeled as scum. A particularly fun thing to note is how in the post, it is implied that he "dislikes" mac's posts, yet in the town scale post, mac near the top of the "town" part. With some investigating, all I can see that would change his mind is when mac told him that one of the quoted posts was a "joke."

The point I'm getting at is that the entire thing was extremely non-committal aside from all the town reads, and yet, he has a very clear view on who is scum as we can see in post 786.
Actually, upon rereading some of them, they do seem consistent. The Varsoon read still feels off since he doesn't have much on him in the summary post.

Now then, we now see that his first actual vote occurs on post 1092. The reasoning was something like "since the only wagons right now are varsoon and bubba". He defends the vote with "varsoon was one of my scum reads anyway" (things in quote are not exact quotes). I'm pretty sure someone mentioned that he voted the varsoon counter wagon when faced with his own wagon. It seemed to me like a self-preservation vote more than anything else. He unvotes immediately after the claim though. I would think that if he really had a scum read on varsoon, the claim wouldn't quell it that fast. I could be wrong though.

His next vote is the infamous "crumb post 1201". Here he votes Kat with the reasoning "You saw my early bomb crumb and said i looked scummy". This to me seems really like grasping at straws.

Vote lasts all of 69 posts where he then decided to vote Kaze in post 1271. The reasoning here is "he is inquiring what '1-shot bomb' means when GCBC said not to!"

Ah hah, found it in post 1299. Where tsukasa points out how bubba attempted to redirect to the opposing wagon. I'm so happy my memory still works.

Moving on, next vote is in post 1309 where he votes tsukasa. Honestly, I can't find a reason he voted her. He just labels her as scum and moves on. Then again, this is still consistent with the "read list" posted in 785, but still.

His next vote is in post 1352 on varsoon in order to get varsoon to "reveal" his already claimed character name. I find this odd since it was implied he had read the claim post with all the claim information. Still feels like vote reason fishing though. He unvote really quickly though saying "I can't believe i missed it."

Next vote is on Gaiden in post 1801 where he votes for the reason "I call bullshit that you can't scumhunt!" Honestly, this seems more valid to me that some of the other reasons he had voted.

That is it for his votes, but we then have in post 1872 where he introduces the idea of voting Kaze in response to kaze claiming that he was "not leaving this game through a lynch." And here is where i said that it looks like he was fishing for a vote reason. He later quotes my claim saying that I am not scum hunting. I can only assume this is an attempt to discredit my claim. Luckily for me, two other people noticed the post.

Point is, I don't like the vote activity. His vote reasoning is thin in most cases and as the day presses on, it looks like he is trying to find a "socially acceptable" vote reason to avoid suspicion.
Anyway, I've heard this vocaloid playlist loop twice now. I'll answer any other things tomorrow.

@ kat: that nested posts thing was made about mid way through the creation of this post along where i had to do too much re-reading of the thread. On the plus side, i think I have most of the thread in memory. Down side, this was too much information to take in this amount of time. i'll do my response to my wagon tomorrow, but i can summarize it as such: vote the useless lurker. not a bad reason for a wagon i think.

[Tsukasa]

Told you gaiden is town

[Tsukasa]

And finally more bubba votes

VOTE: bubba

Hopefully the wagon doesn't die down anymore

[Kazekirimaru]

I asked for content, Gaiden. Not a summary. <3

[Katarina LeBlanc]

Kaze changed his avatar back. This must be a sign.

[Kazekirimaru]

Six(!) people told me they liked this one better.

[Katarina LeBlanc]

Make it seven!

God I'm useless this game.

[Kazekirimaru]

You could react to Gaiden's latest post. You know, since he did a thing. And you're on his wagon.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Fun Fact: No one buys pizza like Varsoon, no one gets mislynched like Varsoon, for there's no man in town half as manly! Perfect, a pure paragon!

This post, while having a vote on yourself says two different things...

VOTE: Varsoon

~GC

[Kagami]

I hope you caught the beauty and the beast reference there, gcbc

[zMuffinMan]

town varsoon is whiny and needy and convinced there are seekrit friend societies everywhere that are designed to exclude him. <---- I am seeing none of that here. this to me looks like his cocky, confident scumplay cos varsoon loves playing scum and he is pretty good at it.

that's like... totally opposite how i'd describe varsoon's play as either alignment, but varsoon's play lately has been different, anyway. the vibes i'm getting from varsoon this game are a lot more in line with what i've seen from varsoon-town lately, and i really don't think he's scum here. like i'd almost be willing to bet money on this read - he's either playing an out-of-his-mind scum game hitting all the cues i expect from town-varsoon or he's town here.

I am looking at this and I can tell already I want muffina and kagami dead dead deader than dead

*shrug* i think i know why you think this, but you're way off on me. this game is somewhat annoying for me at the moment because basically all my reads are being ignored and people are pushing shit wagons. it would not surprise me in the least if all the major wagons being pushed at the moment are town. and the shittest part is i'm pretty sure whatever i say is just going to be ignored or drowned out here. you guys seem so stuck in your reads that you're not going to change your minds, jaqen has his own little thing going, GCBC and varsoon have this shitty death tunnel thing going on. i feel like shit because i don't really know what to say at this point to change things.

[Kagami]

Who are you pushing and why? Last I recall was a weak scumread on tsukasa

[zMuffinMan]

yeah, i don't like much about tsukasa's posting at all. only point in tsukasa's favour is she's not jumping all over gaiden at the moment.

at this point, i'll lynch anyone in {Kise, saki, AD, dram, tsukasa, serene, the cok} today

[Lush Life]

Mollie, we can dance. I would like to get to know you better as well, since you know my bro IRL and we will probably be playing in a lit of the same games. I should be on tomorrow for a good period of time.

On to game related stuff, if GCBC did crumb stump what is the town motivation to talk about it? I know that question has been asked already, but unless I missed it the question has not been answered.

This group seems to exhibit a lot of etiquette faux pas that really rustle my jimmie. Stomping all over peoples investigations, sticking their noses in places they don't belong, outing information that if noticed they should have just shut the fuck about.

Trying to set up a time to catch up with Desp since we have mostly been working solo in this game so far.

welp let me know what you want to talk about!

what do you think of this point brought up muffina?

*shrug* i think i know why you think this, but you're way off on me. this game is somewhat annoying for me at the moment because basically all my reads are being ignored and people are pushing shit wagons. it would not surprise me in the least if all the major wagons being pushed at the moment are town. and the shittest part is i'm pretty sure whatever i say is just going to be ignored or drowned out here. you guys seem so stuck in your reads that you're not going to change your minds, jaqen has his own little thing going, GCBC and varsoon have this shitty death tunnel thing going on. i feel like shit because i don't really know what to say at this point to change things.

@ muffina

that's like... totally opposite how i'd describe varsoon's play as either alignment, but varsoon's play lately has been different, anyway. the vibes i'm getting from varsoon this game are a lot more in line with what i've seen from varsoon-town lately, and i really don't think he's scum here. like i'd almost be willing to bet money on this read - he's either playing an out-of-his-mind scum game hitting all the cues i expect from town-varsoon or he's town here.

huh. weird. I can think of 3 games off the top of my head where he complained that every1 else knew each other and he felt left out (paraphrasing). he even subbed out of reboot over it. so I am not sure where you are getting this from. the difference here and in his scum game is the activity level

[Lush Life]

yeah, i don't like much about tsukasa's posting at all. only point in tsukasa's favour is she's not jumping all over gaiden at the moment.

at this point, i'll lynch anyone in {Kise, saki, AD, dram, tsukasa, serene, the cok} today

this response is so full of meh. why kise? why not bubba?

[bubbajack8]

I've found some shit Varsoon's done scummy. But I've also found some stuff ridiculously town. I'm not getting on this one.

Kagami makes another useless post. Kagami comes back with a good post, and good idea COUNTERWAGON HO.

I would accept gaiden as an agreeable counterwagon unless he steps it the fuck up in the next 24 hours. I'd also accept serene (just to see kuribo yell) and Kise. Forming updated reads lists and answering mollie's posts.

Down with this or Kise after his comment.

Wait. Kise claims GC_BC crumbed stump. Like I can't get out of this. Why in the actual fuck would you say anything like that, why are you looking for crumbs?

VOTE: Kise

Uh oh he's having a hissy fit. I hope I didn't make his crumb look more pointless than it already was. Now he'll never send me an e-card for my birthday.

If it was pointless why the duck would you bring attention to it?

First let us look at his nice "summary post 750". He further elaborates on this with a "town scale 785".
Now, let us look through the summary post. A quick view will note that he never actually mentions who he thinks is scum. Only people who he believes are town. Yet, when he has his list, we can see player who he has clearly labeled as scum. A particularly fun thing to note is how in the post, it is implied that he "dislikes" mac's posts, yet in the town scale post, mac near the top of the "town" part. With some investigating, all I can see that would change his mind is when mac told him that one of the quoted posts was a "joke."

"implies I dislike Mac" I asked Mac some questions and said he had some hypocrisy, I never said or implied I disliked him. Misrep muh? 754 I talked to him a little. His responses obviously impacted the read. AND I said in the reads post "Mac and down begins the middle where I had no clue where to place people, I did my best." Misrep more.

The point I'm getting at is that the entire thing was extremely non-committal aside from all the town reads, and yet, he has a very clear view on who is scum as we can see in post 786.
Actually, upon rereading some of them, they do seem consistent. The Varsoon read still feels off since he doesn't have much on him in the summary post.

Wasn't much to go off of. Him searching himself pinged for me though. Pretty sure I already explained this as well. I also think he's town now.

Now then, we now see that his first actual vote occurs on post 1092. The reasoning was something like "since the only wagons right now are varsoon and bubba". He defends the vote with "varsoon was one of my scum reads anyway" (things in quote are not exact quotes). I'm pretty sure someone mentioned that he voted the varsoon counter wagon when faced with his own wagon. It seemed to me like a self-preservation vote more than anything else. He unvotes immediately after the claim though. I would think that if he really had a scum read on varsoon, the claim wouldn't quell it that fast. I could be wrong though.

I never even said anything of the sort wtf? "@Kaze: You realize me and Varsoon's wagons are about the same right? how is varsoon's not a counter. By the way. totally jumping on that train." Was what I said. Misrep me again. He was a small scumread due to the searching himself as I just explained. His clai made me unvote, as I'm not going to risk anything. He also provided answers to my questions when I was derping.

His next vote is the infamous "crumb post 1201". Here he votes Kat with the reasoning "You saw my early bomb crumb and said i looked scummy". This to me seems really like grasping at straws.

Vote lasts all of 69 posts where he then decided to vote Kaze in post 1271. The reasoning here is "he is inquiring what '1-shot bomb' means when GCBC said not to!"

Both things scum would do. If kat saw my crumb she would realize what I was, and say I was scummy. And I also provided in that post what my first three posts were, and that I didn't understand how that was scummy. Kaze was making inquiries that would not come from town.

Moving on, next vote is in post 1309 where he votes tsukasa. Honestly, I can't find a reason he voted her. He just labels her as scum and moves on. Then again,

this is still consistent with the "read list" posted in 785,

but still.

Bolded. This is a read that did not change. But yet I'm non-committal.

His next vote is in post 1352 on varsoon in order to get varsoon to "reveal" his already claimed character name. I find this odd since it was implied he had read the claim post with all the claim information. Still feels like vote reason fishing though. He unvote really quickly though saying "I can't believe i missed it."

He wouldn't answer my question. I legitimately missed it.

Next vote is on Gaiden in post 1801 where he votes for the reason "I call bullshit that you can't scumhunt!" Honestly, this seems more valid to me that some of the other reasons he had voted.

At least you're trying now. Even with all your mis-reps.

That is it for his votes, but we then have in post 1872 where he introduces the idea of voting Kaze in response to kaze claiming that he was "not leaving this game through a lynch." And here is where i said that it looks like he was fishing for a vote reason. He later quotes my claim saying that I am not scum hunting. I can only assume this is an attempt to discredit my claim. Luckily for me, two other people noticed the post.

My response was the fact that I was scum hunting, and you were not.

I'm glad you're trying now, but if you're going to attack me, get your facts straight and don't misrep me. Don't put words into my mouth. I'm glad you're at least being consistent now with you're "bubba's fishing for reasons" But really the early blantant mis-reps destroy that.

By the way.. what do you think of my Kise vote? Is that "socially acceptable" do you think my reason for it is okay? Or am I "fishing for a reason" to vote him?

Also if I'm fishing for a reason to vote people, why do I want those certain people dead? (Varsoon, Kaze)

@Lush: Why not Zoidberg?

[zMuffinMan]

huh. weird. I can think of 3 games off the top of my head where he complained that every1 else knew each other and he felt left out (paraphrasing). he even subbed out of reboot over it. so I am not sure where you are getting this from. the difference here and in his scum game is the activity level

i don't know what you're referring to here, but i'm pretty sure activity isn't an alignment-indicative thing for varsoon. his attitude and mannerisms in this game are a lot more in line with what i know of his town game.

this response is so full of meh.

*shrug* i'll compromise on pretty much anyone i don't have at least a weak town read on at this point.

why kise? why not bubba?

bubba is probably town. kise probably isn't.

[dramonic]

Did varsoon's little theatrics SERIOUSLY manage to derail the wagon?
Ridiculous

[Kise]

You buy bubba's crumb?

[dramonic]

You buy bubba's crumb?

Yes
It's so completely fucking stupid, I don't think he'd have been able to not claim scum if he actually was.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

I hope you caught the beauty and the beast reference there, gcbc

I don't care if he was singing freaking Mary Poppins, he is voting himself while simultaneously trying to tell people his lynch will be a mis-lynch. If that isn't cognitive-dissonance, I don't know what is.

~GC