Open 541 - Too Many Heads Mafia (Game Over)

[The Clubhouse]

I isod them too and it just makes me think they're scum more.

Let the record show this is not just a blatant sheep.

VOTE: Ansuz

I feel like an ass for being on the Athena wagon now.

~Quayle

P-edit: I am letting them claim on principle even though there isn't a claim in this setup that would make me back off... okay maybe that doesn't actually make sense.

[bazinga]

You have so little belief in your own reads. And you're worried about being perceived as a blatant sheep... Why would you feel bad about being on the Athena wagon?

[bazinga]

THANK YOU

THANK YOU CLUB

THIS IS THE RIGHTEOUS WAY

ROAST THAT FAT BIRD TOMORROW

TAMMY

BELIEVE

BELIEVE IN THE POWER OF THE AMAZONS

BRO

YOU ARE MISREADING THE SIGNALS

AP IS SCUM

[The Clubhouse]

Well, because now I feel like I was letting Nachoscum mess with my head.

Yes, the contradiction between my wanting to think for myself and always thinking I'm wrong is a struggle for me. Usually I just do my own thing and let myself be wrong, it feels better.

~Quayle

[bazinga]

Well, because now I feel like I was letting Nachoscum mess with my head.

Yes, the contradiction between my wanting to think for myself and always thinking I'm wrong is a struggle for me.

Usually I just do my own thing and let myself be wrong, it feels better.

~Quayle

walk me through this

cos I guess I am the type of person who has no problem sheeping some1 if I think they are on to something and I will sheep their reads until some1 flips town

is it a pride thing?

[165 Trolls]

Hang tight guys, talking to the mod, something of an issue came up.

Not posting anything else until then.

[Athenas Fury]

Alright, catching up like this has worked before for me, so I'll try it again here. I am still 25 pages behind but I would like to cordially invite Odin to eat a dick. Mostly Desp. for his town tell comment. Well I hope that you start seeing them because for the most I don't even know what they are. The only tell that I can actually think of is a scum one from asofai that we've already talked about. So while I am catching up on the thread still I am going to start posting in present day as well. I might throw some post quotes out there if they look really bad, like most of what PFR is putting out, and I might just start asking questions, like Club could you please explain a little more of your impression of me from your experience?

I feel bad leaving my partner alone for this long, she has filled our qt with how stressed out she feels with school. So if anyone wants to sign up for our dance card let me know, the line starts here.

[The Clubhouse]

Well, because now I feel like I was letting Nachoscum mess with my head.

Yes, the contradiction between my wanting to think for myself and always thinking I'm wrong is a struggle for me.

Usually I just do my own thing and let myself be wrong, it feels better.

~Quayle

walk me through this

cos I guess I am the type of person who has no problem sheeping some1 if I think they are on to something and I will sheep their reads until some1 flips town

is it a pride thing?

Pretty much. If I sheeped when I didn't feel confident about my reads, I would sheep most of the time, and at that point what's the point of playing mafia. Also, my theory is that I'll get better by being wrong and figuring out why, though I don't know if that's holding up in practice.

Alright, catching up like this has worked before for me, so I'll try it again here. I am still 25 pages behind but I would like to cordially invite Odin to eat a dick. Mostly Desp. for his town tell comment. Well I hope that you start seeing them because for the most I don't even know what they are. The only tell that I can actually think of is a scum one from asofai that we've already talked about. So while I am catching up on the thread still I am going to start posting in present day as well. I might throw some post quotes out there if they look really bad, like most of what PFR is putting out, and I might just start asking questions, like Club could you please explain a little more of your impression of me from your experience?

In short, in asoiaf, you were a great big ball of rage/generally really unpleasant. Every time I directed anything at your hydra I could count on one or both of you getting really pissy with me. I don't know how much of that was real and how much of it was intentional distancing, but it happened.

~Quayle

[bazinga]

TEAM AMAZON

1. pirate mollie - the fearless + bert - the bard

2. mala - first captain + rach marie - 2nd lieutenant

3. squirrel girl - chief coordinator, fashion designer, dancer extraordinairre

4. mac - chief navigator + varsoon - the helmsman

5. tammy - the expert chef who specialises in waffles + formerfish - the butcher

6. the clubhouse - cephrir is legion and many and also the vice president

FUCK YOU SCUM

TOWN WILL WIN THIS GAME

EVERY1 SAY YOU BELIEVE

[bazinga]

Well, because now I feel like I was letting Nachoscum mess with my head.

Yes, the contradiction between my wanting to think for myself and always thinking I'm wrong is a struggle for me.

Usually I just do my own thing and let myself be wrong, it feels better.

~Quayle

walk me through this

cos I guess I am the type of person who has no problem sheeping some1 if I think they are on to something and I will sheep their reads until some1 flips town

is it a pride thing?

Pretty much. If I sheeped when I didn't feel confident about my reads, I would sheep most of the time, and at that point what's the point of playing mafia. Also, my theory is that I'll get better by being wrong and figuring out why, though I don't know if that's holding up in practice.

and I get this. I really do. I learn far more from my mistakes than I do my successes. but my successes are based on what I have learned.

but opportunities do not come around often.

part of working with some1 is not blatantly sheeping them. it talking to them and discussing reads.

what made go full blown amazon league was actually rancid's reaction to my (oh they are all town post) and you helped with that. rancid made a leap onto you but rancid is not calling any1 scum but me and even that read he is hedging

he is scum. along with pfr

[bazinga]

* opportunities like this

[Athenas Fury]

@Club- it is hard to tell. We were trying to walk a very thin line that game, not being obvscum to avoid the rope and not being obvtown to avoid the nk we were susceptible to. Some of that rage was real but it was because you started in on us from the first thing we posted and you kinda nailed it. I do tend to get a little excitable and can unleash a mirad of vulgarities that are sewn together with a certain flair but I'm figuring out that when I do that as much as I have been people stop listening. I am trying to become better at building actual cases and showing my leg work, I just have a hard time getting started since I need a larger amount of data posted to draw from.

I do like the butcher nickname, feels like it fits.

[bazinga]

oh i forgot, bazinga is most likely town for scum hunting during the confirmation stage.

Mollie is virtually trust tell level of town atm.

I am going to be srsly upset if I get suspended for your offhand comment here

[bazinga]

bazinga-mollie, I'm inclined to consider the Athena Fury read worth pursuing, if only based on the number of people buying into it. If absolutely nothing else, it would give us a heck of a lot of information to work with.

What I'm not sure about is why you're seeing scum-Nacho-Ansuz by association. I follow what you're saying about things dovetailing oh-so-neatly into a Nacho-busses-Tammy scenario, but my problem is that this doesn't feel like scum-Nacho so far. I'll concede that you have way more experience reading him, but he seemed way more involved here than he's been as scum. Not waiting to see where the other players are moving to push wagons from behind. You said you might even make a case--something more that associative tells with unflipped players would be appreciated.

--PA

^^^scum-posting btw

nope

[Athenas Fury]

Mollie - what do you think of nacho's push for a speedlynch on me yesterday? I keep going back and forth. I mean on the one hand I can look at in thread evidence - I wasn't hear, so all his meta he pulled up was right because I wasn't reacting. the only problem is that I wasn't reacting, I couldn't, and had made it clear I was busy. Part of me thinks he took advantage of that in his push. I'm just having a problem right now believing that scum nacho would do that to me. Unless he just wanted to prove that I was lynchable so he could laugh about it.

[Athenas Fury]

bazinga-mollie, I'm inclined to consider the Athena Fury read worth pursuing, if only based on the number of people buying into it. If absolutely nothing else, it would give us a heck of a lot of information to work with.

What I'm not sure about is why you're seeing scum-Nacho-Ansuz by association. I follow what you're saying about things dovetailing oh-so-neatly into a Nacho-busses-Tammy scenario, but my problem is that this doesn't feel like scum-Nacho so far. I'll concede that you have way more experience reading him, but he seemed way more involved here than he's been as scum. Not waiting to see where the other players are moving to push wagons from behind. You said you might even make a case--something more that associative tells with unflipped players would be appreciated.

--PA

^^^scum-posting btw

nope

I'm having a self-centered evening and I hate the inclination to us being worth pursuing because a lot of people are.

[bazinga]

Mollie - what do you think of nacho's push for a speedlynch on me yesterday? I keep going back and forth. I mean on the one hand I can look at in thread evidence - I wasn't hear, so all his meta he pulled up was right because I wasn't reacting. the only problem is that I wasn't reacting, I couldn't, and had made it clear I was busy. Part of me thinks he took advantage of that in his push. I'm just having a problem right now believing that scum nacho would do that to me. Unless he just wanted to prove that I was lynchable so he could laugh about it.

I love you tammy.

he was okay with my sppedlynch too! ansuz wanted a speedlynch regardless of what town it was on. push on you early, ooportunistic leap onto me when he thought my wagon had legs while saying that he did not believe the vote and yet vote parking on it despite no1 else having an appetite except scummate rancid. they vote parked cos they did not know at that point in the game where to place their vote so they went back to you when people started raising suspicions.


@ M&M

I do better with questions. can you help me out?

[bazinga]

Tammy do you remember when Nacho said in Chosen that he usually only legit lists as scumreads people like you (Tammy) and Mastin when he wants to bring you to the grave?

Going after you so early makes no sense

[Athenas Fury]

No, but I remember in the cross site game that if he does something silly like let and obvtown-Vi or me get lynched day one when he's scum, he's basically confirmed scum and that's a trade he'll make any day.

The only thing that does make sense is him trying to reaction test me early, I guess because he did it in Tales of Abyss, but it's weird that he would use the same tell that proved wrong that he even admitted wasn't reliable as part of it here. what's worse is him saying that he was going to see what I would do when I got engaged and when I made it clear it wasn't going to be right away and then wasn't responding, he pushed for a lynch. That's the most bothersome because it doesn't make sense at all.

[Athenas Fury]

I have to work in a few hours so I'll read until I crash but note for myself 789 last post I definitely remember.

So far I have basing and clubhouse as town reads I feel really good about. Oh the stuffed crust hydra amuses me and might be town.

Everyone else is swimming around in a circle. I'll finish catching up tomorrow after work.

[bazinga]

tammy and people will get weird.

cos in their heads, the argument will be "it can't be that easy" and it isn't.

mhork's backing down from us scum with the reasons + flow of thoughts he gave was very natural and town centered. I honestly think those are 2 people you should work with.

most important skill a player can learn as town is to differentiate between town flail and scum flail. all 3 members of the scumteam are scum flailing like mad. your waffling is different from their hedging cos it is very evident that you did not have a plan. the early posts look like you are the uninformed majority.

and so do every1 else's.

the informed minority got comfy in their qt and the exchanges between rancid and ansuz reflects that. basically scum got cute thinking that no1 would catch on <---- their reactions clearly point to this hence why ansuz decided to town up the slot by posting a reads list full of hedge yet stating they had firm stances. they didn't.

all of the scum do not know what to do

sometimes the best plan as scum is to be so obvious that people doubt their better judgment; it is a very effective persuasive tactic and there will sadly be some town who will buy into it. <---- but I get this I really do cos I have done it too.

I have accidentally made slips giving away what was said on the scumboard, I think it is why I can spot it. the biggest tell is that rancid's and ansuz's convos looked like it was the continuation of an ongoing discussion. in legends of the hidden temple you can look at my earlier exchanges with ap and see how they were full of scumtitude cos we were exhibiting a familiarity with each other that was not evident in any prior games <---- scum day chat tell. I did it in legends and I think we majiffy and I both did it in reign of fire.

I personally think that scum daychat sometimes hinders more than it helps

scum will close ranks when needed and disperse when it serves them

informed minority vs uninformed majority

if you peel away the layers of wifom then you will spot the scum motivation of interacting with scummates looks way too natural to be part of an uninformed majority at this stage of the game with the reads that they have given.

flip 1 and the rest will come tumbling down as long as town does not wifom themselves to death. like bert was wondering if they had a neighborhood going on and I am like it is an open game. <---but I have done this too. ignore the evidence in front of me in favour of supporting earlier pet theories/reads.

this will not be easy despite it seemingly be otherwise. it is hard to convince other players to let go and step back and see a game holistically when 1 is used to only piecemailing it with individual reads. the individual reads will look/seem stronger if the read is targeting them or if a town player is playing counter to how they normally play.

it is scum's job to persuade town to go against their better judgment <--- dispersant of the town herd but what makes me sad is how little provocation it takes cos town does a good job of this on their own

eta tammy: it makes sense from a scumacho perspective

[The Clubhouse]

most important skill a player can learn as town is to differentiate between town flail and scum flail.

People keep telling me this. But I still don't get it.

I have accidentally made slips giving away what was said on the scumboard, I think it is why I can spot it. the biggest tell is that rancid's and ansuz's convos looked like it was the continuation of an ongoing discussion. in legends of the hidden temple you can look at my earlier exchanges with ap and see how they were full of scumtitude cos we were exhibiting a familiarity with each other that was not evident in any prior games <---- scum day chat tell. I did it in legends and I think we majiffy and I both did it in reign of fire.

If it's just familiarity, Nacho is pretty damn familiar with Nati, I understand. But the ongoing discussion thing would make sense. I don't know if I see it, but it makes sense.

~VP Quayle

[bazinga]

People keep telling me this. But I still don't get it.

the 2 look very similar on the surface and I think, it is why it is a hard skill to develope. and I am not even sure I can explain how differentiate between the 2. it does not have to do with familiarity of the player I think, mebbe feeling the same way in another game where you were either alignment?

If it's just familiarity, Nacho is pretty damn familiar with Nati, I understand. But the ongoing discussion thing would make sense. I don't know if I see it, but it makes sense.

~VP Quayle

nacho was talking to muffina not nasty rash. go read again with this in mind.

and I know scum don't currently have day chat but they did have a bit of talk at the beginning of the game.

[Paranoia Fueled Rampage]

If you believe in her this firmly, why are you such total shit at getting your hydra partners to come around?

Ive been doing most of the "cheeky" posts to her that you keep calling out. Im over it. Mollie can be V. embarrassed when I flip town then shut the fuck up and give me a vengelynch that I deserve. I tried talking to her about Aquirrel cause she might see something there. I tried talking to her about Generic. I tried talking to her about me. Mollie is being a complete fuck bag by completely ignoring me this game AND SIMULTANEOUSLY COMPLAINING ABOUT PEOPLE NOT WORKING WITH HER and she deserves all the snark I gave her.

She deserves all the complaints Guyett directed to her.

The end.

[The Clubhouse]

Well PFR, you sure did quote my question, but you missed the part where you answer it.

~VP Quayle