Open 541 - Too Many Heads Mafia (Game Over)

[Paranoia Fueled Rampage]

The pro's out way the cons here
~G

[Athenas Fury]

Also I fell asleep mechanically last night while reading. I'm hoping to finish getting caught up today.

[Athenas Fury]

The pro's out way the cons here
~G

They absolutely do not.

[Paranoia Fueled Rampage]

explain to me why its a bad idea?

[Athenas Fury]

explain to me why its a bad idea?

Are you fucking kidding me? Did you just start playing mafia yesterday? There's one role left. The other healer. When they claim, they die. No more healer. Like this isn't rocket science.

[Paranoia Fueled Rampage]

Yes but we have a conf town for today.
If we leave the mass claim until tomorrow scum will just counterclaim the FH and we're put in a awkward situation where the wrong decision loses the game for us. Its not rocket science.
~G

[Paranoia Fueled Rampage]

PFR can you explain your thought process irt the hammer you laid out of NacDes yesterday?

The fuck is this post. Mollie was blocking off 100% of conversation. Nacho was lurking and being scumread by virtually everybody. We asked him to claim and he didn't. He instead promised to be active and wasn't. After more mollie posts insisting that Nacho was scumscumscum, we got pissed off and decided to end the day.

The above ^ is INCREDIBLY obvious and you not realizing that is what happened and trying to pin this on us is scummy as fuck. Stuffed is just being dumb. But ya, we were fed up enough with mollie's bullshit that Guyett announced intent to hammer in our QT and I supported it.

[Tammy]

Yes but we have a conf town for today.
If we leave the mass claim until tomorrow scum will just counterclaim the FH and we're put in a awkward situation where the wrong decision loses the game for us. Its not rocket science.
~G

Or you leave the healer alone and he has the chance to heal?

[Tammy]

Oh my gods are you fuckign kidding me? At 3:44 he said "I haven't been around for three days, you'll wait for me to catch up." You hammered at 4:17. You tell me how that is not being active. How long do you think it takes to catch up and respond to three days worth of posts? 10 minutes?

[Athenas Fury]

Yes but we have a conf town for today.
If we leave the mass claim until tomorrow scum will just counterclaim the FH and we're put in a awkward situation where the wrong decision loses the game for us. Its not rocket science.
~G

Or you leave the healer alone and he has the chance to heal?

Oh my gods are you fuckign kidding me? At 3:44 he said "I haven't been around for three days, you'll wait for me to catch up." You hammered at 4:17. You tell me how that is not being active. How long do you think it takes to catch up and respond to three days worth of posts? 10 minutes?

I mechanically and guardedly agree in a rigid manner.

[Paranoia Fueled Rampage]

OK so the FH stops the kill... we're in MYLO. What next?
Mass claim is optimal play here... we get a conf town for today and increase our odd of hitting scum
~G

[Rancid Broderick Drake]

Aye it be fair weather for a massclaim!

[Paranoia Fueled Rampage]

besides the odds on the FH correctly blocking the night kill is quite slim.. firstly they have to correctly guess who scum will target and then there's a 50-50 chance their save will work.
So odds are we'd end in LYLO anyway
~G

[Paranoia Fueled Rampage]

Paranoia Filled Rampage, can you explain the Generically Purple scum read more?

1. Generic felt very strongly that Nacho and Mollie were both town, but did nothing to stop mollie from being lynching Nacho. This is made worse by the fact that she was interacting with mollie fairly exclusively for a while. Mollie kept insisting that Nacho was scum and shoving him and we get this post. Despite thinking Nacho (a lurker) is townier than all the rage I am throwing around the thread, she only makes token efforts to stop mollie from getting Nacho mislynched.

2. In the whole Us v Mollie debacle, we also only get an extremely shallow acknowledgement of the situation from Generically Purple. I just linked it. Once again, despite talking mostly to mollie (AND KNOWING ME FAIRLY WELL), the only effort Generically Purple makes towards resolving the PFR v Mollie debacle is to make a single sentence addendum to one post about us looking townish. There was no talking to me about it (once again, I suspect Mara would do this as town) and no attempt to dissuade mollie from misreading us other than to casually suggest we are townish offhandedly.

3. They are trying to appease people. The stance they took in Us V Mollie both buddies us (by calling our rage town) and also Mollie (by playing the whole victim card). Everything Purple is saying at the end is to get mollie on their side and its pretty apparent that they are trying (successfully) to get mollie to think they they are being deceived by the scumteam.

4. Their response to me snap-voting them for no reason felt off. Instead of being suspicious of this out-of-the-blue vote, they are overly blaze about it which comes off weird. I dislike that their initial response isn't to question it at all, but to cast it off like they don't care.

Purple is scum.

Athena deserves death for faking scumhunting us about the Nacho hammer (it was incredibly obvious why we did it, whether or not you believe or rage was genuine is another matter). Also the progression of their Nacho read was a whole lot of bullshit ESPECIALLY seeing as how Tammy tried to get guilt-trip points by talking about how she has to deal with unsupported pressured frequently and is making an effort to ignore it.

[Rancid Broderick Drake]

It not be wise to put faith in charlatans to protect from death.

[Paranoia Fueled Rampage]

(I personally dont give a shit about massclaiming at this point, but Im Benmage levels of self-confidence so I dont really care what we do so long as we lynch down my scumlists )

[Paranoia Fueled Rampage]

DrippingGoofball here with an important PSA!

Tammy is scum, lynch lynch lynch!

Accept no alternatives, string her up now!

Her posts about nacho were fake, and how!

[Mhork and Mindy]

Hi. I'm not convinced that outing the faith healer is the best play right. Odds are that he'll be snap counter claimed or have to counterclaim a scum either way. I think that we'd best lynch now and claim later. I also think we shouldn't discuss the issue too much more because it helps scum narrow their pool.

As for my thoughts on the game, it's a clusterfuck. Other than that, I like PFR. Hammer aside, the aggression towards bazinga reads super obviously town to me. Especially the whole 'don't /in games with me.' I don't see scum saying that, especially when it's because that player has awful reads and is a distraction to the town. Also I like Athena. Far less strong than PFR, but the crying/emotion/etc looks a lot like town really frustrated that her play is awful this game. I feel like scum would prolly be less openly insane about how emotional a game is making them.

Rancid is, like, eh. I haven't really been reading all that many of his posts because pirate talk is stupid, but what I understand looks to come from a townie place. Like, I think he's dead wrong about Athena, but for the right reasons. Also I think the 'sure mass claim,' while mostly null, leans barely in town range in this spot. And there you have my town reads.

I also have way more nulls than should be reasonable. I'm not convinced Yggdra is still here. I don't actually remember a single thing Squirrel Girl has said. I didn't even know that Stuffed Crust was a player.

Si and Am are also lurkery, and I'm putting then in null/scum territory because ~Rach is lurkerscum~

So I'm gonna digest that Generic thing with P_A. For now though

VOTE: Genericly Purple

~Mhork

[Generically Purple]

Paranoia Filled Rampage, can you explain the Generically Purple scum read more?

1. Generic felt very strongly that Nacho and Mollie were both town, but did nothing to stop mollie from being lynching Nacho. This is made worse by the fact that she was interacting with mollie fairly exclusively for a while. Mollie kept insisting that Nacho was scum and shoving him and we get this post. Despite thinking Nacho (a lurker) is townier than all the rage I am throwing around the thread, she only makes token efforts to stop mollie from getting Nacho mislynched.

2. In the whole Us v Mollie debacle, we also only get an extremely shallow acknowledgement of the situation from Generically Purple. I just linked it. Once again, despite talking mostly to mollie (AND KNOWING ME FAIRLY WELL), the only effort Generically Purple makes towards resolving the PFR v Mollie debacle is to make a single sentence addendum to one post about us looking townish. There was no talking to me about it (once again, I suspect Mara would do this as town) and no attempt to dissuade mollie from misreading us other than to casually suggest we are townish offhandedly.

3. They are trying to appease people. The stance they took in Us V Mollie both buddies us (by calling our rage town) and also Mollie (by playing the whole victim card). Everything Purple is saying at the end is to get mollie on their side and its pretty apparent that they are trying (successfully) to get mollie to think they they are being deceived by the scumteam.

4. Their response to me snap-voting them for no reason felt off. Instead of being suspicious of this out-of-the-blue vote, they are overly blaze about it which comes off weird. I dislike that their initial response isn't to question it at all, but to cast it off like they don't care.

Purple is scum.

Athena deserves death for faking scumhunting us about the Nacho hammer (it was incredibly obvious why we did it, whether or not you believe or rage was genuine is another matter). Also the progression of their Nacho read was a whole lot of bullshit ESPECIALLY seeing as how Tammy tried to get guilt-trip points by talking about how she has to deal with unsupported pressured frequently and is making an effort to ignore it.

Ok, you had your time dealing with the sweetheart of our hydra, now ya got the arsehole.

Is this the same team that cried over mollies bullish steamroller tactics? Mara tried to make her opinion known, she refused to vote and made her decision in a way of compromise, COS MOLLIE DOESNT FUCKING LISTEN WHEN TUNNELLING. So she tried a different tact.

I love how the death of the fucking sane cop in the hands of a strong hydra pair is laid at our door for not trying hard enough to stop you morons lynching them.

And two people arguing instantly requires you scum read one of them? Maybe she naively felt you were both arguing with a town motivation?

I'm gonna make some effort to actually read this game eventually, but my skim of tammy had me feeling she was scum. That was a gut call on all the AtE. But given how fast the wolves are circling I'm reassessing cos if what has been thrown in our direction constitutes a case then it doesn't matter if it's lylo, mylo or super Mario, this game hangs in the balance.

~ Gen.

[Generically Purple]

Oh, and call us GP. Calling us as a collective generic suggests you are only referencing me. And if you were, you are a misguided fuckwit.

[Si and Am]

Also I want to talk to peng, please.

Anything in particular?

There was at least one scum on that wagon which means:

PfR or Anthea.

A few things:

1. Discuss Mara/Gen Hydra.

2. Discuss your read on Paranoid Fueled Rampage

3. Discuss the nacho/mollie Day 1.

4. Discuss why you were so absent on Day 1.

~

Also have you talked to your other head about our hydra? y/n?

~Si

I would like for you to tell me how I would, as scum, go after Nacho the way I did.

My impression was that Nacho went after Tammy first, which makes it less of an active choice on your part.

--PA

[Si and Am]

Si and Am are also lurkery, and I'm putting then in null/scum territory because ~Rach is lurkerscum~
~Mhork

Have you talked to your other head about us?

[Si and Am]

Si and Am Jan 12, 09:18am Jan 20, 04:25pm 0 days 0 hours 45

Mhork you are accusing US of lurking? WTF?

Look at the above time stamp and tell me how you come up with this idea?

Waiting...

Waiting...

I thought so....

Now back to reality here, Why on earth would you assume we are scum with G Purple?

Again waiting....

Hmm I call confirmation bias from the last game you and I were in when I was solo and I had no net for most of a trip plus sick with the Superflu when I got back. That being said, I think you are most likely town. You should talk more to PA she can read us better than you can.

~ Am

[Generically Purple]

Paranoia Filled Rampage, can you explain the Generically Purple scum read more?

1. Generic felt very strongly that Nacho and Mollie were both town, but did nothing to stop mollie from being lynching Nacho. This is made worse by the fact that she was interacting with mollie fairly exclusively for a while. Mollie kept insisting that Nacho was scum and shoving him and we get this post. Despite thinking Nacho (a lurker) is townier than all the rage I am throwing around the thread, she only makes token efforts to stop mollie from getting Nacho mislynched.

2. In the whole Us v Mollie debacle, we also only get an extremely shallow acknowledgement of the situation from Generically Purple. I just linked it. Once again, despite talking mostly to mollie (AND KNOWING ME FAIRLY WELL), the only effort Generically Purple makes towards resolving the PFR v Mollie debacle is to make a single sentence addendum to one post about us looking townish. There was no talking to me about it (once again, I suspect Mara would do this as town) and no attempt to dissuade mollie from misreading us other than to casually suggest we are townish offhandedly.

3. They are trying to appease people. The stance they took in Us V Mollie both buddies us (by calling our rage town) and also Mollie (by playing the whole victim card). Everything Purple is saying at the end is to get mollie on their side and its pretty apparent that they are trying (successfully) to get mollie to think they they are being deceived by the scumteam.

4. Their response to me snap-voting them for no reason felt off. Instead of being suspicious of this out-of-the-blue vote, they are overly blaze about it which comes off weird. I dislike that their initial response isn't to question it at all, but to cast it off like they don't care.

Purple is scum.

Athena deserves death for faking scumhunting us about the Nacho hammer (it was incredibly obvious why we did it, whether or not you believe or rage was genuine is another matter). Also the progression of their Nacho read was a whole lot of bullshit ESPECIALLY seeing as how Tammy tried to get guilt-trip points by talking about how she has to deal with unsupported pressured frequently and is making an effort to ignore it.

Lynch us, and flip town, and then what?I don't understand why you would be so confident in reading my slot when ETL has a chronic inability to read ME specifically, and I have been the dominant hand. Pigeon has strongly crusaded for my TOWN lynch the first game he's had with me, and Guyett? I've only played with him, like once? or so, He's never played with me along, he has no handle on my play, and I recall him being a part of my mislynch.

I've put in more effort in keeping nacho from getting lynched than you have. I've stated that I think mollie is wrong, even though I can see where she was coming from, and I tried to get a compromise lynch from her.

as for trying to get on everyone's good side? I've been antagonizing people this game, if that was my goal I would have been doing that to everyone, not just you and mollie. I called Tammy boring, I've attacked Mala (she is still scum, and yeah, she says she switched because I wasn't getting lynched BUT HELLO, I CAN'T GET LYNCHED IF YOU DON'T MAKE A CASE) Refused to do shit with her, made a case against her (a case that has yet been proven wrong) and all she's done is say that I was wrong (not lying and purposefully twisting her words, Just wrong) and STILL can't make a case against me when I was pursuing her. D1, when I pushed her, She's tried to EMOTIONALLY MANIPULATE ME (which I admitted was similar in the way she was doing with mollie) but the difference being she thought mollie was town there. I've stated my reasons to why I think my top scum-reads are where they are, and I've put in more work than anyone here. Me. the person who didn't want to be here in the first place, only played because everyone was asking me to, and wouldn't even be here if it was for Nacho, and Generic, and everyone on skype.

Why I've stated I think the town block is never gonna happen?

Because Athena is OBV town and, for some INSANE REASON, you can't see it. You can't see that her crying is coming from town. WHY WOULD SHE ADMIT TO CRYING IF SHE WAS SCUM. She cried because she got mislynched, not because she put enough effort into the game and people killed her, but because she was TRYING TO but she was busy, and she couldn't and she figured that she would be able to at some point BUT GOT LYNCHED ANYWAY. It isn't any different from me getting mad at Orci for directly insulting my ability to make good fake-associations as scum, it isn't any different from Sakura rage-quitting when a person she town-reads can't see her as town and getting mad over it, it isn't any different from the ETL rages, nor is it any different from the Pigey ones. how you guys can't figure it out is just.... Tammy. Is. Not. Bro. Tammy. Is. Not. Orci. Not everyone is capable of breaking down like that as scum, and the reasoning behind her breaking down is PRIDE. Not actively trying to manipulate someone, but Pride.

Like you two are my top two town reads and I told gen that forming a town-block with us three in the center is priority, but no. You just make it impossible

Beyond that, you guys refuse to scum-read any one who you're scum-reads are reading (which is stupid since I buss more than I buddy, anyway as scum. and even if I do buddy, I don't do it to the point that I've done it in this game). If I truly was scum, the key to figuring out my team is looking at who I interact with, and how. I interact with my team more than anyone else, and right now? the prime candidates would be M&M, and Yggdra with an off chance of hard-bussing Mala/rach for some insane reason (probably to get town cred)

[Generically Purple]

town is LITERALLY handing scum this win, there isn't any reason for scum-mara to be playing the way she is, right now