Open 538: Diffusion of Power (Game Over)

[Lucky2u]

but just to clarify, you think Lucky hammered his dead partner yesterday (true) and then today decided to lynch his other partner?

If he wasn't confirmed town, I'd switch my vote to him. It's the dumbest read ever. It means he thinks I'm a real terrible scum partner.

[BoroPhil]

I hammered Kalimar, and your accusing me of bussing a scum Boro...

Whatever. As long as Boro is scum, I'm OK trading two Scum for my life.

he was dead. there was plenty of intent to hammer. you receive ZERO credit for that.

[DoctorPepper]

Thanks for the guilt trip/misrep combo. I am NOT doing this because you thought i was scum, rather its because you were scummy and you were another target of mine yesterday.

And lucky me thinking "youre a really terrible scum partner" is a reason to vote me? Wow.

[Lucky2u]

That's fine, but with one scum dead, regardless of how... Why would I come in to the next day bussing my partner this hard?

[Lucky2u]

Thanks for the guilt trip/misrep combo. I am NOT doing this because you thought i was scum, rather its because you were scummy and you were another target of mine yesterday.

And lucky me thinking "youre a really terrible scum partner" is a reason to vote me? Wow.

Yes. It is.

[BoroPhil]

Thanks for the guilt trip/misrep combo. I am NOT doing this because you thought i was scum, rather its because you were scummy and you were another target of mine yesterday.

And lucky me thinking "youre a really terrible scum partner" is a reason to vote me? Wow.

do you want to tell us all again why I was scummy yesterday? I can't wait for this.

[BBmolla]

Fusion kill was probably to implicate ETL/Zebe.

Or they actually are buddies, but I think in that case they'd have mentioned the above by now.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Boro, that was a lot of AtF there. And unnecessary. If you are town, you know what we're dealing with here, and you know that we can afford at least one more mislynch. With the information we currently have, we are in a very strong position. The lynch pool is effectively {lucky, boro, smudger}. If you are town, you know this and you would know that a 1 for 1 trade is a lot better for town than it is for scum.

Instead of working out possible strategies with us, discussing actual reads/reasoning (instead of leaching Fusion's), you are throwing out appeals to emotion and fear. Your reactions to your wagon thus far are validating my scum read of you, which - btw - came from your day-opening post.

When I get home and compare my suspicions with known wagons from the last two days, what do you think I will find? You have certainly done nothing resembling analysis yet you chastise others for not analyzing you

enough

? Come on now. You seem to think I've never seen your town/scum game before. I'm not stupid, and neither are most of the people here.

[BoroPhil]

Fusion kill was probably to implicate ETL/Zebe.

Or they actually are buddies, but I think in that case they'd have mentioned the above by now.

Surely the chances of ETL/Zebe scum are minimal? Why go down that route?

I don't even understand why Fusion kill implicates ETL/Zebe?

[BoroPhil]

Boro, that was a lot of AtF there. And unnecessary. If you are town, you know what we're dealing with here, and you know that we can afford at least one more mislynch. With the information we currently have, we are in a very strong position. The lynch pool is effectively {lucky, boro, smudger}. If you are town, you know this and you would know that a 1 for 1 trade is a lot better for town than it is for scum.

Instead of working out possible strategies with us, discussing actual reads/reasoning (instead of leaching Fusion's), you are throwing out appeals to emotion and fear. Your reactions to your wagon thus far are validating my scum read of you, which - btw - came from your day-opening post.

When I get home and compare my suspicions with known wagons from the last two days, what do you think I will find? You have certainly done nothing resembling analysis yet you chastise others for not analyzing you

enough

? Come on now. You seem to think I've never seen your town/scum game before. I'm not stupid, and neither are most of the people here.

AtF?

I agree with your 1for1, and as I said above if lynching me, means you lynch Lucky next, I'm happy.

Possible strategies? I've discussed the numbers of how the game will go.

Reads/reasoning? I've explained why I think Lucky and Aptil are scum. I've explained why others are town

You are ignoring what I am posting to suit your position. You want an easy, quick lynch. It's lazy. You can apologise when the game is over.

[BoroPhil]

You aren't going to bully me. If you want to lynch town, go for it.

I don't see how declaring when I'm active and giving free information to scum is going to automatically help town.

If I me, Smudger, Zebe and DrP all declared N4 (for example) cop now, how would that help town ?

and ETL - please answer this

[BoroPhil]

why ?

and well done everyone who pushed that lynch.

btw, I assume you meant my second post, but exactly why was that reason to vote me? I can understand if it was defending Kalimar yesterday.

[Smudger]

You aren't going to bully me. If you want to lynch town, go for it.

I don't see how declaring when I'm active and giving free information to scum is going to automatically help town.

If I me, Smudger, Zebe and DrP all declared N4 (for example) cop now, how would that help town ?

that could be a fishing trip had it appeared earlier in the game.

anyway did everyone miss DP being cleared by BB?

Lucky is scum btw.

[BoroPhil]

Yeah, like Zebe, DP must be town now unless it's a BB/DP combo.

If we believe them we have 2 scum to come from:

Me
You
aptil
Lucky

we actually can't lose. if they are all telling the truth.

DoctorPepper - hasn't claimed, cleared by BB
Zebe - hasn't claimed, cleared by ETL
BBmolla - N2 Cop
EspeciallyTheLies - N1 cop
aptil - no info
Lucky2u - no info
BoroPhil - no info

is that right?

[BoroPhil]

sorry, Aptil was a N2 doc.

[BoroPhil]

would scumBB do a N0 gambit and then clear DP on D3 to look town? How plausible is that?

[BoroPhil]

actually we can lose. If we mislynched twice with 2 scum left it would be game over.

[Smudger]

How do you know Aptil was a N2 Doc, ok he claimed but we lost a Doc to Modkill.

[Smudger]

would scumBB do a N0 gambit and then clear DP on D3 to look town? How plausible is that?

is there a counter claim, can there be?

[DoctorPepper]

I was n2 doc.

[Smudger]

so DP counters Aptil?

[Smudger]

who was your target DP?

[BoroPhil]

How do you know Aptil was a N2 Doc, ok he claimed but we lost a Doc to Modkill.

well I don't know, but that was his claim.

we can have multiple versions of PRs can't we? in theory everyone could be a N1 cop?

[BoroPhil]

I was n2 doc.

shouldn't claim. you reduce the pool of active PRs that scum can kill.

however, you are probably prime target anyway along with Zebe

[Smudger]

can they? that was not how I understood the set up. you have one cop and one doc each night? or am I wrong?