The Fall of Gondolin Mafia: Game Over (The Tale of Gondolin)

[Elscouta]

Hey guys the following plan crossed my mind: What if we have JS claim who he protects? Then there's probably someone who can out him as scum if he lies about it (for example because he's SCUM and not a body guard).

Discuss.

Are you really proposing that we direct a

protective

role on the off-chance that a/ we have a tracker b/ JS is scum without a targeting ability?

That's ...

CES tried to mislead the town into a mafiassk lynch because he lied that mafiassk was active lurking, whilst he was V/LA.

If that isnt scum I don't know what is.

Hmm... Did you know that MafiaSSK was V/LA? If you did, why didn't you contradict CES at that point? I definitely did not know that MafiaSSK was V/LA.

Is this the reason that the other people are on CES?

[Desperado]

I'm on CES because I don't want to be on TIP--but I would flashwagon sirdan today also.

[Espeonage]

I'm on CES because I don't want to be on TIP--but I would flashwagon sirdan today also.

If this is happening, we need to decide fair quick, so we have time to make it happen.

[sirdanilot]

Hey guys the following plan crossed my mind: What if we have JS claim who he protects? Then there's probably someone who can out him as scum if he lies about it (for example because he's SCUM and not a body guard).

Discuss.

Are you really proposing that we direct a

protective

role on the off-chance that a/ we have a tracker b/ JS is scum without a targeting ability?

That's ...

What of it? JS-town would probably be nightkilled anyway, being a protective role and all. Or at least they will

try

to... That means it doesn't really matter who JS-town would target. Might as well let us direct his target then, to see whether he's lying-ass scum or not.

Yes he could be scum with a targeting ability, but at least this plan is better than nothing.

CES tried to mislead the town into a mafiassk lynch because he lied that mafiassk was active lurking, whilst he was V/LA.

If that isnt scum I don't know what is.

Hmm... Did you know that MafiaSSK was V/LA? If you did, why didn't you contradict CES at that point? I definitely did not know that MafiaSSK was V/LA.

If you would have read the game more closely you would have seen these nat posts: post 554 ...and 557

Is this the reason that the other people are on CES?

Am I other people or am I sirdanilot? Other people are mostly derping, so they are on CES because they want to bus their scumbuddy or because FUCK IT REACTION DERP TEST or some other reason. Hardly anyone in this game is actually playing

[sirdanilot]

I'm on CES because I don't want to be on TIP--but I would flashwagon sirdan today also.

If this is happening, we need to decide fair quick, so we have time to make it happen.

Scum trying to save own ass by means of omgus

[Natirasha]

I'm on CES strictly for deadline reasons.

[sirdanilot]

^As good as I can expect of Nat I guess. At least you're on the right wagon.

[Elscouta]

Nat and Desp, do you have a townread on TIP. If you do, why? If you don't, why do you prefer CES wagon to TIP wagon?

[ActionDan]

when I say js wagon death, I mean waiting until people on that wagon unvote and vote someone else.

[chamber]

We aren't lynching CES or jacobsavage, you guys are crazy.

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 That would be reasonable if I had a strong enough 2nd read to go with instead. 

[chamber]

Like, I'm not going to definitively say that CES is town, but I'm going to definitively say that none of you could have anything but a random read on him at this point and that his default look is 'scummy' to weak players.

[sirdanilot]

Chamber, I clearly posted why I think CES is scum. Why would ANY town player do that? If you are going to tell me 'blatantly lying to people is CES's town play' then CES deserves a lynch anyway.

CES tried to mislead the town into a mafiassk lynch because he lied that mafiassk was active lurking, whilst he was V/LA.

If that isnt scum I don't know what is.

[chamber]

CES didn't know presumably? Go ahead and prove he lied. MafiaSSK's VLA was never publicly posted in this game.

More importantly, CES absolutely might do that to push a lynch as town in a trolly way if he found it funny. I doubt he'd actually let it end in a lynch ever though.

[chamber]

If we are deadline lynching its on danilot.

[chamber]

I doubt he flaked either; he lurks on purpose.

This is the extent of what he said on the issue that I see. A general meta statement about mafiaSSK that is true. This isn't a trolling lie from CES, so prove he knew he was VLA and maybe you have something, but I just don't see CES making that lie as scum intentionally either.

[chamber]

Its actually pretty ridiculous to even call that a lie given that it requires contextual knowledge and is only an implicit lie that requires him to know things I didn't and that we both had equal access to.

[JacobSavage]

I'm with chamber about the CES Wagon. It looks to me a lot like scum hoping people don't notice near the dead line.

[MafiaSSK]

Whatevs, SSK, if you're scum and are making me kill a good townie I hate you. AND I WILL HUNT YOU DOWN.

VOTE: CES

Nat, CES will come out as scum.

VOTE: CES

[chamber]

It looks to me a lot like scum hoping people don't notice near the dead line.

unfortunately I'm not so sure that is the case. I think we just have a lot of baddies in the town.

[chamber]

A LOT of baddies.

[MafiaSSK]

CES, why did you target Tierce in specific and why did you give up so easily on convincing her to vote with you?

I felt JacobSavage's elaboration made that whole sideshow Tierce was engaged in fairly uninteresting, so it seemed like a natural angle. And then I worked that angle more by defending JacobSavage too.

SSK, chamber can confirm that I already posted my reasoning in the Neighborhood before I voted you.

Unvote, vote: Espeonage

This whole post is entirely bull.

I'm going to start by addressing CES's response to Shadoweh.
First off, his whole defense of JacobSavage, (as far as I can tell), consists of

I put it to you that I am in fact being nice by giving you a neat little wagon to jump on for when you realise JacobSavage doesn't look scummy.

. That's one hell of a defense and a way to improve that "angle".

But I honestly don't even still see why Tierce was the one CES was focusing in on. His reasoning is that Tierce sounded bored? So he wanted to help her? Right.

But maybe his reasoning was "in the neighbourhood". Which is another thing that I don't get from this post. Chamber can confirm the reasoning was posted in the neighborhood?

Why not make it publicly out there where we can all respond? Why not make it publicly out there so everyone will definitely read it? Or is it because you wanted an excuse to be able to start a Because Reasons wagon. I feel like that is more believable.

But you're not the lynch today. Because Deadlines.

QFT.
Granted the in the neighborhood bit was weird, but you know, I still don't feel like we're supposed to be able to reply to the green text.

[chamber]

Those posts aren't scumtells for CES. (or anyone really) but especially not CES.

[shos]

this

JS wagon is awful, but I want to see where it goes anyway.

VOTE: JacobSavage

OMFG this is scumpost.

is true because really 'I want to see where it goes' an inch from deadline is stupid, and actually even if it's not an inch from deadline it is stupid because target now knows that your vote is not serious. <<<AKA is a scumpost.

FLASH WAGON ON AEGOR PLEASE. NOW.

Well, at least we finally agree on something shos.

Good, join the wagon please.

OMFG this is scumpost.

Well, at least we finally agree on something shos.

Why are you not voting me, then?

Clearly because deadline; this is an attempt to make us vote him, force a mislynch, and later blame us for it because we unvoted big wagons.

LYNCH THIS SCUM PLEASE

Because realistic expectations from the day. The attempt at derailing lateday wagons is noted however.

This guy is totally town I can't believe a wagon formed at him daystart

How is any of that is relevant right now? I'm voting the wagon that I think is on scum, I pushed it to where it is (

hey look, someone who actually has logical skill and the charisma to back it up

~), I really have no business haring off with other reads. Some of them are obvious as it is, and if you can't tell them by now, you're not going to get any more enlightenment through a reads list.

I'm being cryptic because I can

and because there's really no point in discussing other things right now. Deal with it.

Will this continue the entire game? Let me know so I can act accordingly.



JS wagon is awful, but I want to see where it goes anyway.

VOTE: JacobSavage

Scum hopping onto wagon on buddy.

I'd prefer a no lynch today, none of the wagons look good

Tip is either scum or village idiot

ON THE WAGON PLEAZ
also tip is not really a VI or scum because at the time realy none of the wagons was good. I joined JS just because deadline, and I seriously considered preferring NL to make this an odd-number-of-players game.

I am Glorfindel, Town Bodyguard.

Basically I fought the Balrog but lost but in doing so I saved Idril Celebrindal.

we shouldn't lynch this one. if it's true, he'll die with time, if not, he'll have to explain his targets and it'll make his life much harder

Hi?

oh wow this guy is so amazing I can't believe he hasn't been lytnched yet. anyway, ON THE WAGON PLEAZ ITS BUSSING TIEM

My suggestion is body guarding shadow or chamber

directing PRs already eh, trying to help your team not get misdirected? no thanks.

if you are town, please explain to me why on earth would you suggest that.

Not Voting js. Cesar was leaning town. Tip.... m2aybe?


I'd feel better about voting ces if nat was not voting it.

VOTE: tip

For now

really omgwtfkillthisonewithFIAR

I'm with chamber about the CES Wagon. It looks to me a lot like scum hoping people don't notice near the dead line.

Yup, CES' wagon is terribad as well.

ALL ABOARD THE AEGOR VOTECOUNT SI VOUS PLAIT

[chamber]

Aegor has a solid chance of being scum. Tierce is still the far better lynch of the 2.

[Espeonage]

I'm on CES because I don't want to be on TIP--but I would flashwagon sirdan today also.

If this is happening, we need to decide fair quick, so we have time to make it happen.

Scum trying to save own ass by means of omgus

I'm not even a lynch candidate any more.