Mini 1524: Olympian Gods Mafia - Game Over
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I'm back home, lol. sorry for the delay, I'm just increasing the interest by delaying
I have a more urgent game that I tended to so far, I will put all my thoughts and knowledge here in a few minutes.
I have a more urgent game that I tended to so far, I will put all my thoughts and knowledge here in a few minutes.
In post 836, Lucky2u said:
Rule # 5h05: players should not attempt to use or manipulate the mod for any purpose.
eagle is aliveIn post 3388, Whiskers wrote:I did Neighborize Nacho, like I said I would.
Sounds like Eagle is alive, too, so Nacho is town.
Kise is confirmed town from Masonflip.
If Eagle is town, then Nacho is confirmed Town.
If Eagle is town, then havingFitz is confirmed Town.
Players to lynch:
Eagle
Desperado
Whiskers
Shos.
Ok so here's what we do.
Lynch Whiskers today.
If scum kill Eagle, then three players (Nacho, fitz, and Kise) are confirmed town, and two players (Desperado and Shos) aren't-- and must be scum. Automatic town win.
If scumdon'tkill eagle, then Eagle instead has the chance to investigate another player-- for the sake of argument, let's say Shos.
Let's say scum kills Kise, obviously the best kill for scum this Night. So to recap:
Lynch Whiskers
Nightkill Kise
Investigate/Doc Shos.
This leaves Eagle, Desperado, and Shos in the morning.
If Eagle is town, then Eagle will die, flipping and clearing Nacho and fitz, and confirming Shos as scum. Lynch Shos, lynch Desperado, town wins.*
If Eagle is not town, then eagle will still be alive-- meaning that her previous clears are actuallynotcleared-- but then, you've caught one scum, Eagle.
*Actually, this endgames us, doesn't it? townNacho and townFitz vs scumShos and scumDesp? So maybe that dosen't work after all.
In post 836, Lucky2u said:
Rule # 5h05: players should not attempt to use or manipulate the mod for any purpose.
first thing: in regards to whiskers' plan: we might not be endgamed if Des is dead, since that gives another vote.
anyway..so tonight I got that there is a scum neighbourizer. Seems like im getting info about scum roles - encryptor, neighbourizer - and with the ninja flip that can be the whole scumteam - so i wont bribe any more, ill enable.
That means that either Whiskers is scum, or fitz is scum. Now, eagle has a conftown cop on fitz. so that means that we have one of three options:
1. Whiskers is scum, fitz is town, eagle can be both.
2. Whiskers is town, fitz is scum, eagle is fitz' partner
3. Whiskers is town, fitz is scum, eagle is town and scum have some extra power to interfere with the copping.
The third option is unlikely imo. Unless I get just partial information we practically know all scum powers(does this balance, btw?).
If we lynch whiskers, and des' answer is not good for town and whiskers is town then eagle should no action if he is town to keep himself alive. whiskerstown means fitz scum. So we lynch fitz and...find last scum somehow.
statistically, fitz is the lynch today, because in 2/3 cases he is scum, when whiskers is 1/3 and eagle is (1+?)/3.
yet, fitz is supposedly conftown.
So let's say we lynch whiskers. if he flips scum, it's good. Kise will die because duh(or not? actually? if eagle is still alive - killing Kise is dangerous for town so maybe Kise will live and it's better? AHEM eagle should either way target Kise, not no-action, because kise is conftown.
So if he flips scum it's all well
problem is if he flips town, what we do. we're in lylo 5p; eagle targets kise so kise lives - so fitz will die - wait no. if whiskers is town then fitz is scum, so eagle's protection is by no means anything useful. eagle may just as well be either neighbourizers' partner.
*sigh*
I need to take a look at all possible scumteams now
Des should ask the mod.
Also we need toknow if we see who he is voting, otherwise it's dooming us anyway.anyway..so tonight I got that there is a scum neighbourizer. Seems like im getting info about scum roles - encryptor, neighbourizer - and with the ninja flip that can be the whole scumteam - so i wont bribe any more, ill enable.
That means that either Whiskers is scum, or fitz is scum. Now, eagle has a conftown cop on fitz. so that means that we have one of three options:
1. Whiskers is scum, fitz is town, eagle can be both.
2. Whiskers is town, fitz is scum, eagle is fitz' partner
3. Whiskers is town, fitz is scum, eagle is town and scum have some extra power to interfere with the copping.
The third option is unlikely imo. Unless I get just partial information we practically know all scum powers(does this balance, btw?).
If we lynch whiskers, and des' answer is not good for town and whiskers is town then eagle should no action if he is town to keep himself alive. whiskerstown means fitz scum. So we lynch fitz and...find last scum somehow.
statistically, fitz is the lynch today, because in 2/3 cases he is scum, when whiskers is 1/3 and eagle is (1+?)/3.
yet, fitz is supposedly conftown.
So let's say we lynch whiskers. if he flips scum, it's good. Kise will die because duh(or not? actually? if eagle is still alive - killing Kise is dangerous for town so maybe Kise will live and it's better? AHEM eagle should either way target Kise, not no-action, because kise is conftown.
So if he flips scum it's all well
problem is if he flips town, what we do. we're in lylo 5p; eagle targets kise so kise lives - so fitz will die - wait no. if whiskers is town then fitz is scum, so eagle's protection is by no means anything useful. eagle may just as well be either neighbourizers' partner.
*sigh*
I need to take a look at all possible scumteams now
In post 836, Lucky2u said:
Rule # 5h05: players should not attempt to use or manipulate the mod for any purpose.
town claims so far to have:
3 neighbourizers
1 delayed QT cop
1 ascetic watcher
1 virgin weak doctor
1 delayed-random-rolecop? <<that's me
2 masons
1 restless spirit
scum has flipped
1 ninja
I'm missing two people
3 neighbourizers
1 delayed QT cop
1 ascetic watcher
1 virgin weak doctor
1 delayed-random-rolecop? <<that's me
2 masons
1 restless spirit
scum has flipped
1 ninja
I'm missing two people
In post 836, Lucky2u said:
Rule # 5h05: players should not attempt to use or manipulate the mod for any purpose.
town claims so far to have:
2 neighbourizers
1 virgin weak doctor
1 delayed-random-rolecop? <<that's me
1 restless spirit
1 bomb
scum has flipped
two of those roles not in colors are lying scum. one is an encryptor and one is a neighbourizer. possibly more abilities.
2 neighbourizers
1 neighbourizer
1 delayed QT cop
1 ascetic watcher
1 ascetic watcher
1 virgin weak doctor
1 delayed-random-rolecop? <<that's me
2 masons
1 restless spirit
1 bomb
1 two-shot commuter
scum has flipped
1 ninja
two of those roles not in colors are lying scum. one is an encryptor and one is a neighbourizer. possibly more abilities.
In post 836, Lucky2u said:
Rule # 5h05: players should not attempt to use or manipulate the mod for any purpose.
This looks like either way town is superduperomgOPed over scum. scum must have reaaaaaally badass roles then. Godly get it?
so...that makes option 3 not unlikely.
Whiskers or fitz? :/
so...that makes option 3 not unlikely.
Whiskers or fitz? :/
In post 836, Lucky2u said:
Rule # 5h05: players should not attempt to use or manipulate the mod for any purpose.
So we have two people confirmed to each other as town. We have a 2-s commuter who dodges everything. We have an ascetic watcher who couldn't be neighbored/blocked/whatever. We have someone who can tell whether you're in QTs or not (helps mafia more).
And you're saying we also have a bomb, someone who finds out mafia's exact roles, and someone who can confirm town while also protecting them?
I'll buy Nacho and eagle as town since they are tradeoff roles, in addition to the ascetic and commuter being limited in scope and use. But now the mod is making it even harder on mafia by letting you know their exact roles?
All of this for a 13 player. Hmm. I will think it over today and tomorrow.
pedit, if Mala could find out tidbits on what was said in QTs, maybe eagle's virgin passive leans scum since you don't want scum in too many QTs. And maybe there's a scum neighbor for sure since if they neighborize town, it helps throw off the QT cop. So that all makes sense. Your role still sounds broken.
And yes Desp you should find out if the day ends with your lynch? Probably. I think you'd still act as a body (if town) to prevent us from losing in certain situations. But also ask the mod to see if the game would go on with you freshly dead, 2 mafia and 2 town alive during day phase.
And you're saying we also have a bomb, someone who finds out mafia's exact roles, and someone who can confirm town while also protecting them?
I'll buy Nacho and eagle as town since they are tradeoff roles, in addition to the ascetic and commuter being limited in scope and use. But now the mod is making it even harder on mafia by letting you know their exact roles?
All of this for a 13 player. Hmm. I will think it over today and tomorrow.
pedit, if Mala could find out tidbits on what was said in QTs, maybe eagle's virgin passive leans scum since you don't want scum in too many QTs. And maybe there's a scum neighbor for sure since if they neighborize town, it helps throw off the QT cop. So that all makes sense. Your role still sounds broken.
And yes Desp you should find out if the day ends with your lynch? Probably. I think you'd still act as a body (if town) to prevent us from losing in certain situations. But also ask the mod to see if the game would go on with you freshly dead, 2 mafia and 2 town alive during day phase.
They have escaped into the mansion where they thought it was safe.
Yet…
Yet…
well firstly I'm delayed, secondly it seems that it's far from exact roles. I'm sure they have something more up their sleeve.
I don't think knowing the Encryptor is as important as I made it to be; I mean, it's not like we took some interaction and called HEY NOTICE THAT! this must be planned while done! or something. neighbourizer - well I would have thought that way anyway, it just proves me correct, I think. your predecessor was the one who started the whole 1 scum in 3 idea in our setup spec; it wasn't bad then, and it certainly isn't bad now that I have it from the mod.
Ok I read your second to last paragraph 4 times and I have no idea what you're saying. please explain.
I don't think knowing the Encryptor is as important as I made it to be; I mean, it's not like we took some interaction and called HEY NOTICE THAT! this must be planned while done! or something. neighbourizer - well I would have thought that way anyway, it just proves me correct, I think. your predecessor was the one who started the whole 1 scum in 3 idea in our setup spec; it wasn't bad then, and it certainly isn't bad now that I have it from the mod.
Ok I read your second to last paragraph 4 times and I have no idea what you're saying. please explain.
In post 836, Lucky2u said:
Rule # 5h05: players should not attempt to use or manipulate the mod for any purpose.
Can I take a step back and say I haven't read any of Shos's plans mostly, because it occurred to me that my plan works great, is we lynch Desperado instead of me toDay.
He flips, if he's town, Eagle goes scum-hunting (Me or shos, I guess?), and if he's alive, he's scum, but if he's dead, we know whomever he investigated (me or shos) is scum, not to mention that fitz and Nacho are confirmed town. Then we lynch whoever to protection was, and we have enough votes to do so (because Desp).
Although, as I type it out, it seems that either Eagle is scum, and we should just go right there, and then start looking for scum in his clears, or else Shos and I (possibly substitute one out for Desp) are scum.
But yeah. Desp's claim won't be proven, and his power won't be usable, until he's killed. So that seems like a reasonable way to go.
He flips, if he's town, Eagle goes scum-hunting (Me or shos, I guess?), and if he's alive, he's scum, but if he's dead, we know whomever he investigated (me or shos) is scum, not to mention that fitz and Nacho are confirmed town. Then we lynch whoever to protection was, and we have enough votes to do so (because Desp).
Although, as I type it out, it seems that either Eagle is scum, and we should just go right there, and then start looking for scum in his clears, or else Shos and I (possibly substitute one out for Desp) are scum.
But yeah. Desp's claim won't be proven, and his power won't be usable, until he's killed. So that seems like a reasonable way to go.
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Okay, here's what I'm thinking. We have all these town roles, so there's probably a scum RB and I'm just being really paranoid because I expected myself dead already. Scum would want me to target them so they could roleblock me and become confirmed town.
So, Nacho and fitz is not confirmed.
Shos, didn't you claim Enabler?
So, Nacho and fitz is not confirmed.
Shos, didn't you claim Enabler?
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How convenient. all of a sudden you say fitz is not conftown.
mmm. can you smell it? *sniff* I smell whiskers-eagle scumteam?
mmm. can you smell it? *sniff* I smell whiskers-eagle scumteam?
In post 836, Lucky2u said:
Rule # 5h05: players should not attempt to use or manipulate the mod for any purpose.
Conversely, My action, neighbourizing Nacho,In post 3419, Elyse wrote:In post 3418, Kise wrote:mod do you inform people if their action failed, including by not limited to, via roleblocks?No.
was
confirmed to go through. Which means he should have access to my Day QT, not that that has any thing on my alignment.
See, that's interesting.shos wrote:How convenient. all of a sudden you say fitz is not conftown.
mmm. can you smell it? *sniff* I smell whiskers-eagle scumteam?
What if we actually lynch Eagle tonight? I mean, this isn't going to be a popular suggestion, but I want to talk it out at least.
If we lynch eagle (fips town), we get fitz and Nacho confirmed. Kise is confirmed. Whiskers, Shos, and Desperado are unconfirmed. A conf-town is nightkilled (assume Kise for example). Assuming three-scum team, two of Whiskers, Shos, and Desp are scum, the other is town, along with Fitz and Nacho. LyLo.
If we lynch eagle (flips scum), we get a scum lynch. Kise is confirmed. fitz, Nacho, Whiskers, Shos, and Desperado are unconfirmed. A conf-town is nightkilled (Kise is the only one). Assuming a three-scum team, one of Whiskers, Shos, Desp, fitz, and Nacho, are scum. One last day until Lylo.
Is this any better than the other plans suggested?
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confirming thisIn post 3388, Whiskers wrote:I did Neighborize Nacho, like I said I would.
Sounds like Eagle is alive, too, so Nacho is town.
additionally confirming that the neighborhood sucks as much as whiskers said it would
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i spy a couple of teams that are impossible
and the fact that those power roles sort of fucking suckIn post 3413, Kise wrote:even harder on mafia by letting you know their exact roles?
that's the thing that makes it such a town claimIn post 3415, Whiskers wrote:But yeah. Desp's claim won't be proven, and his power won't be usable, until he's killed. So that seems like a reasonable way to go.
i also think it's only usable for a day afterwards so I don't actually understand what you're saying here
Funny how you bring this up when you have nowhere else to go.In post 3417, 1baldeagle1 wrote:Okay, here's what I'm thinking. We have all these town roles, so there's probably a scum RB and I'm just being really paranoid because I expected myself dead already. Scum would want me to target them so they could roleblock me and become confirmed town.
So, Nacho and fitz is not confirmed.
Also pointing out that if scum have a roleblocker, shos is a liar so you should probably vote him if you believe that?
"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.
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