Xenosaga Mafia (Game Over)

[Kazekirimaru]

Eh?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

wait so we're doing VOTE: mastin right right guys

[zMuffinMan]

Could you be a little less cryptic?

i would if i could

if you can't tell the difference, then anything i say here isn't going to make sense to you, and i'm not even really sure i can describe it

there are differences in the way mastin approaches the game as scum/town and there are differences in the way he sounds as scum/town. it's not as simple as "arrogance" or "hesitance" or anything like that so i have trouble describing what the actual difference is. when nacho is around, ask him what he thinks. or i'll talk to him myself when he's around and posting.

[sangres]

Could you be a little less cryptic?

i would if i could

if you can't tell the difference, then anything i say here isn't going to make sense to you, and i'm not even really sure i can describe it

there are differences in the way mastin approaches the game as scum/town and there are differences in the way he sounds as scum/town. it's not as simple as "arrogance" or "hesitance" or anything like that so i have trouble describing what the actual difference is. when nacho is around, ask him what he thinks. or i'll talk to him myself when he's around and posting.

I don't know that I can tell the difference, but I don't unequivocally get a scum sense from his posts in this game so far. For me, the Walking Dead game was way more of a "something's not right", and I wound up putting aside concerns when I should have kept them in mind.

When Nacho and I confab I'll let him know yu want to talk to him.

[Cephrir]

But I must admit...this feels off. Mastin is supposedly one of the most experienced players around. To be felled by such a thing as this? I don't know. I'd expect scum-Mastin to have more chops than that.

This is fair. I was thinking the same at one point, but then I realized town-mastin shouldn't suck this much either, so... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Cephrir]

Could you be a little less cryptic?

i would if i could

if you can't tell the difference, then anything i say here isn't going to make sense to you, and i'm not even really sure i can describe it

there are differences in the way mastin approaches the game as scum/town and there are differences in the way he sounds as scum/town. it's not as simple as "arrogance" or "hesitance" or anything like that so i have trouble describing what the actual difference is. when nacho is around, ask him what he thinks. or i'll talk to him myself when he's around and posting.

Gee, thanks. =/

[zMuffinMan]

Spoiler: tally

bottom of p9

[7] Brian Skies

(Kazekirimaru, pieguyn, Skullduggery, zMuffinMan, Metal Sonic, Brian Skies, orcinus_theoriginal)

[2] pieguyn

(MafiaSSK, mastin2)

[2] mastin2

(Angry Frat BROs, Cephrir)

[1] Metal Sonic

(Venmar)

[1] Skullduggery

(Aegor)

[1] Venmar

(sangres)

[6] Not Voting

(ActionDan, Cabd, macmollie, Kagami, Varsoon, Flandre Scarlet)

bottom of p10

[5] Brian Skies

(Kazekirimaru, zMuffinMan, Metal Sonic, Brian Skies, orcinus_theoriginal)

[4] mastin2

(Angry Frat BROs, Cephrir, pieguyn, Cabd)

[1] pieguyn

(mastin2)

[1] Metal Sonic

(Venmar)

[1] Skullduggery

(Aegor)

[1] Venmar

(sangres)

[1] Flandre Scarlet

(Skullduggery)

[6] Not Voting

(ActionDan, macmollie, Kagami, Varsoon, Flandre Scarlet, MafiaSSK)

bottom of p11

[5] mastin2

(Angry Frat BROs, Cephrir, pieguyn, Cabd, Kazekirimaru)

[3] Brian Skies

(Metal Sonic, Brian Skies, orcinus_theoriginal)

[2] pieguyn

(mastin2, zMuffinMan)

[1] Metal Sonic

(Venmar)

[1] Skullduggery

(Aegor)

[1] Venmar

(sangres)

[1] Flandre Scarlet

(Skullduggery)

[6] Not Voting

(ActionDan, macmollie, Kagami, Varsoon, Flandre Scarlet, MafiaSSK)

bottom of p12

[6] mastin2

(Angry Frat BROs, Cephrir, pieguyn, Cabd, Kazekirimaru, Metal Sonic)

[2] Brian Skies

(Brian Skies, orcinus_theoriginal)

[2] pieguyn

(mastin2, zMuffinMan)

[1] Metal Sonic

(Venmar)

[1] Skullduggery

(Aegor)

[1] Venmar

(sangres)

[1] Flandre Scarlet

(Skullduggery)

[6] Not Voting

(ActionDan, macmollie, Kagami, Varsoon, Flandre Scarlet, MafiaSSK)

bottom of p13 - CURRENT

[7] mastin2

(Angry Frat BROs, Cephrir, pieguyn, Cabd, Kazekirimaru, Metal Sonic, orcinus_theoriginal)

[2] pieguyn

(mastin2, zMuffinMan)

[1] Brian Skies

(Brian Skies)

[1] Metal Sonic

(Venmar)

[1] Skullduggery

(Aegor)

[1] Venmar

(sangres)

[1] Flandre Scarlet

(Skullduggery)

[6] Not Voting

(ActionDan, macmollie, Kagami, Varsoon, Flandre Scarlet, MafiaSSK)

for my own reference, in case an official votecount isn't coming any time soon

[Brian Skies]

Ok, I'm a wuss.

Coward.

I've not seen you do this before.

That's because it's something I've never done.

Fun Fact: In the last Xeno game, the L-3 wagon on TD at the start of the game only had 1 scum on it.

And it was the last scum we caught.

That's an interesting tidbit of information that doesn't surprise me. I've noticed town likes to pile onto large bandwagons. Also, the post you quoted was mostly sarcasm.

Well, that's depressing, I guess...

Very much so. I think the only time I tried to lynch him, he was town and that's because I was heavily townreading the last scum at the time. But I managed to steal a win from him when he was scum in a micro.

I'm not sure I see anyone naturally reacting this way.

There's actually a really specific reason why I wasn't "flipping my shit" and you're probably not going to find out this game.

I would have been too, but the self vote kind of made me care less.

I actually like this post because it mirrors my typical reaction to self-votes.

Venmar (sixth on the wagon) is prob-town.

Do you mean Varsoon? Venmar was never on the wagon.

Because I'm feeling hella MOTIVATED this game, and I intend to get an early run at townblock creation.

Why are you so motivated this game? The last time I saw you, you seemed very apathetic (I can't remember but I also think you were a very obvtown doc).

[Brian Skies]

What are you thinking of the contents of your wagon?

I haven't gone back to reassess it, but it did play a part in my reads list here

Town: Nacho, Skull, Ceph, Muffin, maybe Orci
Unsure and wondering what the fuck: Kaze, Pie
Scum: Anyone on my wagon that I didn't mention because I don't really know them

And who said anything about claiming? I thought we were quicklynching me.

[Brian Skies]

I'm not really understanding your interaction with Brian. If you don't want someone to declare intent/ask for a claim why did you participate in keeping him at L-1 rather than unvote before anything happened?

I'd actually like a response to this as well. But if he had simply unvoted me after #117, I probably would have attacked him.

If Kaze is scum, lynch this shit. Kaze made a similar wall, but which was much worse than Skull's wall--why'd you glaze over it, Aegor?

Mastin can be town.

Oh!

Just realized.

Fuck yeah, this game's a town win.

BRO is town.
Nacho is town.

They never lose.

We win.

I'm also feeling great this game, which helps. I feel like the town players here are already in the process of synching up, just like last Xeno game, and that the scum are trapped on the outside for the most part. I generally don't feel like instantly flipping the switch, but this game is going so damn awesomely that I kinda sorta feel like I almost could flip it right here and now and be that pseudo-scumhunting-god.

Although I know that this is a thing, I'd have liked it if this wasn't mentioned. I don't know why, but stating something like this, especially so early in the game, just bothers me.

That's literally his entire fucking ISO, mastin.

Have you never played with Mastin before?

I would if I could.

Does this have anything to do with that neighbor/lover game?

[Brian Skies]

If the idea is to flip Scum, then why did you bring up the Innocent Child and Super Saint roles specifically when talking to Muffin?

Spoiler:

(i think i've said that three games in a row now, but this is the first time i'm actually serious. do not target me unless you really want to confirm that targeting me is a bad idea)

I lol'd. This person probably says this every game, juts like Nat self-votes every game, must be some ritual so it's totally null. I haven't looked at if anyone has called him/her out for this statement (someone probably has). But as I said I only skim and don't 'read'

no. the last couple games i played i coincidentally said something similar for other reasons, but it's not something i do often by any means

i don't understand why people don't think i'm super obv town

i'm like an innocent child, minus the innocent child part.

It was actually meant as a joke. As for supersaint, I don't know why that came to mind, but it just did. Probably just a connotative thought associated with the word "nun."

[Metal Sonic]

Who hasn't played with Martin before raise your hand

[Metal Sonic]

Mastin

Autocorrect is funny

[Angry Frat BROs]

Sup guys Im in Ireland. So I'll be catching up in the next 24 hours, don't post too much <3 <3

I have some reads from skimming, but I'd rather wait until I can actually stomach the QUOTE STRIP WALLS.

Ok you can all have one complimentary read. Orcinus is towntowntown.

[Metal Sonic]

How do I tell the difference between bro and the other dude

[Cabd]

{orc-Bros-kagami-cabd-cephrir}
{sangres-kaze-skies}
{fuckton 'o nulls}
{mastin, pieguy}

[Aegor]

If Kaze is scum, lynch this shit. Kaze made a similar wall, but which was much worse than Skull's wall--why'd you glaze over it, Aegor?

You and Cephrir i.a. have also made walls, but I am not voting any of you. I found Skull's wall and vote to be full of specious questions and uncompelling reasoning for what appeared to be a serious vote. The wall of text was not the problem (although I do hate them); the content was.

If Brian flips Town, I'd be more inclined to look at who

wasn't

on his wagon to find Scum since I imagine that Scum off the wagon wouldn't want to touch it with a ten-foot pole.

Why the hell not?

If Brian flips Scum, then it would make more sense to look at the early voters on his wagon to see if there were any partners who casually voted for him without realizing that it was going to turn into an L-1 wagon so quickly.

Would you count yourself among the early voters, or have you conveniently excluded yourself from both categories you recommend scrutinizing based on Brian's indefinitely future lynch?

I wouldn't have voted for Brian if I didn't think he was Scum, so I'm looking more closely at the second scenario right now. The first three people on the Brian wagon were Kaze, Pieguyn, and Flandre. Of those three, Flandre is making me the most uncomfortable. I see nothing but fluff, a naked vote, and what looks like an attempt to produce content just for the sake of producing content.

VOTE: Flandre Scarlet

Question answered. This vote is just as much of a stretch as the last. You are voting Flandre because she nakedly voted someone who

may

be scum and there is consequently a non-negligible chance that she is scum who casually voted for her partner? The game has lasted a little over a day and FS made like three posts. This vote is

horribad

.

Same question I asked Cephrir: why was my vote for Brian offensive but the other nine were perfectly okay?

They are not necessarily okay. Yours bothered me the most.

Aside from finding it "amusing" (which tells us nothing),

It tells you plenty.

what do you think of the Brian wagon?

No opinion.

Do you object to it? Do you think it was Town-driven or Scum-driven?

Probably town-driven if numbers count as driving.

[Cephrir]

{

orc

-Bros-kagami-cabd-cephrir}
{sangres-kaze-skies}
{fuckton 'o nulls}
{mastin,

pieguy

}

Dear Bolded,

Please elaborate.

Love,
Ceph

[Kazekirimaru]

This is fair. I was thinking the same at one point, but then I realized town-mastin shouldn't suck this much either, so... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

That's not really a fair argument.

That's because it's something I've never done.

So, why do it?

[Cabd]

Re Orc: Hated claim came off town as fuck.

Re Pie, he feels off and to explain would be a PITA, so.... later.

[Kazekirimaru]

what do you think of the Brian wagon?

No opinion.

Really, though?

[Aegor]

what do you think of the Brian wagon?

No opinion.

Really, though?

It was a flashwagon. Opinions regarding it are completely unfounded by virtue of its nature.

[Brian Skies]

bc he was only the 2nd (?) vote on the wagon and supersaint only kills the person who hammered

Since you know how the role works and I wasn't in any danger based on positioning, why can moving my vote only come from a scum me?

what's with this reaction? you just sit there and go "oh, I tried to RVS wagon Jesus, poor me" and then make sarcastic comments like this p much invalidating the whole point of the pressure wagon. it seems scum motivated (you're relatively sure you won't get lynched via this wagon so your first intent is to get said wagon off you). explain plz

Uh, no. I actually threw out several theories as to why people were jumping onto my wagon. You and Kaze voted me for the supersaint thing. Skull voted me for my awkward vote switch/sheep vote. Some votes just looked like pressure votes with the sole intent of making the wagon larger. Muffin, I don't know. Orci's vote probably came as a reaction to my comment about his entrance. The Jesus thing was a joke, but I am pretty aware of how the votes ended up on my wagon even if I don't know the alignments associated with those votes.

Also, if you look at the nature of my wagon, of course I'd be sarcastic. It just looked like an RVS wagon. If I got lynched as a result (which I did think was a possibility, especially after my self-vote), then this game no longer becomes my problem and I can focus on my other games.

If my entrance was weak, then my entrance is always weak.

I think your entrance is just usually weak. Wasn't there a short discussion about this in the Pitoli game?

Though as you put it to Aegor, I don't know that all nine of the others were necessarily okay, I just can't pick out which one(s) are actually the bad ones.

I actually liked Skull's jump onto my wagon the most out of that group. She seemed the most interested in actually sorting me and the others associated with the wagon. The others just looked like empty pressure votes.

[Kazekirimaru]

It was a flashwagon. Opinions regarding it are completely unfounded by virtue of its nature.

...

No, they're not?

[Aegor]

Then I leave those opinions to those who are qualified to hold them, because my emotional and intellectual responses to Brian's wagon itself are nonexistent and did not materialize upon re-read.