Xenosaga Mafia (Game Over)

[Metal Sonic]

Actually I read 416 and 417 and I can see where the scumreads came from, seems kinda manufactured idk, I'll wait and see to judge properly

Unlike Mastin who judges immediately and is probably wrong/scum

[pieguyn]

you should have spaced this out by like at least 5 minutes, pie

rookie scum mistake

LOL

you know I make several posts at the same time all the time. you are pushing a meta case that is complete BS. and you know this. fail

[Metal Sonic]

Never played with pie before so I'm comparing his play style to how I would play. Since it seems that way.


P-edit ya obviously you copy paste your long walls of text from some wordpad

[macmollie]

Post #416 (ISO) » Wed Jan 29, 2014 2:44 pm

Post #417 (ISO) » Wed Jan 29, 2014 2:44 pm

you should have spaced this out by like at least 5 minutes, pie

rookie scum mistake

are you trolling muffina

i never troll

pieguy is scum

i could break it down and explain exactly why but not right now

do you have much experience playing with pieguy?

no I don't. are you being for realz

[zMuffinMan]

you know I make several posts at the same time all the time

i don't know that. could you show me one example of when you've done that before?

i've literally never seen you separate two responses like that, that big, that quickly. it looks like you were writing them, checking to make sure they looked town, and then posting them.

usually you just post it all in one go, or there's a time difference in your posts that indicates you were responding to one thing, then writing your next response to the next thing.

are you being for realz

yes. i am always serious. some people sometimes think i'm joking around, but that is just a misconception and everything i say is 100% serious.

pieguy is scum.

[zMuffinMan]

also the time gap is not why i think those posts are scummy, but it did reassure me i'm right here

[pieguyn]

hey zmuffin

if you're somehow town let me show you how terrible you're being
1 2
1 2
1 2
1 2

this was just from a quick glance at my ISO in this game

this is so terrible there's no way you can be town. you're a better player than this. you rolled scum against me again and are just trolling me. I literally can't think of any other explanation for this shit

[Metal Sonic]

Yea clearly pie's responses aren't stream of consciousness , not sure if that's scummy or not but to me it's a stretch to call him scum for that, I'll wait and see

[zMuffinMan]

also the time gap is not why i think those posts are scummy, but it did reassure me i'm right here

[zMuffinMan]

although thank you for linking those posts.

it makes it easy for people who aren't familiar with your playstyle to compare and contrast and see why your posts aren't town here

[macmollie]

godly one

[pieguyn]

you usually don't put post links in quotes nor put the full username of the person you're quoting

this is not why I think you're scummy, but it did reassure me I'm right here

tell me how this complete pile of BS I just wrote is any different than what you're doing. if you're somehow town (and this is a big fking if) then this is your formal invitation to wake the fuck up and quit being an idiot. otherwise, thx for making this easy for me

[Metal Sonic]

Oh I have played with muffin before

[zMuffinMan]

you usually don't put post links in quotes nor put the full username of the person you're quoting

this is not why I think you're scummy, but it did reassure me I'm right here

tell me how this complete pile of BS I just wrote is any different than what you're doing.

the difference is that i'm town and you're not

it's funny watching how you react

[Aegor]

Not getting why pie is being scumread. Meta case is laughably awful. I like pie.

Mastin's posts are at best counterproductive.

Because that's the first place you'd look to find Scum. If you're playing hide-and-seek, do you try to hide by standing in the middle of the road or do you hide in a place where the seeker is unlikely to look?

1) Voting for a lynch with 10 people on it is hardly "standing in the middle of the road."
2) The middle of the road may be the place where the seeker is unlikely to look. It is not as if the scum on the wagon are magically identified.

If Brian flips Scum, then it would make more sense to look at the early voters on his wagon to see if there were any partners who casually voted for him without realizing that it was going to turn into an L-1 wagon so quickly.

Would you count yourself among the early voters, or have you conveniently excluded yourself from both categories you recommend scrutinizing based on Brian's indefinitely future lynch?

Are you seriously asking me whether I would consider myself to be a likely candidate when looking for Scum? Why would I do that? What purpose would that serve?

OMG. You just blatantly strawmanned me. That is not what I asked. And your attempt to hand-wave it away has not gone unnoticed. Read my question, which is quoted right here as well for your convenience.

What makes you so certain that Brian is going to be lynched in the future?

Another strawman. I never said Brian would be lynched in the future. That is what makes his lynch

indefinitely

in the future.

Question answered. This vote is just as much of a stretch as the last. You are voting Flandre because she nakedly voted someone who

may

be scum and there is consequently a non-negligible chance that she is scum who casually voted for her partner? The game has lasted a little over a day and FS made like three posts. This vote is

horribad

.

Well, you could always sit there and cry about it. That might help. Your defense of Flandre is noted, though.

Since you seem to be so convinced that Flandre isn't Scum, would you mind explaining why he's Town and why he doesn't deserve to be voted?

Voting him for being scum and voting him are two completely different acts. I never said he does not deserve to be voted and I am not saying that now. I have no read on him at the moment.

Aside from finding it "amusing" (which tells us nothing),

It tells you plenty.

It tells me nothing, actually. What should it be telling me?

That I found the wagon amusing. I have never had any other reactions or emotions to the Brian lynch. You can sit there and cry about it, I guess.

What do you think of the Brian wagon?

No opinion.

Bullshit. You said yourself in 159 that my vote for Brian

especially

bothered you, but now you suddenly have no opinion of the Brian wagon?

Your vote is not equivalent to a bandwagon, you insufferable fucktard.

How very convenient. It seems to me that you're afraid to commit to an opinion of the wagon because you might be held accountable to it later.

Then hold me accountable for my limited emotional range when appropriate, which is certainly not now. I cannot fabricate an emotional state at will.

Would it help if I said that I'm terrible at being Scum because I have the worst poker face ever or would you be more inclined to just brush that away as WIFOM? Either way, I'll go on record right now and say that if I was Scum, a substantial chunk of the player list would be Scum-reading me by now. Take it or leave it.

Seriously; is no one reading Skull's posts?

[macmollie]

VOTE: aegor

[Cephrir]

Muffin can be scum just for being this sure of anything before page 20, particularly something nonsensical.

Aegor, why are you losing your shit over something so minor.

I'm reading Skull's posts. They are a little wonky at times but I nonetheless think he's probably town from our interactions.

[zMuffinMan]

Muffin can be scum

your reads are awful

[zMuffinMan]

just for being this sure of anything before page 20

ignoring the cog dis in you thinking pieguy looks town, this is really lol

[Cephrir]

pieguy is presenting an argument, not yelling "X is town Y is scum nothing will change my mind about this".

My reads may well be awful, but I'm gonna roll with them anyway.

[Metal Sonic]

i like aegor

i like pieguy personally, that dude seems easily to read because he plays somewhat like me (projectionism maybe but meh)

[Metal Sonic]

actually who am i kidding i like most of the players in this playerlist

but i am bored

[Metal Sonic]

i need more posts to get more reliable/accurate reads though. i'm not mastin and produce probably wrong bullshit (probably getting the scum -> town and town -> scum) before the game even reach 10 pages

im not hasty like him

or maybe mastin is the scum and already knows the alignment of everyone <------------- im betting on this

[Skullduggery]

I know SSK. I know his meta, I know his mindset. This is not a scum SSK. Not in a million years. He's so damn transparent that you don't NEED more than that to read him; he is town.

What does Scum SSK look like? For those of us who aren't so intimately familiar with his meta, what should we be looking for?

moonlogic = type of person who leaps to assumptions and can give logic for this but said logic doesn't seem to make any sense to me and this doesn't seem to be related to their alignment. See: Titus.

I suppose that's fair. My conclusions make sense in my head, but I'm not always able to verbalize them effectively. If I ever express a stance that doesn't make sense, please let me know and I'll try to explain it in a different way.

Also, scum know that staying off it is the accepted scum play and could easily subvert this. Don't be a level one player, if you know what I mean, which you probably don't.

Yes, yes, I know what you mean. No need to be condescending about it.

Now that you mention this, it sorta makes sense. I haven't checked whether Aegor was actually voting you at that point and it'd be pretty weird if he wasn't. I'm trying to upgrade my anti-buddying vigilance but it's so hard. Hell, /this/ could be you buddying me right now, but it probably isn't.

Meh, if you want to call it buddying, knock yourself out. All I know is that I see both you and Aegor expressing suspicion of me for basically the same reason, except your suspicion actually makes sense from a Town point of view while his just looks like he's trying to find any ol' scapegoat to attack so he can say, "See! Look, you guys, I'm Scum-hunting too!" I don't see Town motivation in any of his posts thus far.

also skull is uber town!!1!

Thank you, but unfortunately, the feeling isn't mutual. I'm still waiting for you to impress me, Mollie!

I almost voted you when I saw your first reply to me but I want to talk to Nacho, too.

This has to be at least the third or fourth time you've said, "I want to do such-and-such, but I should consult with Nacho first." With all due respect, what

are

you comfortable doing without Nacho's input? If your hydra partner isn't keeping up, what's stopping you from just playing solo? This is the kind of thing that makes me dislike hydras.

scum are aware of super-saints bc if they get hit by one they're down a member out of nowhere. whereas town generally loses a lot less from suddenly losing one extra member

Oh, right. You worded it funny. I thought you were saying that Scum would be more aware that a Super Saint was in the game at all, which didn't make sense. Thanks for clearing that up.

I reached out to him to help him fix his read on me and he completely shut me down instead of trying to explore my lines of thought. in other words, his plan failed so he's packing up and going back to his QT to hide

What leads you to believe that Scum has daytalk in this game?

[Skullduggery]

1) Voting for a lynch with 10 people on it is hardly "standing in the middle of the road."
2) The middle of the road may be the place where the seeker is unlikely to look. It is not as if the scum on the wagon are magically identified.

I don't think you understand my metaphor. Read the explanation I gave Cephrir in 372 and then let me know if you're still confused.

OMG. You just blatantly strawmanned me. That is not what I asked. And your attempt to hand-wave it away has not gone unnoticed. Read my question, which is quoted right here as well for your convenience.

Um, what? No I didn't. Chill out, dude. You're getting all worked up over nothing.

You asked whether I would count myself as a Scum candidate among the early voters on the Brian wagon. My response was, "Why the fuck would I count myself as a Scum candidate when I know that I'm not Scum?" I don't see what you're confused about.

Another strawman. I never said Brian would be lynched in the future. That is what makes his lynch indefinitely in the future.

By that logic, all of our lynches are indefinitely in the future. What makes Brian's so special?

Voting him for being scum and voting him are two completely different acts. I never said he does not deserve to be voted and I am not saying that now. I have no read on him at the moment.

Again I call bullshit. No vote is cast in a vacuum. You can't say that you don't like my vote on Flandre and then cover your ass by saying that you have no opinion of Flandre. If you don't like my vote on Flandre, that means that you have some degree of confidence that Flandre isn't Scum. Why, then, do you insist that you have no opinion of Flandre while vehemently denouncing my vote on him? Why do you care so much about a vote that has been cast on a player for whom you have no opinion?

That I found the wagon amusing. I have never had any other reactions or emotions to the Brian lynch.

Then why did you say that it told us "plenty"? Just so you can have this pointless little semantics argument with me? Is that your idea of Scum-hunting?

You can sit there and cry about it, I guess.

Do I sound like I'm crying about anything? No, no I'm not. Grow up.

Your vote is not equivalent to a bandwagon, you insufferable fucktard.

Do you think that childish name-calling is going to make the other players

more

willing or

less

willing to listen to you? Serious question.

Seriously; is no one reading Skull's posts?

Do me a personal favor, would you please? Either learn how to use a semicolon correctly or don't use them at all. Thanks.