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Post Post #525 (ISO) » Wed Jan 29, 2014 11:02 am

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In post 523, TierShift wrote:
In post 521, ika wrote:rob is most likely town due to the higher count of scum then null read. however does work vice versa
I do not follow.
im doing this off the top of my head with the numbers

we have 2 scums and 7 towns in this 9 player game

the players gave 2 nulls and 5 scum counts on him with 0 reasoning.

doesnt that seem like its a tell that hes really town that a majority of players are scum reading him atm but not voting him?

everyone else is focused on bjc right now and you are in tunnel mode on him. his post are survialistic now, and if hes town he should be giving out reads one people and point out the scums on his trian.

my thing on you is you keep pushing he scum, others are kinda meh with it. how i see it is that if he flips town, you would be next to be looked at due to pushing his train so hard and wanting to stop the rob train so hard.

if people are willing to switch votes to you, i think you would give most information due to how many have you nulled in reads. your actions also on your unwillingness to by lynch should alos be an indicator
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Post Post #526 (ISO) » Wed Jan 29, 2014 11:05 am

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So you really think lynching me is a good option?

If so, should I just self-hammer?

I think lynching me may help. It could also lead to a day 2 mislynch. I dunno, I think there are better people to be lynched, but considering there are only three of us posting really, I guess I'm screwed!

p-edit: I've told you who I think is scum. Emeraldemon. I've shown why I think he's scummy.

I think AbboTT is meh.
Tier is meh.

Screw this, lol.
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Post Post #527 (ISO) » Wed Jan 29, 2014 11:29 am

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In post 526, bjc wrote:So you really think lynching me is a good option?

If so, should I just self-hammer?

I think lynching me may help. It could also lead to a day 2 mislynch. I dunno, I think there are better people to be lynched, but considering there are only three of us posting really, I guess I'm screwed!

p-edit: I've told you who I think is scum. Emeraldemon. I've shown why I think he's scummy.

I think AbboTT is meh.
Tier is meh.

Screw this, lol.
if your town it will only shed light onto teir and others who pushed on you. sometimes as town you find yourself in a hole that cant be gotten out of. but when you do it will backfire on others. teir for example right now is the only one who has heavly pushed on your lynch and not rob. so if you flip town, odds are he will be next on the block.

can you link me to the emerald case again?
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Post Post #528 (ISO) » Wed Jan 29, 2014 11:31 am

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hmmm i just isoed him, i do see what you mean.

food for though bjc, teir/emrald scum team possible?
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Post Post #529 (ISO) » Wed Jan 29, 2014 11:33 am

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that is under assumption you flip town
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Post Post #530 (ISO) » Wed Jan 29, 2014 11:37 am

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Mainly post .

Also, I have asked ED to answer multiple questions of mine and never got anything back.
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Post Post #531 (ISO) » Wed Jan 29, 2014 11:38 am

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^^^^ Post not 460, sorry.
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Post Post #532 (ISO) » Wed Jan 29, 2014 11:39 am

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In post 528, ika wrote:hmmm i just isoed him, i do see what you mean.

food for though bjc, teir/emrald scum team possible?
Let's get an ED flip and find out. :D
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Post Post #533 (ISO) » Wed Jan 29, 2014 11:45 am

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460 was a good post to point out as well...

theres too much uncertenty atm, i have work and gonna think about it.

so for now UNVOTE:

so nobody ninja hammers while im gone
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Post Post #534 (ISO) » Wed Jan 29, 2014 11:49 am

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work is where i like to reflect on my games. and sometimes helps me clear my mind
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Post Post #535 (ISO) » Wed Jan 29, 2014 11:53 am

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In post 525, ika wrote:
In post 523, TierShift wrote:
In post 521, ika wrote:rob is most likely town due to the higher count of scum then null read. however does work vice versa
I do not follow.
im doing this off the top of my head with the numbers

we have 2 scums and 7 towns in this 9 player game

the players gave 2 nulls and 5 scum counts on him with 0 reasoning.

doesnt that seem like its a tell that hes really town that a majority of players are scum reading him atm but not voting him?
No, why does the fact that many think he's scum but are not voting him make him town?
everyone else is focused on bjc right now and you are in tunnel mode on him. his post are survialistic now, and if hes town he should be giving out reads one people and point out the scums on his trian.

my thing on you is you keep pushing he scum, others are kinda meh with it. how i see it is that if he flips town, you would be next to be looked at due to pushing his train so hard and wanting to stop the rob train so hard.

if people are willing to switch votes to you, i think you would give most information due to how many have you nulled in reads. your actions also on your unwillingness to by lynch should alos be an indicator
What's 'by lynch'?
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Post Post #536 (ISO) » Wed Jan 29, 2014 12:03 pm

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be lynched

typo sorry.

yes eveeryone hates being lynched, yes nobody wants to be lynched. but how i see it atm is bjc is realizing that maybe both scums are on his train atm if he were to flip town. your reaction to "lets lynch you" to 0 pressure atm was really defensive to me. almost as if you are afraid of being lynched. towns should not fear a lynch as much as scums should.

i mean he sat at l-1 for what? like 2-3 days? why did scum never hammer him? someone could of gone "didnt notice" but nobody said anything, nobody but me had intention of hammering. nobody really even objected to it. see where im going with this. if hes to flip town. odds are both scums are in the train already and the vc is there to prove it.
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Post Post #537 (ISO) » Wed Jan 29, 2014 12:06 pm

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Well one of them (ED) jumped once he saw it wasn't going anywhere.

Come on let's get an ED flip; he doesn't even post much at all. I've been waiting for an answer to my questions for days now, and he's been here twice and neglected every question both times.
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Post Post #538 (ISO) » Wed Jan 29, 2014 12:09 pm

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No, actually scum don't quickhammer on this site.

Saying I'm afraid to be lynched is pretty groundless your activity was worthless to me and I refuse to be lynched solely because of that and that's the last I'll say about that activity.

P-edit:
Fuck you get me paranoid about ed now...
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Post Post #539 (ISO) » Wed Jan 29, 2014 12:15 pm

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Come on guys, there's no harm in putting someone else at L-1 with intent to hammer.
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Post Post #540 (ISO) » Wed Jan 29, 2014 3:04 pm

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Post Post #541 (ISO) » Wed Jan 29, 2014 4:25 pm

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Dodge. :/
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Post Post #542 (ISO) » Wed Jan 29, 2014 11:29 pm

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I am very surprised and not very happy with ika's post.

Your method of finding scum assumes flawlessly wrong group-think intelligence (in that what the group thinks is scum is inherently incorrect: if the MAJORITY thinks someone is scum, then that means there are MORE TOWN PEOPLE behind the idea, which inherently increases the chances of the person being scum if we follow your way of thinking but take an ever so slightly different track). It's just not really effective. The information is valuable, but the way you're attempting to analyze it is flawed.

You also have to take into account the potential for previous read posts to influence later read posts (especially for scum): if someone sees the majority thinking one thing about someone/something, there is inherently an influence from this on their perceptions regarding that subject/person. This is especially true for people who are faking their opinion (scum), as they will be more likely to attempt to fit their "opinion" into the mold set by the previous input. This also lends itself to discrediting the concept of using a compilation of reasonless reads posts for direct, straightforward, confident scumhunting. Instead, the value garnered from this is forcing people into stating an opinion, and then having a follow up: making everyone back up what they said.

So... here's the follow up to Ika's activity.

I would like everyone to
, without quoting posts,
give a BRIEF (minimum of three sentences [because rob hasn't posted more than 11 words in any post of his] and maximum of one paragraph, or six to eight written sentences [because some of you have a tendency to go on too long about one person]) explanation or back-up to their stated reads.


However, there's a hitch. I want this done in a particular order. Akin to popcorn claiming, we're going to have the person considered scummiest go first and have it scale back to the person considered towniest. I'll be using ika's post for reference due to him having conveniently compiled this information.

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RobW

2.
bjc

3.
emeralddoge

3.
abott

4.
tiershift

4.
ika

4.
nachobro

5.
Lyme

5.
RayFrost


People with the same number should feel free to do it once the higher ordered people have done it (I didn't want to have my own bias enter this or force things to take a ridiculously long time)

I don't care if you've laid it all out in a twenty post essay paper or already done the exercise for some of them, I want a full compilation (if you've already done it for someone, feel free to just copy and paste it). The reason I want things to be said succinctly is that it limits the noise:signal ratio. If you can't compile your thoughts into something short, then you should consider whether you've actually fully thought out the reasoning behind your case.

The reason I don't want quotes is that they break up the flow and also artificially add length to the words without actually providing especially helpful information. Talk about the person's
play
, don't break down how each post can individually potentially be seen as coming from scum. It's not as helpful at this stage to consider things like that unless there's an explicitly supremely scummy thing. Otherwise you're just compiling a bunch of evidence to back up your end conclusion (which is a general description of why you think their play is scummy).

And I don't want you just saying "see what X said about Y to know my opinion" - if someone already basically covered it, then I want you to attempt to say it in your own words. I highly doubt that anyone will say exactly what you thought to say, so don't even try to pull that unless you're scum volunteering to hang. In which case, feel free. The game will go more smoothly.

The reason I am doing this is to essentially force the people considered most likely to be scum to commit to an opinion before the people considered town can influence them or give them a free coattail to ride. I don't care if this gets done this game day or if it gets done D2, but I want this done within that time span. Preferably done in two days, but I can understand being busy preventing everyone from getting it all in (especially when freaking rob is first, mother of god).
don't you feel silly now?
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Post Post #543 (ISO) » Thu Jan 30, 2014 12:09 am

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Ray's post is good stuff and explains well what I was trying to get across regarding the analysis of the lists.

Now, if Rob were actually playing this would be a good idea. But he isn't, so, let's justhope he gets replaced real soon.
How do you suppose this worksif rob isn't around?

Also, 6-8 sentences total or per person?
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Post Post #544 (ISO) » Thu Jan 30, 2014 12:10 am

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Per person. Total would defeat the point of preventing rob from posting two words.
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Post Post #545 (ISO) » Thu Jan 30, 2014 12:18 am

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No, I mean, do I have to do 8 sentences per read, or for all my reads together? But I suppose it's all of them together...
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Post Post #546 (ISO) » Thu Jan 30, 2014 12:22 am

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I mean it like this:

Abott read: 3-8 sentence explanation

Ray read: 3-8 sentence explanation

And so on down the line.
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Post Post #547 (ISO) » Thu Jan 30, 2014 4:15 am

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im down with that idea. i knew my activity had a fair share of flaws and such. but i think it was a good starting point to get things going
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Post Post #548 (ISO) » Thu Jan 30, 2014 5:04 am

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Post Post #549 (ISO) » Thu Jan 30, 2014 5:04 am

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