Touhou: Mafia in the Land of Fantasy (Game Over)

[Jaqen Hghar]

If House Lush got a guilty on Muffin and Muffin flips scum...

Varsoon is a redirector. This is known.

GCBC's D3 entry with the quick evidence pushing Muffin comes off pre-prepared since a boy couldn't duplicate comparable speed with an unexpected question. A boy had to have know before daybreak that house Lush fell.

And Muffin flips town...

[zMuffinMan]

Lush made it abundantly clear that the investigation target was muffin

no, mollie made it abundantly clear she was tunneling me.

you're reading too much into mollie's suspicion of me without considering the fact that she would not unvote me so willingly if she had a guilty on me. like, this is fairly basic theory stuff.

Does a Wolf see the implications of and the good which may come out of his lynch? It'll confirm 2 scum if a Wolf can be trusted.

you're tunneling too hard on Varsoon. i'm pretty sure he's town here and you're way off base. if you're suggesting he's scum who redirected mollie, i don't believe mollie even investigated me.

but yes, GCBC not seeing obvious signs that i'm town (like my claim with a ninja flip and no cc) or the fact that mollie would

not

let up on me if she actually had a guilty means he's probably scum. prohawk's response to me was pretty bad.

[Jaqen Hghar]

A man may be off on Varsoon and will consider what has been said.

[Katarina LeBlanc]

What are Mollie's d1 reads?

If she claimed that all her reads were wrong after d1 then proceeded to tunnel you AFTER that then it should be quite clear who the inspection was on.

[zMuffinMan]

wat

[zMuffinMan]

mollie thought i was scum D1, mollie didn't say her reads were wrong after D1

[GoodCop_BadCop]

prohawk's response to me was pretty bad.

These personal attacks I associate with your scum-game. I was wrong once, refuse to be wrong again.

~GC

[zMuffinMan]

...

[zMuffinMan]

please lynch that tomorrow.

there is no way that is town.

[bubbajack8]

all I saw from mollie to you late in d1 was a small "muffin what say you" line in a huge molliepost

mollie thought i was scum for most of D1 iirc, i'm pretty sure you could see this if you look at anywhere mollie actually mentioned her read on me

I seem to remember Mollie more convinced on Messiah Complex being scum.

mollie thought i was scum D1, mollie didn't say her reads were wrong after D1

The Jif is back, but I'm probably just going to lurk out the rest of the day while Mollie and Bork do their thing and come back D2 for more bubbalynch.

I'm probably going to step away from the hydra for a while. I'm a bit bummed at pretty much all of my reads being wrong so I'm just going to let Bork and Mollie play for a while.

Jif did though, and you acknowledged it.

Spoiler: yeah they thought you were scum...

talk to me muffin

normally at this stage i'd expect to have a fair few reads i'm somewhat confident about and it's not happening in this game

its okay dexter. just plz make sure hit scum okay? otherwise I won't be able to protect you!

Town
{

morph, Kaze

,

Muffin

,

Jaqen thing

}

Scum
{Remembrance,

bubbajack

,

Kise, Kagami

}

VOTE: Bubbajack

I also think they are not town for the reasons that I gave but what is interesting is what shook out. muffinman, kagamuri and pie are the people of interest in that debacle.

I do think that there is scum in the three quick votes on morph (muffin/kagami/pie which isn't reflected in the VC since they voted for the wrong player) but I'm not sure it's her and for a while I thought it was actually least likely to be her.

~Mollie's Reads~

muffinman

: anybody who is already townreading him needs to have their head examined. in monks and masons he looked so incredibly town that nacho and I bought it, hook line and sinker but lucky for us he was nked by the opposing scumteam. I guess luck is a strong word considering we lost that game to scum saki. he is up for a scummy for cunning manipulator or something cos I think he has managed to fool every1 who has ever played with him. in xeno2 I kind of felt very strong town vibes from him after I got over paranoia and here I am not feeling it. like I feel nothing. it reminds me of me when I have gotten just 1 too many scum role pms in a row and am fatigued. <--- that is how he is acting.

unsure could get weird on him any second. he might be scum.

The following are a collection of people that have supported the Bubba scumread and have failed to pony up with a vote;
{Kise, Muffin, pieguy, Kaze, Jaqen, Katarina}

Given my townreads on Muffin and Kaze, and Jaqen's IC status, we are left with;
{Kise, pieguy, Katarina}

I'll reevaluate him/kagami/muffin if we're alive after you guys flip since all three attempted to kick the wagon on you guys up to 11 in a very short amount of time and what you guys flip will depend how I would look at that.

(and in fact, none of them moved to correct their vote onto your new slot after your hydra replaced the old one which reflects worse on kagami/muffin since pie hasn't been around)

Otherwise, there is scum in the muffin/kagami/pie group even if I can't figure out which of them it is.

-bork (for clarity)

Most of those are relatively null for me, too. But I

am

reading Dram and Muffin as town.

if it's the active lurking, i'm with ya

although gaiden's in the same boat as kise, dramonic, AD and to some extent yunichikako, tsukasa and the cok in that respect. (and i guess the replacement-to-come slots as well)

just fucking bus messiah already

Town
{

SXTLHGaiden, Kaze,

Amar,

Pie,

GCBC, Varsoon,

Jaqen,

Muffin}

So saiyeth the Jiffy, so shall it be heard.

TLDR:

Jiffy had town read on Muffin.

And he said his reads were all wrong..

Bork thought there was scum in a group (that included muffin), Mollie was convinced on Messiah, and said to watch out for muffin. She wasn't like YO LYNCH MUFFIN HE'S SCUM.

Go to Lush Life's ISO and Ctrl+F Muffin. You'll see for yourself. It's pretty obvious who scum is.

[Kise]

unvote

There was a ninja for a reason. I don't give constant follows, so if no one is countering muffin then I believe him.

[Kagami]

There remains the outside possibility that Muffin is an SK, or that the Ninja was a red herring.

I'm fine with letting him live, since it does seem odd that there's no CC, but we're accumulating an obnoxiously long list of people I don't want to see making it to lylo.

[zMuffinMan]

you're wrong on a couple points, bubba.

i don't believe mollie was scum reading mc at the end of D1. and mollie

was

scum reading me at the end of D1 (i even provided the quotes, which you seem to have skipped over). so yes, bork and mollie were scum reading me and they obviously discussed it N1.

what you and everyone but nacho seem to be ignoring is that mollie isn't a bad player; if she had a guilty, she wouldn't so willingly vote someone she's unsure about in the way she did. this is really, really basic theory.

[bubbajack8]

i don't believe mollie was scum reading mc at the end of D1. and mollie

was

scum reading me at the end of D1 (i even provided the quotes, which you seem to have skipped over). so yes, bork and mollie were scum reading me and they obviously discussed it N1.

And then investigated you.

mollie isn't a bad player; if she had a guilty, she wouldn't so willingly vote someone she's unsure about in the way she did. this is really, really basic theory.

I already explained this.

[zMuffinMan]

no and no you didn't. your ideas about theory are rather flawed. did you read #3056/#3058, btw? because even if you don't take my word for it, nacho knows how mollie plays and you clearly don't.

[Kagami]

Ehhhh... I really don't think there's any reasonable argument that lush didn't investigate you, muffin. He clearly did not crumb an innocent, and came out guns blazing anti-muffin despite only having a weak rationalization for his suspicion.

It's not crazy that he jumped off the wagon to lynch the CoK either, though it does indicate that he didn't investigate Dan. He saw that he wasn't getting support for muffin and was fine with lynching an alternative guilty, knowing that his potential flip should result in a muffin lynch anyway, and maybe getting a second investigation with luck.

The pro-muffin argument relies on the investigation being tampered with, not Lush sucking at cop-crumbing.

[ActionDan]

I still think mass claim is the safe way to go for this.

[Kagami]

Well, I already claimed~

[ActionDan]

Who hasn't claimed at this point even?

[Kagami]

Nachomamma8
King Henry
Mac
Messiah Complex (Desperado + FormerFish) [H]
dramonic

[Katarina LeBlanc]

Dramonic was claimed not to have made a move during n1.
Nachomamma is against Muffin lynch so I don't see a CC coming out from any of them.
Mac and King Henry have yet to check in.
Not sure about MC.

Can we list down current claims and justifications of their actions?

[ActionDan]

King Henry

that's a thing I wasn't aware of

[ActionDan]

MD/Mac/King Henry should at least claim tracker/non-tracker

[ActionDan]

but if 5/16 people are left then they might as well claim

[Katarina LeBlanc]

Also, there it can be safe to assume that Lush crumbed an inspect rather than openly revealing it.

Regardless of when they flip, the read was there right after Day 1 which is irrefutable evidence of the action. They could've pursued CoK lynch because they were equally as scummy and ActionDan claimed. Lush might've taken the nightkill because scum picked up on the crumb and needed to stop Lush from actually claiming.