Newbie 1471: Italian Ice (Game Over!)

[GuyInFreezer]

VC 1.9

RobW (L-2):

Nachomamma8 | RayFrost | emeraldemon

ika (L-4):

Rob W

bjc (L-2):

Lynch Me Bro | TierShift | AbboTT

emeraldemon (:-4):

bjc

Not Voting:

ika

The deadline is in Feburary 3, 5:00 PM EST.
Deadline counter: (expired on 2014-02-03 17:00:00)

[bjc]

Sounds like an ok thing. I am just curious on what most people think of ED.

[emeraldemon]

Why the fuck was there exactly zero response to me laying out a big post about bjc and changing my reads? It doesn't sit well with me at all, I get that most of the players are lurking right now, but why didn't bjc OR ika OR tiershift say anything?

Why should I post shit if it's gonna be ignored?

ika you blew off my actual analysis so that you could engage in another pointless time-wasting game. Day ends soon. Stop the BS.

Rayfrost don't start with me, I am pissed off at you also. You really think what we need is more games with 4 days to lynch?

bjc, you have zero excuse for ignoring my post, you just continue to say "ED is still scummy" without even trying. Was that whole thing scum theater to throw you off your game? Or are you just being lazy? Have your reads changed at all in the last week?

I will come back later and try to post more productively, but I am too annoyed to be helpful right now.

[emeraldemon]

And tiershift you're the worst, I dropped you to second scummiest player on my list, said the wagon you're on isn't legit, and you just breeze right by. You've been super townreading me all game, why the fuck would ignore what I have to say? Is it because you're scum looking for help to push?

[TierShift]

Who are you to call out other players for lurking?
Getting annoyed big time here.

You make a shitty post about how you nullread someone.
What do you want us to respond?
1. Wow, great job nullreading someone!
2. Wow, you point out a few things that are null about bjc! My case has been completely invalidated!
3. Great, you post little content!

If you give us nothing to work off of, you're not gonna get useful responses.

Oh and I didn't drop to second scummiest, I was already there.

[emeraldemon]

Can you think of a situation where a town player might not want to get lynched?

[emeraldemon]

Oh and I didn't drop to second scummiest, I was already there.

Nope:

TOWN
Nachomamma - I agree with almost every post from him that isn't about ika
lynch me bro - newbtown all the way
RayFrost - I like your ability to write in complete paragraphs
Abbott - null still
tiershift - aggressively townreading me, not sure if this is a test
ika - badfeels
bjc - probably scum
Rob W - The real test will be if we get him to L-1
SCUM

Look, it's totally fair to call me out for lurking, I have been a shitty town player this game, and the fact that all of our experienced players are getting prodded / replaced has made this kind of a shitty game (plus the one intentional newbie lurker). But if you're really town, reread what I wrote and think about it. I think you're probably wrong about bjc.

[TierShift]

Your latest reads list was in 478 and I was second scummiest there.

I reread your post again and it was pointing out scummy things about bjc, a few null things and a slightly townie thing 365. Explain how this case is supposed to alter my view on bjc and what is townie about 365.

[emeraldemon]

Right, I was saying that between 407 and 478 you dropped from 4th to 2nd. It doesn't matter now.

I'm going off of 505 because it's the last time you stated your case completely I think. These are the things I think are bugging you.
(1) sheeping: bjc sheeped hard in the early game, everyone knows it and he admits it. He played the early game very casually. But there is a town motivation for pushing wagons to generate content. It's not as good as actual pressure, but it's something.
(2) pushing Rob W: I think you're a bit off on this, as I said, he never voted Rob W. Where's the sheeping there?
(3) "Survivalism": 365 and 369 are actually consistent with the behavior of a town PR I think. Not saying he is one and I definitely don't want to force an early claim (and that's why there shouldn't be an early intent to hammer), but certain types of town players get panicky when they are close to a lynch.

You and bjc have been fighting a lot, and honestly it's generating more heat than light. My advice for both of you would be this: Take a step back. Even if you're sure he's scum, look around for his scum partner. Don't get caught up in OMGUS.

[emeraldemon]

Well one of them (ED) jumped once he saw it wasn't going anywhere.

Come on let's get an ED flip; he doesn't even post much at all. I've been waiting for an answer to my questions for days now, and he's been here twice and neglected every question both times.

Sorry can you point out which questions were directed at me? I can't find them.

[bjc]

If you needed a reason to lynch doge before...

Robw isn't the lynch; he's going to be replaced at this rate (unless of course he drops another 5 word reply soon).

Let's get an ED flip plz.

[bjc]

How is emeraldoge L-4? I believe a few others have ED listed as null-scum or worse; wtf guise.

[emeraldemon]

So do you have any questions, or what?

[bjc]

Why Rob?

[emeraldemon]

If Rob were town I would have expected at least some kind of explanation by now. The fact that he comes in when prodded and offers nothing feels antitown. Tiershift will know that we had a hardcore lurker in my last game (and I tried to get him lynched), but he actually responded to posts and said things relevant to the game, however useless and infrequent. The guy seems to be making it his explicit goal to avoid being replaced without posting above the bare minimum.

Even if he gets replaced, the truth is newbies tend to replace out of scum slots more than town slots I think.

[bjc]

The key there is more than, and that's also something you think. Neither means he's replacing out/not posting because he's scum.


In fact, I've seen him post repeatedly (not sure if in here) that he's having a hard time getting settled into MS. He treats all games the same; I doubt he's scum in every single game.

[emeraldemon]

Well I don't think we're supposed to read or reference other ongoing games, so I can't really use that.

[bjc]

I don't think I discussed anything to the point of violating any rules.

[GuyInFreezer]

Rob W have been prodded.

[Nachomamma8]

I'm back from busy world. Will likely make a post tonight.

[bjc]

Was afraid I'd see "prod dodge"

[ika]

Rant Post

That sums up that post for the most part. im gonna see what i missed

[ika]

Well I don't think we're supposed to read or reference other ongoing games, so I can't really use that.

theres a line between refering to players posting elsewhere and refering it to where its OGC, hes talking in a general sense that he has posted elsewhere all the same. nothign gaem breaking.

VOTE: emeraldemon

becasue all you have done of recently is lurk and rant and only focus on bjc and not helped. right now bjc brings more vaild points on you atm. he was at l-1 for quite some time where a scum could of came and dropped a nice hammer, heck i had intention to hammer and nobody seems to have said "wait lets think" (maybe frost did) but your recent post are saying teir is scum and bjc is scum. and just flaiing that ppl are scum when its starting to read OMGUS to me. lets see how you react.

[bjc]

lets see how you react.

I don't like this for two reasons:
- I want him lynched; this needs to have intent of lynching, not to only put pressure on him.
- Stating that it's for pressure will do nothing.

[ika]

lets see how you react.

I don't like this for two reasons:
- I want him lynched; this needs to have intent of lynching, not to only put pressure on him.
- Stating that it's for pressure will do nothing.

why do you want him lynched then? we arent making progress anywhere so might as well put pressure elsewhere.

right now with the drawing deadline its either you or rob atm. that is unless ppl are willing to swap votes around. also my vote anywhere else isnt going to do much atm. i cant threaten him with lynch unless others are willing to jump on.