Mini 1543--Natirasha's On Parole!(Game Over)

[Bert]

Got distracted by IRL today and got a weird weekend coming up, so nothing useful to say other than to

warn you guys that I tend to, in my past completed games, self-hammer/vote when put at lynch -1 [freak-out, irrationally think lynch is inevitable in a tunnel-ful fashion, etc., etc.] THEREFORE, please consider any potential lynch -2 votes, should they come (knock on wood), in essence a lynch -1 vote.

SSK's reaction ultimately was not to react. Poo. At least some town points for that, though, because

scum would likely have been more active in their defense, rather than literally saying they won't respond.

Uhh.....

[Idiotking]

Hey, that's been my experience. True, you get overly-defensive townies doing it too, but then it's a matter of degree. Scum would try to keep it low-key without making a scene, while still trying to discredit the argument. Overly-defensive townies would make it an all-or-nothing struggle to the death. SSK's response just doesn't seem to mesh with what scum would do in that model.

[Idiotking]

Also, you have one vote on you. Isn't it a bit early for melodramatic warnings?

[Bert]

I have decided that I need to give out a warning in my future games as well, as early as possible. Therefore, town is informed beforehand of my potential to self-hammer - this warning must then negate that. It is for the best of both worlds.

[Idiotking]

Or you could just not be a spineless little weasel and, y'know, play to your win condition. Seriously, if that's a thing you regularly do I don't know how you're not permabanned yet.

[Bert]

Or, you could understand that I'm trying to prevent that via those statements/warnings/disclaimers to treat a lynch -2 vote as a lynch -1 vote - as self-hammer happens every once in a while and I'm not proud of it - and you could actually try to be considerate/understanding instead of calling me a 'spineless little weasel.'

[Idiotking]

For the sake of avoiding a flamewar, I am not going to respond. But you can probably guess what I'm thinking given my tone.

[Bert]

Thanks for listening with empathy.

[Natirasha]

Vote Count 1.25

MafiaSSK(0):

Cabd(0):

Selkies(3):

Katsuki, kabooooomm, The Goodfather

zMuffinMan(1):

MafiaSSK

FourTrouble(0):

notscience(0):

The Goodfather(0):

kabooooom(0):

Bert(1):

zMuffinMan

RossWilliam(2):

FourTrouble, Aronis

Aronis(4):

Cabd, notscience, RossWilliam, Bert

Idiotking(0):

Katsuki(1):

Selkies

No Lynch(0):

Not Voting(1):

IdiotKing

With thirteen alive, it takes seven to lynch.

Deadline:

(expired on 2014-02-04 21:00:00)

Prodding kabooooom.

[Katsuki]

@Katsuki, any ETA for a catchup?

Probably never. (while I'd love to say maybe, it has never happened in the 3+ yrs I've been here so)

[Selkies]

Unvote
Vote: Bert

this vote confuses me.

[RossWilliam]

It confused me too at first but then I found Bert's reaction interesting. Can anyone skilled with meta confirm that he actually does freak out and self hammer alot?

Aronis, if you're town, show me you're town. Don't just give up.

[Cabd]

confirm that he actually does freak out and self hammer alot?

Yes and it's fucking annoying. As both allignmments.

[The Goodfather]

I'm pretty sure it's also a proven scum meta of mine that if I'm providing concrete thoughts and cases I'm scum, so no thanks I'm not gonna do that this game haha.

so why are you an asset to the town if this is how you play? What reason should you stay in the game for. You only make conrete thoughts and cases when you're scum, so you are basically a useless townie...

Gamestate without reading the game? Damn this is gonna be a hard one.

I'd say, selkie scum is wagoned, partnerbert and selkiescum are doing all they can to get a counterwagon going but it's not working well.
Then you have a bunch of other ppl who are useless/scum. Not sure which were the ones who called me scum or a good policy lynch/jester outside of fourtrouble, but that's a really bad assessment to be making if town (who the fuck just leaves it at

"oh this jester or policy lynch is good watch me say this as I do not look for scum"

).
Actually typing this post right now I really need to go back and look (or you can do it for me <3). But yeah I at least found my scum, there are too many who aren't even scumhunting and looking for easy wagons or leaving the backdoor open

if a katsuki-wagon pops up (those are probably your selkie scumbuddies)

.

closest thing you've done that resembles scum hunting. You basically are only saying that if selkies is scum, then bert is scum too.

Oh and lets not forget you basically saying anyone who votes for me is scum. I can't ever recall hearing of a pre-meditated omgus, thats almost impressive... almost

@Katsuki, any ETA for a catchup?

Probably never. (while I'd love to say maybe, it has never happened in the 3+ yrs I've been here so)

Is this how you typically play? Not making cases, putting pressure, or even reading the thread??

How does that work out for you?

I still am suspicious of selkies, and i realize the following two things:

1 - if i am suspicious of selkies, why vote for the same person as them?
- because i have been rethinking my initial selkies read for the last few days. In that time, katsuki has done less than nothing.

2 - If i am suspicious of selkies, why am i voting for someone that is also suspicious of selkies?

- because i don't get think katsuki's read is genuine. He even admitted that he wouldn't be making concrete cases, so at best his reads are gut instinct. It feels as if he is just agreeing with what a lot of people were saying at the time, that selkies was scummy.

UNVOTE: Selkies

VOTE: Katsuki

also not a fan of bert's self-hammer threat, but i understand the tactic. I just happen to disagree with it in this case.

[The Goodfather]

I'm pretty sure it's also a proven scum meta of mine that if I'm providing concrete thoughts and cases I'm scum, so no thanks I'm not gonna do that this game haha.

so why are you an asset to the town if this is how you play? What reason should you stay in the game for. You only make conrete thoughts and cases when you're scum, so you are basically a useless townie...

Gamestate without reading the game? Damn this is gonna be a hard one.

I'd say, selkie scum is wagoned, partnerbert and selkiescum are doing all they can to get a counterwagon going but it's not working well.
Then you have a bunch of other ppl who are useless/scum. Not sure which were the ones who called me scum or a good policy lynch/jester outside of fourtrouble, but that's a really bad assessment to be making if town (who the fuck just leaves it at

"oh this jester or policy lynch is good watch me say this as I do not look for scum"

).
Actually typing this post right now I really need to go back and look (or you can do it for me <3). But yeah I at least found my scum, there are too many who aren't even scumhunting and looking for easy wagons or leaving the backdoor open

if a katsuki-wagon pops up (those are probably your selkie scumbuddies)

.

closest thing you've done that resembles scum hunting. You basically are only saying that if selkies is scum, then bert is scum too.

Oh and lets not forget you basically saying anyone who votes for me is scum. I can't ever recall hearing of a pre-meditated omgus, thats almost impressive... almost

@Katsuki, any ETA for a catchup?

Probably never. (while I'd love to say maybe, it has never happened in the 3+ yrs I've been here so)

Is this how you typically play? Not making cases, putting pressure, or even reading the thread??

How does that work out for you?

I still am suspicious of selkies, and i realize the following two things:

1 - if i am suspicious of selkies, why vote for the same person as them?
- because i have been rethinking my initial selkies read for the last few days. In that time, katsuki has done less than nothing.

2 - If i am suspicious of selkies, why am i voting for someone that is also suspicious of selkies?

- because i don't get think katsuki's read is genuine. He even admitted that he wouldn't be making concrete cases, so at best his reads are gut instinct. It feels as if he is just agreeing with what a lot of people were saying at the time, that selkies was scummy.

UNVOTE: Selkies

VOTE: Katsuki

also not a fan of bert's self-hammer threat, but i understand the tactic. I just happen to disagree with it in this case.

[Katsuki]

I'm pretty sure it's also a proven scum meta of mine that if I'm providing concrete thoughts and cases I'm scum, so no thanks I'm not gonna do that this game haha.

so why are you an asset to the town if this is how you play? What reason should you stay in the game for. You only make conrete thoughts and cases when you're scum, so you are basically a useless townie...

Gamestate without reading the game? Damn this is gonna be a hard one.

I'd say, selkie scum is wagoned, partnerbert and selkiescum are doing all they can to get a counterwagon going but it's not working well.
Then you have a bunch of other ppl who are useless/scum. Not sure which were the ones who called me scum or a good policy lynch/jester outside of fourtrouble, but that's a really bad assessment to be making if town (who the fuck just leaves it at

"oh this jester or policy lynch is good watch me say this as I do not look for scum"

).
Actually typing this post right now I really need to go back and look (or you can do it for me <3). But yeah I at least found my scum, there are too many who aren't even scumhunting and looking for easy wagons or leaving the backdoor open

if a katsuki-wagon pops up (those are probably your selkie scumbuddies)

.

closest thing you've done that resembles scum hunting. You basically are only saying that if selkies is scum, then bert is scum too.

Oh and lets not forget you basically saying anyone who votes for me is scum. I can't ever recall hearing of a pre-meditated omgus, thats almost impressive... almost

@Katsuki, any ETA for a catchup?

Probably never. (while I'd love to say maybe, it has never happened in the 3+ yrs I've been here so)

Is this how you typically play? Not making cases, putting pressure, or even reading the thread??

How does that work out for you?

I still am suspicious of selkies, and i realize the following two things:

1 - if i am suspicious of selkies, why vote for the same person as them?
- because i have been rethinking my initial selkies read for the last few days. In that time, katsuki has done less than nothing.

2 - If i am suspicious of selkies, why am i voting for someone that is also suspicious of selkies?

- because i don't get think katsuki's read is genuine. He even admitted that he wouldn't be making concrete cases, so at best his reads are gut instinct. It feels as if he is just agreeing with what a lot of people were saying at the time, that selkies was scummy.

UNVOTE: Selkies

VOTE: Katsuki

also not a fan of bert's self-hammer threat, but i understand the tactic. I just happen to disagree with it in this case.

Because I find scum.

Case-writing has never been a part of my playstyle, and is scummy (re: chamber's title). Selkie's push for me being scum early game was bullshit and ingenuine, and that is enough to make them scum. I mean I could continue scumhunting their posts and reading through a game that would probably make me repeatedly head-desk, or I could not waste my time wading through a marsh.

This isn't really one of those playerbases that I can easily influence anyways so I'm better off waiting until D3 or something before doing anything. It's my preferred playstyle and I've never been lynched for it.

[Idiotking]

Ha, no.

Vote Katsuki

Still working on my summary post, but I'm gonna go ahead and say no to intentional, blatant active-lurking.

[Katsuki]

I see you're still terrible at this game IK.

[Idiotking]

Didn't I get you lynched as a claimed cop once?

[Katsuki]

It's sad because I'm never gonna get lynched this game anyways.

[Katsuki]

Didn't I get you lynched as a claimed cop once?

lol I'm pretty sure this has never happened before, I've only one game with you.

[Katsuki]

skimmed iso

Unvote, Vote: Acronis

[Idiotking]

Ah, nevermind, it was as a vig. Still fun, though.

[The Goodfather]

skimmed iso

Unvote, Vote: Acronis

so i hope the more experienced players can answer me this question:

is it sketchy for katsuki to jump onto the biggest wagon not even minutes after his wagon became the 2nd largest?

That seems scummy to me

[Idiotking]

Also a general question to people who have played with Katsuki:

Does this fit Katsuki's MO? The one game we played together was Katsuki's first game on the site, and it was hilariously bad. I'm assuming she's improved since then, right? At least some?